[EN] Question - More Seasoned Siduction User - KDE 6 Incoming?

[RunLevelZero]

I have been pushing off my full upgrade for a few weeks now and it seems things are calming as today I have 2 packages that want to be removed. kwayland-data and libkf5guiaddons-bin. I have many dependencies waiting to be installed. One of which is the version 6 of libkf6guiaddons-bin. I do not use wayland currently. So I am wondering if we are seeing KDE 6 incoming and is it safe for me to remove this one kde 5 library as kde is my main DE. Thank you all very much. Always appreciate the community here and the help and guidance provided. Here is my dependency list which probably doesn't matter.

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Installing dependencies:
  kded6               libkf6bluezqt6          libkf6config-data         libkf6dbusaddons-data  libkf6iconthemes-data  libkf6kcmutilsquick6      libkf6purpose-data     libkf6wallet6             libkirigamidialogs6     libqt6multimedia6                         qml6-module-org-kde-purpose
  kio6                libkf6breezeicons6      libkf6configcore6         libkf6dbusaddons6      libkf6iconthemes6      libkf6kiocore6            libkf6purpose6         libkf6walletbackend6      libkirigamilayouts6     libqt6quickcontrols2-6                    qml6-module-qtqml
  kwallet6            libkf6codecs-data       libkf6configgui6          libkf6doctools6        libkf6iconwidgets6     libkf6kiogui6             libkf6purposewidgets6  libkf6widgetsaddons-data  libkirigamiplatform6    libqt6quickshapes6                        qml6-module-qtquick
  kwayland5-data      libkf6codecs6           libkf6configwidgets-data  libkf6guiaddons-bin    libkf6itemviews-data   libkf6kiowidgets6         libkf6service-bin      libkf6widgetsaddons6      libkirigamiprimitives6  libqt6quicktemplates2-6                   qml6-module-qtquick-controls
  libkf6archive-data  libkf6colorscheme-data  libkf6configwidgets6      libkf6guiaddons-data   libkf6itemviews6       libkf6notifications-data  libkf6service-data     libkf6windowsystem-data   libkirigamiprivate6     qml6-module-org-kde-bluezqt               qml6-module-qtquick-dialogs
  libkf6archive6      libkf6colorscheme6      libkf6coreaddons-data     libkf6guiaddons6       libkf6jobwidgets-data  libkf6notifications6      libkf6service6         libkf6windowsystem6       libpolkit-qt6-1-1       qml6-module-org-kde-kcmutils              qml6-module-qtquick-layouts
  libkf6auth-data     libkf6completion-data   libkf6coreaddons6         libkf6i18n-data        libkf6jobwidgets6      libkf6prison6             libkf6solid-data       libkirigami-data          libqca-qt6-2            qml6-module-org-kde-kirigami              qml6-module-qtquick-shapes
  libkf6authcore6     libkf6completion6       libkf6crash6              libkf6i18n6            libkf6kcmutils-data    libkf6prisonscanner6      libkf6solid6           libkirigami6              libqca-qt6-plugins      qml6-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons  qml6-module-qtquick-templates
  libkf6bluezqt-data  libkf6config-bin        libkf6dbusaddons-bin      libkf6iconthemes-bin   libkf6kcmutilscore6    libkf6purpose-bin         libkf6wallet-data      libkirigamidelegates6     libqt6core5compat6      qml6-module-org-kde-prison                qml6-module-qtquick-tooling

[eriefisher]

I'm not a kde user but looking at your list both those packages are being replaced

kwayland5-data

[RunLevelZero]

I'm not a kde user but looking at your list both those packages are being replaced

kwayland5-data

Thanks. That is what I'm seeing but I don't trust myself lol. That's why I would like a more seasoned user to chime in so I can have a bit more confidence. I appreciate your reply though as it does help.

[eriefisher]

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apt depends kwayland5-data
kwayland5-data
  Breaks: kwayland-data
  Replaces: kwayland-data

[dibl]

You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:

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# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
  Installed: 6.5.0-2
  Candidate: 6.5.0-2
  Version table:
 *** 6.5.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
  Version table:
     4:5.115.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
  Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
  Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
  Version table:
 *** 4:5.27.11-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.

[RunLevelZero]

You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:

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# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
  Installed: 6.5.0-2
  Candidate: 6.5.0-2
  Version table:
 *** 6.5.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
  Version table:
     4:5.115.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
  Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
  Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
  Version table:
 *** 4:5.27.11-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.

Indeed. I should be clear I’m doing upgrades. Just not full upgrade.

[eriefisher]

You should only be doing full upgrades and often. I'm like dibl. Almost daily. Things can get out of hand quickly if you don't.

[RunLevelZero]

You should only be doing full upgrades and often. I'm like dibl. Almost daily. Things can get out of hand quickly if you don't.

I do. Usually once a week. I have not only because I don’t want to break something. I’m not sure that this removal will break something because it looks like a pretty important kde library and kde is what I use. I’m glad you guys appear to have not had issues when doing a full upgrade but I have so I’m cautious. I’ve been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don’t claim to be an expert so thus the question. I plan on doing a full upgrade within the next couple of days to get back in sync whether I feel confident or not. I’m just asking the question and hopefully will get a more specific answer. Thanks.

[dibl]

I’ve been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don’t claim to be an expert ...

LOL -- I've been using it for 15 years and I don't make any wild claims either!

Seriously, use

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apt full-upgrade (or the nala equivalent) once a week, at least, unless you see that there's a warning on this forum about a new package coming into Debian, or an incomplete transition of a series, like python or libqt6 or something, that is breaking things. In that case, you can use

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apt-upgrade for just as long as necessary until the problem is resolved -- usually only a day or a few days. As soon as the light turns green, go back to full-upgrade.

[RunLevelZero]

I’ve been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don’t claim to be an expert ...

LOL -- I've been using it for 15 years and I don't make any wild claims either!

Seriously, use

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apt full-upgrade (or the nala equivalent) once a week, at least, unless you see that there's a warning on this forum about a new package coming into Debian, or an incomplete transition of a series, like python or libqt6 or something, that is breaking things. In that case, you can use

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apt-upgrade for just as long as necessary until the problem is resolved -- usually only a day or a few days. As soon as the light turns green, go back to full-upgrade.

Thank you. I’ll pull the trigger. Last time I waited for the 64 bit transition and it paid off but this seems way way less impactful. Thanks to all who responded.

[RunLevelZero]

You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:

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# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
  Installed: 6.5.0-2
  Candidate: 6.5.0-2
  Version table:
 *** 6.5.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
  Version table:
     4:5.115.0-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
  Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
  Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
  Version table:
 *** 4:5.27.11-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.

Oh wow. I’ve been on my mobile all day. I totally missed the top part of this post. All I saw was….. "A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.

My response was totally off based off the info you provided. My apologies sir and thank you.

[eriefisher]

I totally missed the top part of this post

It was mentioned a couple times. Best thing is to full-upgrade/dist-upgrade at least a few times a week. You may see package replacements rather than a version upgrade like we see in your first post. Other times it can be complete transitions. These can be problematic until complete. Sometime you just have to ride it out. Usually problems are posted so if you do have an issue check there before proceeding. Always best to pay attention to what's going to happen before committing.

[RunLevelZero]

Ops. I forgot to come back and update. All is well here after the full upgrade. thanks to all.