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Title: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: Santa on 2014/05/24, 00:15:20
Hello,


yesterday I started to set up some stuff to port the kubuntu packaging of kde frameworks (it could be called KDE 5, but it doesn't have that name).


You can check the progress here:
https://gitorious.org/siduction-kde-kf5 (https://gitorious.org/siduction-kde-kf5)


There isn't any estimated time of arrival to siduction's kdenext. All I can say for now is that probably it won't be co-installable with your current kde sc 4 and it would be available as an optional "bleeding edge" thing only for the people willing to use it, so when it's somewhat useable you would have to add a line like this one to your sources.list:
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deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext kde-frameworks main


It won't be available in kdenext/unstable until it's mature enough.


Cheers.
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: orinoco on 2014/05/26, 09:00:31
Can you describe the planned transition from KDE 4 to KDE 5 in Siduction?

Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: dartex on 2014/07/18, 10:16:41
hi, is there any news now that kde5 has been released...? :)
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: belze on 2014/07/18, 11:54:33
@Santa: I didn't check out the source, i'm lazy and i know it. i would like to know if it will install in /usr or in /opt right now. I know kubuntu sets up both options (with different sources however).

Talking about siduction's strategy about KF5, shouldn't it be tied with Debian's strategy? I mean: I love Santa's work, but I would deeply prefer to see KDE on Debian in a better shape. I am not able to contribute directly (i filled some bugs report and that's all i did), so I won't complain. But I stress on this because with such massive transition we shoud focus on upgrade path from KDE4 > KF5 and I am wondering if a better solution could be working more with Debian's kde team, and I am saying this without knowing anything about the status of collaboration between Siduction and Debian-KDE-team, if any.

I love siduction because it is fully sid compatible (I tried solydk, tanglu and others, but siduction IS my OS choice!) and i fear to lose this assumption.

Anyway, Santa you (and all the siduction team, of course!) are true hero(es)!
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: devil on 2014/07/18, 23:35:57
Given that freeze happens in November, I doubt it that Jessie will have KF5. Our plans right now is to let the dust settle and ship kde 4.14 with our next release in August (hopefully). 4.14 will be a mixture of qt 4 and qt 5 apps. KF5 for siduction is planned for later in 2014.


greetz
devil
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: dartex on 2014/07/19, 10:43:51
Given that freeze happens in November, I doubt it that Jessie will have KF5. Our plans right now is to let the dust settle and ship kde 4.14 with our next release in August (hopefully). 4.14 will be a mixture of qt 4 and qt 5 apps. KF5 for siduction is planned for later in 2014.


greetz
devil

ok, that's for "normal" release.

but there is already an "extra" repo with kf5. will be there a sort of extra repo, something like the kde-next?
a way to have a stable and official release with kde 4, and an experimental and unsupported repo for who want to try kde 5?

;)

the repo il already there, I wanted to know if it'a updated, if there is a "roadmap", if it's quite usable or not yet...

thanks!
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: ralul on 2014/07/19, 16:13:54
Given that freeze happens in November, I doubt it that Jessie will have KF5. Our plans right now is to let the dust settle and ship kde 4.14 with our next release in August (hopefully). 4.14 will be a mixture of qt 4 and qt 5 apps. KF5 for siduction is planned for later in 2014.
Is this true? There will be
- Kde4 providing qt5-Apps
- kf5 providing kde4
?? I lost track of all the numbers and new naming ...
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: devil on 2014/07/19, 21:52:49
Wrote this a couple days ago: https://www.computerbase.de/2014-07/kde-sc-4-wird-mit-version-4.14-im-august-abgeschlossen/ (sorry, it's in DE)
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: ralul on 2014/07/19, 23:52:05
Wrote this a couple days ago: https://www.computerbase.de/2014-07/kde-sc-4-wird-mit-version-4.14-im-august-abgeschlossen/ (sorry, it's in DE)
„KDE Applications 14.12“ in your article:
Does it mean kde-4.14-December Release or kde-4/5.14-December ?
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: devil on 2014/07/20, 01:04:39
KDE Applications 14.12 will be a mixture of qt 4 and qt 5 based applications, KDE 4.14 will be qt 4 only.



greetz
devil
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: Santa on 2014/07/24, 23:54:10
Hi,


there is a very unmature version of KDE Frameworks and Plasma 5 packaging based on Kubuntu's packaging, where I have been working as a volunteer the latest few weeks. Regarding the gitorious repositories, the latest packaging code wasn't pushed there yet, perhaps I will disconiue them, since I'm not sure yet if it's worth it having git repos for siduction (given the changes are very small compared with kubuntu's packaging), in any case you can follow my activities in kubuntu here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+merges
and the general activity of kubuntu's frameworks and plasma 5 packaging here:
https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-packaging-next


You have here instructions to install Plasma 5, please read them carefully:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=4793.msg39612#msg39612
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: filhocf on 2014/10/23, 14:38:35
I'm using Plasma 5 adding others repos from kdeframework. I think that is a good idea update this topic because, IMHO, the siduction repo os better that a ppa in lauchpad. Do you have some idea or plan to update siduction to KDE 5.1? Thank you by your great job and support. Bests, Claudio
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: piper on 2014/10/24, 10:29:39
Your probably not getting any replies because of 2 major factors

1. Adding others repos

2. Mentioning ppa (assuming mixing)

Both are unsupported and kills rats in lab tests, so, basically your on your own.
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: filhocf on 2014/10/24, 13:24:28
Make sense.

