91

Free Speech / Re: Fedora or Siduction - KEY differences? Pros / Cons ?

« Last post by devil on 2025/04/21, 19:38:04 »

First of all - if you'd want GNOME, Fedora would be the top option

Fedora is not a rolling release, the packages are not as recent as with siduction, let alone Arch. It is  "semi-rolling" at best. Fedora releases a new stable version approximately every six months, with each version supported and receiving updates for about 13 months. Within each release, Fedora provides continuous updates, including kernel, browser, and GNOME updates, but it avoids making breaking changes or major version upgrades to maintain stability during the lifecycle of that release. Major version upgrades and potentially breaking changes are reserved for the next Fedora release, not pushed continuously as in a true rolling release.

Fedora as the upstream project for Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is one of the thriving innovative motors of Linux. siduction can't compare with that in any way. We are a handful of people with jobs, that have been releasing Debian Sid for almost 20 years. We innovate on a small scale if we can. We introduce new ways of doing things early, like we did with systemd back in the day. Other things we find useful to our users are, among others, doas or nala. Lately offer snapshots with Snapper and Btrfs as file system. There is a chapter about that in our manual, should you be interested in that.

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by Penyelam on 2025/04/21, 14:06:04 »

Ich muss whistler_mb Recht geben. Auch bei mir zeigt sich ein unterschiedliches Verhalten:

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root@tuxedo:~# apt policy apt
apt:
  Installiert:           3.0.0
  Installationskandidat: 3.0.0
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 3.0.0 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
root@tuxedo:~# apt update && apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade
OK:1 https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial InRelease
OK:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease                                                                   
OK:3 https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/siduction/extra unstable InRelease                                                   
OK:4 https://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable InRelease                           
Aktualisierung für 20 Pakete verfügbar. Führen Sie »apt list --upgradable« aus, um sie anzuzeigen.
Keine Aktualisierung:                               
  accountwizard          akonadi-mime-data  akregator     kaddressbook-data  kalendarac  kdepim-addons   kdepim-themeeditors  kmail            korganizer     pim-data-exporter
  akonadi-contacts-data  akonadiconsole     kaddressbook  kalarm             kdepim      kdepim-runtime  kleopatra            konsolekalendar  mbox-importer  pim-sieve-editor

Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 0, Installation: 0, Entfernen: 0, nicht aktualisieren: 20
root@tuxedo:~# apt update && apt full-upgrade
OK:1 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease
OK:2 https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial InRelease                                                             
OK:3 https://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable InRelease                                                     
OK:4 https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/siduction/extra unstable InRelease
Aktualisierung für 20 Pakete verfügbar. Führen Sie »apt list --upgradable« aus, um sie anzuzeigen.
Die folgenden Pakete wurden automatisch installiert und werden nicht mehr benötigt:
  kactivities-bin                libkf5calendarcore5abi2           libkf5idletime5              libkf5mime5abi1                 libkf5purpose5                 libqca-qt5-2-plugins
  kpackagelauncherqml            libkf5calendarevents5             libkf5imap-data              libkf5newstuff-data             libkf5quickaddons5             libqgpgme15t64
  kpackagetool5                  libkf5calendarsupport-data        libkf5imap5                  libkf5newstuff5                 libkf5runner5                  libqt5keychain1
  kross                          libkf5calendarutils5              libkf5incidenceeditor-data   libkf5newstuffcore5             libkf5syndication5abi1         libqt5networkauth5
  libgrantlee-templates5         libkf5contacts-data               libkf5itemmodels5            libkf5newstuffwidgets5          libkf5syntaxhighlighting-data  libqt5script5
  libkf5activities5              libkf5contacts5                   libkf5kcmutils-bin           libkf5notifyconfig-data         libkf5syntaxhighlighting5      libqt5webenginewidgets5
  libkf5akonadi-data             libkf5dav-data                    libkf5kcmutils-data          libkf5notifyconfig5             libkf5threadweaver5            phonon4qt5
  libkf5akonadiagentbase5        libkf5dav5                        libkf5kcmutils5              libkf5package-data              libkf5tnef5                    plasma-framework
  libkf5akonadicore5abi2         libkf5declarative-data            libkf5kcmutilscore5          libkf5package5                  libkf5webengineviewer5abi1t64  qml-module-org-kde-bluezqt
  libkf5akonadinotes5            libkf5declarative5                libkf5kontactinterface-data  libkf5parts-data                libkgantt2                     qml-module-org-kde-kconfig
  libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2      libkf5dnssd-data                  libkf5kontactinterface5      libkf5parts5                    libkpimgapi-data               qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols
  libkf5akonadisearch-data       libkf5dnssd5                      libkf5krosscore5             libkf5pimcommon-data            libkpimgapicalendar5           qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons
  libkf5akonadisearchcore5t64    libkf5eventviews-data             libkf5krossui5               libkf5pimcommon5abi2            libkpimgapicontacts5           qml-module-org-kde-newstuff
  libkf5akonadisearchdebug5t64   libkf5grantleetheme-plugins       libkf5ldap-data              libkf5pimcommonautocorrection5  libkpimgapicore5abi1           qml-module-org-kde-prison
  libkf5akonadisearchpim5t64     libkf5grantleetheme5              libkf5ldap5abi1              libkf5pimtextedit-data          libkpimgapitasks5              qml-module-org-kde-purpose
  libkf5akonadisearchxapian5t64  libkf5gravatar-data               libkf5libkdepim-data         libkf5pimtextedit-plugins       libkpimpkpass5                 qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel
  libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1      libkf5gravatar5abi2               libkf5libkdepim-plugins      libkf5pimtextedit5abi2          libkpimsmtp5abi1               qml-module-org-kde-userfeedback
  libkf5akonadixml5              libkf5holidays-data               libkf5libkdepim5             libkf5plasma5                   libkuserfeedback-l10n          qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel
  libkf5attica5                  libkf5holidays5                   libkf5mailcommon-data        libkf5plasmaquick5              libkuserfeedbackcore1          qml-module-qt-labs-settings
  libkf5auth5                    libkf5i18nlocaledata5             libkf5mailimporter5          libkf5prison5                   libkuserfeedbackwidgets1       qml-module-qtquick-dialogs
  libkf5bluezqt-data             libkf5identitymanagement5         libkf5mbox5                  libkf5prisonscanner5            libpoppler140                  qml-module-qtquick-privatewidgets
  libkf5bluezqt6                 libkf5identitymanagementwidgets5  libkf5mime-data              libkf5purpose-bin               libqca-qt5-2
Verwenden Sie »apt autoremove«, um sie zu entfernen.

Aktualisierung:
  accountwizard          akonadi-mime-data  akregator     kaddressbook-data  kalendarac  kdepim-addons   kdepim-themeeditors  kmail            korganizer     pim-data-exporter
  akonadi-contacts-data  akonadiconsole     kaddressbook  kalarm             kdepim      kdepim-runtime  kleopatra            konsolekalendar  mbox-importer  pim-sieve-editor

