[closed] Large GCC-5 TRANSITION, Heavy DIST-UPGRADE pending

[michaa7]

I did a d-u on my *experimental* system with IDGAS desktop. Nearly a GB of new packages, 54 packages removed. All went well. This system is running without problems AFAICS.

What's keeping me from updating my default system is digikam/showphoto being removed (announced by apt).

[mylo]

Hi michaaa7,

that sounds good. If digikam were all (I think, that can be reinstalled some days later if required), then days come where the d-u can be riked/done/tried.
Or do we get a release signal here for all to d-u?
I have menawhile some effects on my box, I hope to get rid off with the d-u.

[michaa7]

I don't have an ordinary desktop and I don't recomment a d-u for your default and only system. Read what others say like devil about KDE/plasma. Everyone goes ahead at his own risk. So if you feel it is a risk, wait.

[clubex]

On my KDE machine and using kdenext repository the following

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plasma-dataengines-workspace and plasma-widgets-workspace
will be the only packages removed.

As plasma-dataengines-addons and plasma-widgets-addons are to be upgraded I suppose plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace will be next or very soon.

Personally I will not du until these two are upgradable.

[dibl]

As plasma-dataengines-addons and plasma-widgets-addons are to be upgraded I suppose plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace will be next or very soon.

There is no plasma-widgets-workspace package in sid at the moment -- the only one is in kdenext, and it has hard dependency on the versions of plasma-data-engines and libplasmaclock4abi4 that are also in kdenext.  In sid we have newer versions of plasma-dataengines-workspace and libplasmaclock4abi4 packages.


With kdenext repo disabled, I ran d-u and let plasma-widgets-workspace get removed on two KDE/KF5 systems -- a desktop and a laptop -- and I don't see any damage.  I'm not a huge widgets user, however -- maybe it causes a problem for someone.

[piper]

Without kde-next

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded

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plasma-dataengines-addons:
  Installed: 4:5.4.1-1
  Candidate: 4:5.4.1-1

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plasma-widgets-addons:
  Installed: 4:5.4.1-1
  Candidate: 4:5.4.1-1

[clubex]

didl:
I was led to believe that plasma-wigets-workspace was essential to the plasma desktop.
To quote:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/plasma-widgets-workspace

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This package contains standard Plasma widgets and containments shipped in the KDE base workspace module. They provide such basic desktop functionality as the panel, task manager, application laucher, clock and more. The default KDE Workspace is a combination of these visual components.

I wouldn't want to be without the panel, the task manager or the app launcher..

[dibl]

No @clubex that is an older version even than the version in kdenext.  I can say for sure it is not essential -- I am looking at a kde-plasma-desktop with fully functional panel, kwin-X11, krunner, etc.

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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy plasma-widgets-workspace 
plasma-widgets-workspace:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-2 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status                                                                                                     
root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy kde-standard             
kde-standard:
  Installed: 5:90
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
 *** 5:90 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy kde-plasma-desktop       
kde-plasma-desktop:
  Installed: 5:90
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
 *** 5:90 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy kwin-x11
kwin-x11:
  Installed: 4:5.4.1-1
  Candidate: 4:5.4.1-1
  Version table:
 *** 4:5.4.1-1 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

[clubex]

Thanks dibl for pointing that out to me. I went through with the du and indeed found no problems.
 

[piper]

You don't need kde-standard/kde-full either to have a fully functional kde-plasma-desktop 


Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.4.1

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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-standard
kde-standard:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
     5:90 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-full
kde-full:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
     5:90 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$

[jaegermeister]

Hello, this is a today's update on my machine (not du'd since last half July), to be REMOVED items list is further shrinking:

cheese coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcoinmp1 coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 digikam digikam-private-libs dvdwizard gimp gimp-gap gimp-gutenprint gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize gimp-ufraw gnome-video-effects gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kde-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-bin kipi-plugins klipper libatkmm-1.6-1 libav-tools libbinio1ldbl libboost-date-time1.55.0 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcheese-gtk23 libcheese7 libclucene-contribs1 libclucene-core1 libcmis-0.5-5 libcrypto++9 libcwidget3 libebml4 libept1.4.12 libffmpegthumbnailer4 libflac++6 libgconfmm-2.6-1c2 libgegl-0.2-0 libglademm-2.4-1c2a libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgltf-0.0-0 libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-1c2a libgpgme++2 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-3.0-1 libid3-3.8.3c2a libilmbase6 libkolab0 libkolabxml1 libkyotocabinet16 libllvm3.5 libllvm3.5:i386 libmatroska6 libmsn0.3 libopenexr6 liborcus-0.10-0 libpangomm-1.4-1 libpcrecpp0 libpodofo0.9.0 libprojectm2 libprotobuf-lite9 libproxy1 libqalculate5 libqpdf13 librlog5 libsearchclient0 libsidplay1 libsidplayfp3 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigihtmlgui0 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a libtinyxml2.6.2 libvamp-hostsdk3 libvamp-sdk2 libwxbase3.0-0 libwxgtk3.0-0 libxapian22 lxdvdrip miro pitivi plasma-desktopthemes-artwork plasma-widgets-workspace tribler

It's mostly about libraries. I have updated manually just some CLI utilities and nothing more. Still two things stop me from proceeeding:

1. KDE base files "kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kde-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-bin" getting wiped away

2. digikam, which I currently use, even if it's some months that it's getting me nuts by not recognizing anymore my Canon S100 which previously did...

Any feedback on these?
THX

[dibl]

Plasma-desktop 5:90 (for amd64 and i386) does not depend on kde-workspace.  After d-u the other day, kde-workspace is no longer installable on my systems, but the kde-plasma-desktop works anyway.


Digikam is not installable, however.

[piper]

For digikam, your going to have to wait

As for those KDE base files you list ...

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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace
kde-workspace:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin
kde-workspace-bin:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace-data
kde-workspace-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0                                                                                                                           
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages                                                                 
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin
kdebase-workspace-bin:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$
Not needed.

If you do a apt-cache search kf5 you can get a general idea on what has changed and what you need.

I will delete your other post if you would like

[jaegermeister]

For digikam, your going to have to wait

As for those KDE base files you list ...

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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace
kde-workspace:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin
kde-workspace-bin:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace-data
kde-workspace-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0                                                                                                                           
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages                                                                 
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin
kdebase-workspace-bin:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.11.22-3
  Version table:
     4:4.11.22-3 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
piper@x1:~$
Not needed.

If you do a apt-cache search kf5 you can get a general idea on what has changed and what you need.

I will delete your other post if you would like

Yes, you can delete it.
As for KDE5, that query outputs countless libkf5*, some plasma* and baloo4. I cannot yet understand how kde base/meta packages (if they're already available) would be named. Do you have a working KDE5 environment on your screen?

[jaegermeister]

Plasma-desktop 5:90 (for amd64 and i386) does not depend on kde-workspace.  After d-u the other day, kde-workspace is no longer installable on my systems, but the kde-plasma-desktop works anyway.


Digikam is not installable, however.

So is "plasma-desktop" the package that drives the whole story?