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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: Santa on 2015/06/09, 23:47:48
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There is a new batch of updates in kdenext/kde-frameworks. Installation intructions are available here:
https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction (https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction)
The software updated in kdenext/kde-frameworks is the following:
Qt libraries: 5.4.1
KDE Frameworks: 5.10.0
Plasma: 5.3.1
KDE Applications: 15.04.2
As allways, let me know about the issues, but I don't promise to fix them all ;)
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Hello @Santa,
first I hope that everything wents fine with your exam.
Thanks a lot for providing newest kf5 and plasma stuff in siduction. I'll try it soon.
In Manjaro and opensuse tumbleweed I've noticed, that kinit5 crashes if trying to modify special window settings. If happens also in siduction, I'll report it here.
Kind regards,
Holger
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I tried doing the upgrade on a spare laptop - an HP G72. Not good. There is now nothing available on the desktop. I moved my .kde, .config and .local, but still just had a background on the screen, no toolbar, no response to right click. I could get the runner up with Alt-F2, but as soon as I typed anything into it, it crashed.
I'll run dist-upgrade on it over the next few weeks and see if anything comes back. It's definitely something to beware of at this stage.
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Hello @Pip,
I've tried two different successful ways for getting kf5 stuff.
First way:
- installing a minimal siduction nox as basic system
- making dist-upgrade (repair dbus issue with dpkg manually)
- then adding sources for kf5 stuff and going on as described here: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction (https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction)
Second way:
- taking an actual fuill siduction KDE installation with additional kde stuff
- then adding sources for kf5 stuff and going on as described here: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction (https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction)
I did it when plasma 5.2 was actual in kdenext. Perhaps your issues have to do with new plasma 5.3 and new kf5 stuff.
I'll test new plasma and kf5 soon, and will report the result.
If you need further help, please ask here.
Kind regards,
Holger
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The dist-upgrade was successful here, no issues at all.
greetz
devil
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I followed the instructions, doing the two dist-upgrades on an existing siduction installation. As I said, though, it's on a spare computer, so it's no biggie that it's not working at the moment, just something to contrast to other people's experience: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, this is, after all, not recommended yet as a safe release for siduction. It might work in a little while if I do more dist-upgrades. I'll let you know.
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My CPU is very high. Why is that?
Kann deutschn besser:
Nach Update auf KDF5 steigt die CPU-Last beständig. Plasma-shell scheint der Übeltäter zu sein. Muss dann ständig X neustarten. Die ganzen Effekte hab ich schon abgeschaltet, neuen Home-Ordner angelegt, keine Miniprogramme. Und trotzdem wird es sehr heiss und der Lüfter läuft dann permanent.
Muss ich irgendwas vom alten KDE entfernen, das sich da was beisst oder hat jemand ne andere Idee?
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I tried doing the upgrade on a spare laptop - an HP G72. Not good. There is now nothing available on the desktop. I moved my .kde, .config and .local, but still just had a background on the screen, no toolbar, no response to right click. I could get the runner up with Alt-F2, but as soon as I typed anything into it, it crashed.
I'll run dist-upgrade on it over the next few weeks and see if anything comes back. It's definitely something to beware of at this stage.
This seems like something which only happens to you. Please inspect your .xsession-errors file to get a hint of what's wrong.
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My xsession-file:
http://pastebin.com/pwTmQP8D
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My xsession-file:
http://pastebin.com/pwTmQP8D (http://pastebin.com/pwTmQP8D)
Note that my previous message was a reply to Pip, not you. I don't know what's your problem nor if inspecting that file would help, because I don't speak german, explain it in english please.
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google-translate:
After updating to KDF5 the CPU load increases steadily. Plasma shell seems to be the culprit. Must be constantly restarting X. All the effects I've already turned off, created new home folder, no applets. And yet it is very hot and the fan then runs continuously.
Do I have something removed from the old KDE, because what bites or someone has ne other idea?
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I took a quick look at .xsession-errors but couldn't find anything obvious. But it was, as I say, a quick look.