Abhängigkeiten werden installiert:
  kmailtransport-plugins    libkf6dav6                        libkpim6akonadiagentbase6       libkpim6eventviews6                 libkpim6kmanagesieve6         libkpim6messagecore6            libkpim6textedit6
  libakonadicalendar-data   libkf6textautocorrectionwidgets1  libkpim6akonadicalendar6        libkpim6gapicalendar6               libkpim6ksieve6               libkpim6messagelist6            libkpim6tnef6
  libakonadisearch-bin      libkf6textgrammarcheck1           libkpim6akonadicontactcore6     libkpim6gapicore6                   libkpim6ksievecore6           libkpim6messageviewer6          libkpim6webengineviewer6
  libakonadisearch-data     libkf6texttranslator1             libkpim6akonadicontactwidgets6  libkpim6gapipeople6                 libkpim6ksieveui6             libkpim6mime6                   libkpimtextedit-data
  libakonadisearch-plugins  libkgantt-l10n                    libkpim6akonadimime6            libkpim6gapitasks6                  libkpim6ldapwidgets6          libkpim6mimetreeparser6         libksieve-data
  libcalendarsupport-data   libkgantt6-3                      libkpim6akonadisearchcore6      libkpim6gravatar6                   libkpim6libkleo6              libkpim6mimetreeparsercore6     libksmtp-data
  libeventviews-data        libkimap-data                     libkpim6akonadisearchdebug6     libkpim6identitymanagementcore6     libkpim6mailcommon6           libkpim6mimetreeparserwidgets6  libktnef-data
  libgravatar-data          libkitinerary-data                libkpim6akonadisearchpim6       libkpim6identitymanagementwidgets6  libkpim6mailimporter6         libkpim6pimcommonactivities6    libmailcommon-data
  libincidenceeditor-data   libkleo-data                      libkpim6akonadisearchxapian6    libkpim6imap6                       libkpim6mailimporterakonadi6  libkpim6pimcommonakonadi6       libmailimporter-data
  libkcalendarutils-data    libkmailtransport-data            libkpim6akonadixml6             libkpim6importwizard6               libkpim6mailtransport6        libkpim6pkpass6                 libmimetreeparser-data
  libkf6calendarcore6       libkmime-data                     libkpim6calendarsupport6        libkpim6incidenceeditor6            libkpim6mbox6                 libkpim6smtp6                   libqt6networkauth6
  libkf6dav-data            libkpim6addressbookimportexport6  libkpim6calendarutils6          libkpim6itinerary6                  libkpim6messagecomposer6      libkpim6templateparser6         messagelib-data

ENTFERNUNG:
  kde-config-mailtransport    libkf5akonadicalendar5abi1   libkf5calendarsupport5abi1  libkf5ksieve-data   libkf5mailcommon5abi2        libkf5messagecomposer5abi1t64  libkf5pimcommonakonadi5abi1      libkpimitinerary5
  kf5-messagelib-data         libkf5akonadicontact5        libkf5contacteditor5        libkf5ksieve5       libkf5mailimporterakonadi5   libkf5messagecore5abi1t64      libkf5templateparser5t64
  kmailtransport-akonadi      libkf5akonadimime5           libkf5eventviews5abi1       libkf5ksieveui5     libkf5mailtransport-data     libkf5messagelist5abi1t64      libkpimaddressbookimportexport5
  knotes                      libkf5akonadisearch-bin      libkf5incidenceeditor5abi1  libkf5libkleo-data  libkf5mailtransport5         libkf5messageviewer5abi1t64    libkpimimportwizard5
  libkf5akonadicalendar-data  libkf5akonadisearch-plugins  libkf5kmanagesieve5         libkf5libkleo5      libkf5mailtransportakonadi5  libkf5mimetreeparser5abi1t64   libkpimitinerary-data

Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 20, Installation: 84, Entfernen: 36, nicht aktualisieren: 0
  Herunterlade-Größe: 45,3 MB
  Benötigter Platz: 33,2 MB / 84,7 GB verfügbar

Fortfahren? [J/n]



93

Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by thomv on 2025/04/21, 13:00:31 »

My guess: your apt is not on version 3.0

With

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apt:
  Installiert:           3.0.0
  Installationskandidat: 3.0.0
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 3.0.0 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://debian.mur.at/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://ftp.cvut.cz/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://ftp.debian.sk/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
        500 https://debian.iskon.hr/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
I get

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root@thomas-tuxedopulse14gen1:~# apt full-upgrade -d
...
Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 282, Installation: 3, Entfernen: 0, nicht aktualisieren: 0
  Herunterlade-Größe: 684 MB
  Benötigter Platz: 488 MB / 25,7 GB verfügbar

root@thomas-tuxedopulse14gen1:~# apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade -d
...
Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 282, Installation: 3, Entfernen: 0, nicht aktualisieren: 0
  Herunterlade-Größe: 684 MB
  Benötigter Platz: 488 MB / 25,7 GB verfügbar
Did you check, which version of apt is on your system?

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by whistler_mb on 2025/04/20, 22:09:21 »

Here without --solver 3.0

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root@Tuxovo:~# apt full-upgrade -d
Das folgende Paket wurde automatisch installiert und wird nicht mehr benötigt:
  strongswan-swanctl
Verwenden Sie »apt autoremove«, um es zu entfernen.