Still, i'm not use ppa and have only unstable/experimental from debian and siduction.

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# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-multimedia unstable main non-free

# Desktop KDE Next
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/ unstable main
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext kde-frameworks main

# Desktop LXQt
deb http://packages.siduction.org/lxqt unstable main

# Apache OpenOffice
deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/apacheoo-deb/debian testing main
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: filhocf on 2014/10/24, 13:41:50
Humm... taking a look in the repository, i saw that the kdeframework-exp[1] is the repository updated in 16/sep, but i'm not sure if is the best place to use.

Maybe someone from siduction can help in this questions. Someone?

[1]http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/dists/kde-frameworks-exp/main/binary-amd64/
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: dibl on 2014/10/24, 18:20:09
As far as I can tell from the KDE 5 VM that I made a couple months ago on siduction December nox, the KDE 5 packages are not presently installable.  (The VM broke some weeks ago and presently won't log the user in.) The kde-full package fails due to plasma-full not being installable, and other dependency problems.  So, I don't think the KDE 5 system presently in the kdeframeworks-exp repo is actually installable at this time.
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: filhocf on 2014/10/24, 18:42:24
Thank you by your reply, Dibl.

Is true the dependences problem, basicly about packages qtbase-abi-5-3-1 and qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0. What i did was use 'equivs' to build this two fake pcks and install the plasma-dekstop.

Explain what i did:
# apt-get install equivs
# equivs-control qtbase-abi-5-3-1
# equivs-build qtbase-abi-5-3-1
# equivs-control qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0
# equivs-build qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0
# dpkg -i qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0_1.0.0.deb qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0_1.0.0.deb
# aptitude install plasma-desktop=4:5.0.1-siduction1.1

Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: dibl on 2014/10/24, 21:41:54
I never knew anything about equivs -- you are way over my head with that process.  For fun, I installed equivs and tried your commands on my VM, and crashed and burned with the "equivs-build qtbase-abi-5-3-1".  From the error messages, there are obviously a few more things to know about when using equivs.  But it looks interesting.


EDIT:  OK, read about editing the config file to show the package name, and then it works as you said.  I installed both the plasma-desktop and the kde-full packages, and lightdm now logs me in as expected/hoped for.  Probably not the most rugged KDE system on earth, but not bad for playing around and doing experiments.


Thanks filhocf!
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: Santa on 2014/10/27, 13:54:09

Humm... taking a look in the repository, i saw that the kdeframework-exp[1] is the repository updated in 16/sep, but i'm not sure if is the best place to use.

Maybe someone from siduction can help in this questions. Someone?

[1]http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/dists/kde-frameworks-exp/main/binary-amd64/


You should not use that repository under any circumstance, also any kind of problem reporting using packages from there is invalid and going to be ignored.

[snip]
Is true the dependences problem, basicly about packages qtbase-abi-5-3-1 and qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0. What i did was use 'equivs' to build this two fake pcks and install the plasma-dekstop.

Explain what i did:
[snip]


No hard feelings, but...


... if some packages depend on qtbase-abi-5-3-1, they depend on that package for a reason. Fooling apt like that is like putting a sticker in a "low fuel" indicator in order to "fix the problem".

What you have posted is a good recipe to break your system, may lead to random crashes - so I might waste my time investigating fake problems - and therefore I would appreciate if you don't mislead other users into thinking that that's a solution to the problem.

The real solution is fixing the packages, in this case it will mean a rebuild of the affected packages, probably I will fix this as soon as I have time to update the kde frameworks packages to their latest released versions.
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: filhocf on 2014/10/28, 00:49:55
Hi Santa

Really i'm sorry if i gave a mistake idea of "recipe". I'm only a curious user that try to probe new things, mainly in KDE, but with one of foot inside of Debian. I tried to install and understand your work without worry to you or any other from siduction team. I use Siduction sinse i discovered the kdenext and loved your work as a pure blend from Debian, including your distribution in my infographic[1] thanks my consideration by your distro.
[1]http://cfnarede.com.br/infographic-of-debian

Anyway, my sincere apologies for you, the team and the users/readers.

Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: GoinEasy9 on 2014/10/28, 02:47:53
I very much like your infographic of Debian.  I especially like the high resolution that allows one to zoom in.  Thank you for including the link.

BTW - Many of us are used to experimentation, and, we know the consequences of doing things without asking questions first.  Welcome to the forum.  I guess now you're "one of us".  Heh.
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: Mte90 on 2014/12/10, 13:26:40
any news about this release?
is usable?
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: Mte90 on 2015/02/19, 14:51:26
any news?
Title: Re: KDE frameworks (kind of KDE 5) packaging started
Post by: hendrikL on 2015/02/19, 18:01:23
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5354.0