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Offline WetGeek

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[EN] Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« on: 2023/03/15, 21:18:29 »
On a laptop based on a different OS, I created a Siduction VM.  It's using KDE Plasma, and has been cleanly installed, system settings updated, and a full apt update completed.  An annoying issue is that cursors are being selected that are totally inappropriate for the task at hand.  This seems to imply to me (as a retired software engineer) that constants used in sources are out of sync with the cursors libraries.  Perhaps a header file is in error, depending on the language being used.

Annoying may be understating the problem.  This makes it very difficult to carry out various tasks, as it's difficult to know where the "hot spot" is for the cursor in use when it's not an arrow.  From the System Settings, I've changed the cursors setting three times, and the problem exists for all of them, so it's not likely to be a theme issue.

I realize this may not be a Seduction problem, but it doesn't happen with other VMs created the same way on the same host.

Offline eriefisher

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #1 on: 2023/03/15, 23:01:26 »
I hope you mean a full-upgrade or dist-upgrade??

Offline WetGeek

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #2 on: 2023/03/15, 23:08:14 »
I hope you mean a full-upgrade or dist-upgrade??
I meant "apt update" followed by "apt upgrade," since nala hadn't been installed at that point.  As I remember it, some 60+ packages were upgraded.  In other words, it was up-to-date as of yesterday.

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #3 on: 2023/03/15, 23:48:22 »
You should be using
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apt update
apt dist-upgrade
or
apt full-upgrade
Otherwise you'll be missing things.

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #4 on: 2023/03/15, 23:54:00 »
The important thing of interest would be, which virtualisation is used?
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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #5 on: 2023/03/15, 23:57:04 »
You should be using
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apt update
apt dist-upgrade
or
apt full-upgrade
Otherwise you'll be missing things.
Apt isn't my native language, and I didn't realize there's a difference.  Which one is the default?  I just used "apt upgrade" after the update, and that's always done what I've needed, so I've not looked any farther into it.

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #6 on: 2023/03/15, 23:59:11 »
The important thing of interest would be, which virtualisation is used?

Oracle VirtualBox 7.0.

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #7 on: 2023/03/16, 01:24:32 »
You should be using
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apt update
apt dist-upgrade
or
apt full-upgrade
Otherwise you'll be missing things.

I started the VM again, and before I did anything there, I got a notification that there were upgrades available.  This time I did an apt update followed by apt full-upgrade.  These are the results.  After this upgrade, the cursors appear to be working normally in areas where they were troublesome before.  I'm replying now from the VM.

I didn't have time right now to do extensive testing, but as I continue to work with this VM, if I find that it's still an issue, I'll append this thread.  Thanks.


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[font=monospace][color=#ff5454][b]root[/b][/color][color=#000000]@vm-siduction:/home/jerry# apt update -y [/color]
Hit:1 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease
Ign:2 https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb stable InRelease
Hit:3 https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb stable Release
Hit:5 https://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable InRelease
Hit:6 https://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[color=#ff5454][b]root[/b][/color][color=#000000]@vm-siduction:/home/jerry# apt full-upgrade [/color]
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  bind9-dnsutils bind9-host bind9-libs dnsutils
4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,359 kB of archives.
After this operation, 8,192 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 bind9-host amd64 1:9.18.13-1 [299 kB]
Get:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 bind9-dnsutils amd64 1:9.18.13-1 [398 kB]
Get:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 bind9-libs amd64 1:9.18.13-1 [1,407 kB]
Get:4 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 dnsutils all 1:9.18.13-1 [256 kB]
Fetched 2,359 kB in 0s (7,991 kB/s)
(Reading database ... 295337 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../bind9-host_1%3a9.18.13-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking bind9-host (1:9.18.13-1) over (1:9.18.12-1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../bind9-dnsutils_1%3a9.18.13-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking bind9-dnsutils (1:9.18.13-1) over (1:9.18.12-1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../bind9-libs_1%3a9.18.13-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking bind9-libs:amd64 (1:9.18.13-1) over (1:9.18.12-1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../dnsutils_1%3a9.18.13-1_all.deb ...
Unpacking dnsutils (1:9.18.13-1) over (1:9.18.12-1) ...
Setting up bind9-libs:amd64 (1:9.18.13-1) ...
Setting up bind9-host (1:9.18.13-1) ...
Setting up bind9-dnsutils (1:9.18.13-1) ...
Setting up dnsutils (1:9.18.13-1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.36-8) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.11.2-2) ...
Scanning processes...
Scanning processor microcode...
Scanning linux images...
 
Running kernel seems to be up-to-date.
 
Failed to check for processor microcode upgrades.
 
No services need to be restarted.
 
No containers need to be restarted.
 
No user sessions are running outdated binaries.
 
No VM guests are running outdated hypervisor (qemu) binaries on this host.[/font]

Offline WetGeek

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #8 on: 2023/03/16, 16:14:24 »
Last night my first impression was that things were working better after the upgrade I'd just done, although I couldn't really imagine why upgrading those four particular packages would affect cursors operation.  It turns out, there was no fix.

This morning, I tried to install and configure Thunderbird on that VM, and as I did, many more instances of inappropriate cursors became apparent.  Here's just one example:



That resizing cursor is nowhere near a border in this listing of emails, and it illustrates the problem that still occurs in many different areas.  Overall, installing Thunderbird and configuring two email accounts was very difficult because of this.

I'm no longer interested in having this VM on that laptop.  It's simply not essential, nor has this been very enjoyable.  Unless others here are affected by it, please don't spend any more time on it on my behalf. 

Siduction Linux is working fine on two other laptops here (not VMs), one of which is my wife's.  (She loves the wallpaper images that are available with Siduction, and doesn't want to experiment with any other distros.)  

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #9 on: 2023/03/18, 07:54:31 »
Difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (important for debian sid/siduction):
https://itsfoss.com/apt-get-upgrade-vs-dist-upgrade/

With nala on the other hand,
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sudo nala upgradeperforms a
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sudo apt dist-upgradesince the tool was written for sid anyways.

Offline WetGeek

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #10 on: 2023/03/18, 16:04:21 »
Thank you!  I can't think of a reason I'd ever want to do an apt upgrade, unless a newer default kernel has shown that it's incompatible with my system, and needed to be avoided.  That's never been an issue for me, and probably never will.  I'll make sure that I always use dist-upgrade on apt-based systems where nala isn't available.  Lesson learned!

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #11 on: 2023/03/18, 16:56:23 »
There are a few days in the year when you should keep your eyes open. Always read the output of dist-upgrade! For example, if hundreds of packages are to be removed, it is not a good idea to do a full-upgrade. Such a situation may occur, for example, during a Perl transition. In this case, it may make sense to perform only an apt upgrade for the duration of the transition.
Therefore, always consult the warnings here in the form.

edlin





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Offline WetGeek

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #12 on: 2023/03/18, 21:53:27 »
Thanks for your comment.  I'm rather slowly turning into more of an apt expert, thanks to this forum!

Offline Sir_Aim

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #13 on: 2023/03/25, 21:16:27 »
I do have the same Issue (wrong Cursors) in VirtualBox 7 on a Win10 Host. Guest Additions are installed.
It was not an issue in the siduction live boot, but in the installed system.

Does anyone have a clue what might have changed during the installation?

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Re: Cursor issues on a Siduction VM
« Reply #14 on: 2023/03/25, 21:21:12 »
Is it possible there is a conflict between KDE setting and Galternatives(update-alternatives)?