I quite agree that I'm the only person who has reported a problem, but I'm afraid I no longer consider myself to be one of a kind, so I maintain the friendly warning that things can go wrong, though the balance of probability is that they won't. But those who download items off the safe and secure path already laugh in the face of death, so that's no real worry.
Thanks for letting me play with the new toys.
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Pip, if it is any consolation I just did the update following the guidance procedures and crashed my working Plasma desktop. Now all i get is a black screen and a bug report request, which I have not submitted yet as I still need to look around to see if I did something incorrectly. :(
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Hello,
there is something wrong with new kf5 stuff.
I've installed siduction lxde, have made a complete actualisation.
Then I've added kdenext unstable and have made a dist-upgrade
Then I've added kdenext kf5 source and have installed fresh kf5 and plasma stuff, plasma-dersktop, kde-l10n-de, sddm, breeze.
I've done a systermctl enable sddm -f and restart.
This should presents me sddm login, but I get a white screen without possibility to login.
sddm theme breeze is installed.
A startx works but then I enter lx session.
Kind regards,
Holger
P.S.: I've installed further stuff like kde-standard. Now I have sddm login, but when choosing plasma and trying to login, the start procedere hangs and then I get rests of lx session.
kwin is installed, plasma-desktop is installed. Have I install another meta-package for kf5?
Kind regards,
Holger
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Hello,
there is something wrong with new kf5 stuff.
Well, your case seems more like a problem with sddm, don't you think?
Then I've added kdenext kf5 source and have installed fresh kf5 and plasma stuff, plasma-dersktop, kde-l10n-de, sddm, breeze.
Could you please give me a list as more accurate as possible of the list of packages you have installed?
You can check /var/log/apt/history.log* if you don't remember well. This way I could try to reproduce your problem and find out if it's a problem for everyone and/or if it's a packaging problem.
A startx works but then I enter lx session.
Theory:
Because you have the lxde thing configured as the default. This is controlled by the x-session-manager alternative. You can read more about the debian alternatives system here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives
Practice:
If I'm not mistaken...
You can list the alternatives for x-session-manager this way:
update-alternatives --list x-session-managerAnd you can set it to the kde thing this way:
update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde
Let me know if you are able to start with startx after doing that; this way we will know if it's just a problem with sddm or a problem with everything.
Thank you very much to all of you for testing.
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I tried doing the upgrade on a spare laptop - an HP G72. Not good. There is now nothing available on the desktop. I moved my .kde, .config and .local, but still just had a background on the screen, no toolbar, no response to right click. I could get the runner up with Alt-F2, but as soon as I typed anything into it, it crashed.
I'll run dist-upgrade on it over the next few weeks and see if anything comes back. It's definitely something to beware of at this stage.
I've done an install of "KDE frameworks 5.10.0 + Plasma 5.3.1 + Apps 15.04.2" in a virtual machine and end up with the same result as Pip - just had a background on the screen, no toolbar, no response to right click etc.
I started with a fully updated siduction KDE install. Before following the posted upgrade steps, I removed all widgets and reverted theme, style, icons etc back to oxygen. Wasn't sure if the system was still expected to work with lightdm, or not, but I left that inplace.
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Hello Santa,
I've installed further stuff like kde-standard. Now I have sddm login, but when choosing plasma and trying to login, the start procedere hangs and then I get rests of lx session.
kwin is installed, plasma-desktop is installed. Have I install another meta-package for kf5?
To your questions:
update-alternatives --list x-session-manager shows me icewm and startkde
Then I've done update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkdeBut after restating sddm and trying to login I get plank panel.
After removeing plank package and a new login I get a crash dialog of kinit5.
Now I'll try to remove .kde directory and a new login.
Kind regards,
Holger
P.S.: Removing .kde directory does not help. A login ends with sddm breeze screen and a mouse cursor. Then I chose icewm, a login is possible, icwm starts but then I also get a crash dialog from kinit5.