Aktualisierung:
  arduino-builder     gir1.2-poppler-0.18         libcanberra-gstreamer      libkeduvocdocument-data     libspice-client-gtk-3.0-5      minuet-data                python-matplotlib-data  samba-libs
  bind9-dnsutils      gir1.2-spiceclientglib-2.0  libcanberra-gtk3-0         libkeduvocdocument5abi2     libtalloc2                     network-manager-l2tp       python3-decorator       samba-vfs-modules
  bind9-host          gir1.2-spiceclientgtk-3.0   libcanberra-gtk3-module    libldb2                     libtdb1                        passwd                     python3-matplotlib      sane-airscan
  bind9-libs          gnome-icon-theme            libcanberra-pulse          libnss-winbind              libtevent0t64                  polychromatic              python3-pkg-resources   skladnik
  ca-certificates     ipp-usb                     libcanberra0               libpam-winbind              libwbclient0                   polychromatic-cli          python3-pycurl          smbclient
  dragonplayer        kdegraphics-thumbnailers    libcdio19t64               libpoppler-cpp2             libwireplumber-0.5-0           polychromatic-common       python3-setuptools      spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper
  gdu                 konversation                libgegl-0.4-0t64           libpoppler-glib8t64         libxapian30                    polychromatic-controller   python3-setuptools-whl  spice-client-gtk
  gimp-help-common    konversation-data           libgegl-common             libpoppler-qt6-3t64         linux-headers-siduction-amd64  polychromatic-tray-applet  python3-xapian          tdb-tools
  gimp-help-de        kreversi                    libgpgme11t64              libpoppler147               linux-image-siduction-amd64    poppler-utils              samba                   winbind
  gimp-help-en        libaom3                     libgpgmepp6t64             libqgpgmeqt6-15             login.defs                     power-profiles-daemon      samba-common            wireplumber
  gir1.2-gegl-0.4     libaom3:i386                libgtksourceview-4-0       libsmbclient0               micro                          printer-driver-brlaser     samba-common-bin
  gir1.2-gtksource-4  libbusiness-isbn-perl       libgtksourceview-4-common  libspice-client-glib-2.0-8  minuet                         printer-driver-ptouch      samba-dsdb-modules

Abhängigkeiten werden installiert:
  linux-headers-6.14.3-1-siduction-amd64  linux-image-6.14.3-1-siduction-amd64  strongswan-charon  strongswan-starter

Vorgeschlagene Pakete:
  linux-doc-6.14

Keine Aktualisierung:
  dnsmasq  dnsmasq-base

ENTFERNUNG:
  charon-systemd  libiso9660-11t64  strongswan

Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 94, Installation: 4, Entfernen: 3, nicht aktualisieren: 2
  Herunterlade-Größe: 287 MB
  Benötigter Platz: 470 MB / 13,6 GB verfügbar

Fortfahren? [J/n] n
Abbruch.
Here with --solver 3.0

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root@Tuxovo:~# apt full-upgrade -d --solver 3.0
Aktualisierung:                                     
  arduino-builder     gir1.2-poppler-0.18         libcanberra-gstreamer      libkeduvocdocument5abi2     libtalloc2                     passwd                     python3-matplotlib      sane-airscan
  bind9-dnsutils      gir1.2-spiceclientglib-2.0  libcanberra-gtk3-0         libldb2                     libtdb1                        polychromatic              python3-pkg-resources   skladnik
  bind9-host          gir1.2-spiceclientgtk-3.0   libcanberra-gtk3-module    libnss-winbind              libtevent0t64                  polychromatic-cli          python3-pycurl          smbclient
  bind9-libs          gnome-icon-theme            libcanberra-pulse          libpam-winbind              libwbclient0                   polychromatic-common       python3-setuptools      spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper
  ca-certificates     ipp-usb                     libcanberra0               libpoppler-cpp2             libwireplumber-0.5-0           polychromatic-controller   python3-setuptools-whl  spice-client-gtk
  dragonplayer        kdegraphics-thumbnailers    libgegl-0.4-0t64           libpoppler-glib8t64         libxapian30                    polychromatic-tray-applet  python3-xapian          tdb-tools
  gdu                 konversation                libgegl-common             libpoppler-qt6-3t64         linux-headers-siduction-amd64  poppler-utils              samba                   winbind
  gimp-help-common    konversation-data           libgpgme11t64              libpoppler147               linux-image-siduction-amd64    power-profiles-daemon      samba-common            wireplumber
  gimp-help-de        kreversi                    libgpgmepp6t64             libqgpgmeqt6-15             login.defs                     printer-driver-brlaser     samba-common-bin
  gimp-help-en        libaom3                     libgtksourceview-4-0       libsmbclient0               micro                          printer-driver-ptouch      samba-dsdb-modules
  gir1.2-gegl-0.4     libaom3:i386                libgtksourceview-4-common  libspice-client-glib-2.0-8  minuet                         python-matplotlib-data     samba-libs
  gir1.2-gtksource-4  libbusiness-isbn-perl       libkeduvocdocument-data    libspice-client-gtk-3.0-5   minuet-data                    python3-decorator          samba-vfs-modules

Abhängigkeiten werden installiert:
  linux-headers-6.14.3-1-siduction-amd64  linux-image-6.14.3-1-siduction-amd64

Vorgeschlagene Pakete:
  linux-doc-6.14

Keine Aktualisierung:
  dnsmasq  dnsmasq-base  libcdio19t64  network-manager-l2tp

Zusammenfassung:
  Aktualisierung: 92, Installation: 2, Entfernen: 0, nicht aktualisieren: 4
  Herunterlade-Größe: 286 MB
  Benötigter Platz: 470 MB / 13,6 GB verfügbar

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Abbruch.

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by michaa7 on 2025/04/19, 21:33:44 »

...
Are you sure about that?
Without --solver 3.0 packages should be removed, with --solver 3.0 not.
...

Are you sure?

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APT 3.0 is powered by Solver3, https://news.itsfoss.com/apt-3-release/

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by micspabo on 2025/04/18, 14:23:17 »

Does this need to be configured somewhere?

No,- as long as you do regular Full Upgrades you should already be on apt version 3.0!

To check which version of apt you have on your system,- it just execute

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# apt policy apt


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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by whistler_mb on 2025/04/18, 12:02:32 »

IF the change has taken place is it still recommended to use the "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade" command?

No, you can now omit it; it will be used automatically. But you should still check what apt wants to do.

Are you sure about that?
Without --solver 3.0 packages should be removed, with --solver 3.0 not.

Does this need to be configured somewhere?

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by onepiece on 2025/04/17, 20:11:00 »

scholle1

Thank you very much for helping me to understand the nuances of Siduction.  It's quite exhilarating for a beginner like me to use an advanced linux distribution AND more importantly have the expertise that people like you provide in order to use Siduction safely and productively.

Thank you again!

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Installation - Support / Re: Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by scholle1 on 2025/04/17, 12:53:24 »

[...]Question - I understand the entire "apt" command universe is now...or soon will be on version "apt 3".  Has that change already taken place?

See "apt policy apt"

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apt policy apt
apt:
  Installiert:           3.0.0
  Installationskandidat: 3.0.0
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 3.0.0 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

IF the change has taken place is it still recommended to use the "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade" command?

No, you can now omit it; it will be used automatically. But you should still check what apt wants to do.

BTW is  "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade" specific for use in Siduction ONLY . . . or to any Debian fork?

No. It was recommended by us if apt wants to do things that seem suspicious. For example remove a lot of packages.
According to DistroWatch, Siduction is the only rolling release and desktop-oriented distribution based on Debian Sid.
See above, apt (Debian) uses it automatically.

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Installation - Support / Proper use of: "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"

« Last post by onepiece on 2025/04/17, 08:08:33 »

Hi Folks,

To solve a number of update/upgrade issues I had, months ago this forum advised me to use: 
"apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade"   instead of "apt upgrade" 
when doing periodice updates/upgrades.  It's been GREAT advice as I almost never have a upgrade issues/crashes/conflicts now.

Question - I understand the entire "apt" command universe is now...or soon will be on version "apt 3".  Has that change already taken place?  IF the change has taken place is it still recommended to use the "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade" command?

BTW is  "apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade" specific for use in Siduction ONLY . . . or to any Debian fork?

Thank you.