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Hi,
kf5 seems not usable when adding it to a lxde siduction installation. With old kf5 and plasma5.2 stuff this was possible without any trouble.
system is up-to-date
Metapackage plasma-desktop is installed, kwin, sddm, breeze and further stuff is installed, this should be enough to get a working kf5 session.
But I only get a crash dialog of kinit5.
Login lxsession, openbox or icewm works, so it has not to do with wrong xserver configuration.
And it also has not to do with kf5 code, because manjaro and antergos give me a current kf5 and plasma 5.3.1, with is working without any trouble, apart from a bug, when trying to modify special window settings.
My next try will start with an up-to-date siduction kde4 installation. I'll report here.
Kind regards,
Holger
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Hello,
I've made another test.
1. Installing siduction indian summer KDE 64 bit
2. making dist-upgrade
3. restarting and adding kdenext unstable, making further dist-upgrade
4. adding kdenext kf5 and making further dist-upgrade
5. replacing lightdm with sddm
6. systemctl stop lightdm && systemctl start sddm
7. trying to login
8. only get sddm splash with mouse cursor
Metapackage plasma-desktop is installed, so I've no further idea, what could be wrong here.
Santa, if you need further info, please let me know.
Kind regards,
Holger
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In my case I log-in to Plasma and get a crash with a bug report in which I ran (gdb) and got a clean 40 plus entries. The last line reported by (gdb) was "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kpackagestructure/plasma-packagestructure_plamsashell.so" with "0x00007fa5d095d6fd in nanosleep () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (gdb)". Though I am new to having problems I will continue to look deeper into what I may have done by mistake in causing this problem after my last dist-upgrade, will advise if I find anything.
Regards,
Tom
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Hello guys,
due to messages you posted (specially holger's about installing plasma 5 on siduction lxde) I have tested the following: installing kde-standard In a virtual machine with siduction noX december. I had the following issues:
1. I had to install virtualbox-guest-x11 and virtualbox-guest-dkms, otherwise the X server crashes
2. After installing the virtualbox guest additions via the packages mentioned in 1. I tried to start a kde session with startx and I got the nice kde splash screen, then kdeinit crashing and a black screen.
I also noticed 2. is "fixed" when you install kde-full with the recommends enabled; that's the setup I use to test the dist-upgrades, hence why the problem went under the radar.
That being said, summary of the issues reported so far:
- Pip got his desktop empty and kruner crashing.
- tmhind2 got his desktop crashed and a black screen.
- holgerw couldn't make plasma 5 work on top of lxde.
- holgerw upgraded from an indiansummer kde installation,but plasma 5 doesn't start
- reddark got ¿plasma-shell? eating the 100% of the cpu
I think the last one is an upstream issue and all the other ones just the issue I have described in the point 2. above.
Last but not least, a fix for the black screen is on the way, stay tuned.
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Thanks Santa, I'll sit back and wait for the fix. :)
Regards, tom
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Nice to hear, Santa. I was sure it would be resolved at some point, but this is more rapid than I'd hoped.
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Santa,
With your fixes, will we be able install KDE5 without having to do a Kde-full for KDE4 first? Siduction defaults to "APT::Install-Recommends "0";" - I presume you will test with this setting.
Looking forward to getting KDE5 running.
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Santa,
With your fixes, will we be able install KDE5 without having to do a Kde-full for KDE4 first? Siduction defaults to "APT::Install-Recommends "0";" - I presume you will test with this setting.
Looking forward to getting KDE5 running.
Yes, at least you will be able to start plasma. You are suposed to be able to run plasma after installing kde-standard, no matter the situation.
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I also noticed 2. is "fixed" when you install kde-full with the recommends enabled ...
Excellent -- thanks for this. I too had the kdinit and kwin crashes, even with kde-full installed. After reading this, I went back and installed the kdeaccessibility and kdesdk packages, and one of those (or their dependencies) fixed it. Working good again.
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Hello @dibl,
thanks for your hint, the installation of kdesdk solved the starting issues on my computer.
Kind regards,
Holger
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The most important problem is fixed in the latest packages available, let's start a new clean thread to discuss any other possible issue:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5593.0