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Title: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 20:25:28
Hello, would someone please help me to understand the download tree
indiansummer > I need to know what's nox & xorg
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: dibl on 2016/02/02, 20:43:31
Hi and welcome!


nox is no X.  It is a character-mode only OS.  The others have the X server and the various desktop environments.



Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 20:54:32
Hi and welcome!


nox is no X.  It is a character-mode only OS.  The others have the X server and the various desktop environments.

I see, thanks  :D
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 20:58:08
Hi and welcome!


nox is no X.  It is a character-mode only OS.  The others have the X server and the various desktop environments.

but still I do not know what xorg iso is  :-\
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/02, 21:05:11
It's a minimal iso which provides a minimal x environment with fluxbox i think.

Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 21:44:13
Okay, no probelm, I picked up the xfce iso, because I like that DE  ;D
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: tmhind2 on 2016/02/02, 21:46:27
Great, welcome to siduction. :)
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: HotChilliPepper on 2016/02/02, 21:58:14
Hello bonbonboi,
I would recommend you to try the KDE- or GnomeISO from paintitblack folder, if your device more or less up to date. These are the most common Graphical User Interfaces under Linux and are both easy to understand.
If your machine is older you should perhaps try LXQT or XFce which need less resources, but you'll find your way through the menus and programs, too.
Nox is used for servers or stuff like that. And Xorg is somewhat for people who like it minimalistic.

Hope that helps, Timo
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 23:52:04
Hello bonbonboi,
I would recommend you to try the KDE- or GnomeISO from paintitblack folder, if your device more or less up to date. These are the most common Graphical User Interfaces under Linux and are both easy to understand.
If your machine is older you should perhaps try LXQT or XFce which need less resources, but you'll find your way through the menus and programs, too.
Nox is used for servers or stuff like that. And Xorg is somewhat for people who like it minimalistic.

Hope that helps, Timo

Thanks for this comprehensive reply, I'm now on siduction linux, 2014-11-21 amd64.  I'm worry to update it since I heard there is something wrong with the sources list. When I ask it to update, it gives me a long package list to be removed. I have updated the source list at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ by those ones posted recently on this forum as follows
I have three files in there : debian.list , misc.list, siduction.list
debian.list:
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

misc.list: all lines commented out

seduction.list:
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/extra unstable main
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes unstable main contrib non-free

What do you advice?  ???
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: melmarker on 2016/02/02, 23:53:12
Install the latest release - even if it is a -dev release
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/02, 23:59:59
Install the latest release - even if it is a -dev release

No way  :o

first time I heard about siduction linux, I picked up the "paintitblack" xfce amd64, it's DRAFT copy, I hate myself that much when I was on it, I thought that's the siduction linux, after some days and today I said to myself why not to try to previous one 2014, now I'm on it. You know that long time I looking for a "sid" linux distro, I found siduction distro, I'm giving it a try now  ;D
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/03, 00:12:27
No problem, I found out that big list of packages to be installed, not be removed, hehe kinda getting sleepy sometimes  :P
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: musca on 2016/02/03, 02:12:43
Hello bonbonboi,

nice to see you found your way :)

yes, XFCE should be quite easily dist-upgradable. 
KDE would be more difficult (4.x to 5.x migration, work in progress).

Have fun!
musca
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 19:25:07
I need to know what Debian Linux am I using, would someone help to find out my correct distro , I want to download an app, I need to choose the correct file, there are Debian 8 ("Jessie"), Debian 7 ("Wheezy") and Debian 6 ("Squeeze").
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: dieres on 2016/02/05, 19:49:08
siduction is sid=unstable. Newer than Jessie = stable. So if you cannot find your app through the packagemanager apt you can try jessie packages but not wheeezy or squeeze.
The recommend way to install is :
1. "apt update" to update the package list
2. "apt install <package-name>"  to install <package-name>
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:17:12
Well I'm trying to get virtualbox, when I installed it through apt-get install virtualbox, I got the 32-bit, but I want the 64-bit, I want to get it from the official website then  ???
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:20:38
Code: [Select]
dpkg --print-architecture

What does it give to you?


Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:21:39
Code: [Select]
dpkg --print-architecture

What does it give to you?

amd64
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:22:27
Then apt-get never will install the 32bit version of virtualbox!
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:25:42
Then apt-get never will install the 32bit version of virtualbox!

I think my sources.list is wrong though, would you copy yours and send here so I correct mine  ::)
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:27:02
I want to see a proof that you get the 32bit version of vbox!

Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:30:56
I want to see a proof that you get the 32bit version of vbox!

When I wanted to create a new vbox, it shows only 32-bit systems. is that normal?
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:31:46
It is normal, if your cpu does not have vt-x (intel) or svm (amd).
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:33:45
It is normal, if your cpu does not have vt-x (intel) or svm (amd).

I see, is that even I'm using a 64-bit Linux?  ::)
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:40:04
You should realy read the vbox documentation.
There is crystal clear decripbet, what's needed für 64bit guests.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:47:43
it's x86 virtualization solution - base binaries
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:55:05
And what want you to tell with that useless screenshot?
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 20:57:25
And what want you to tell with that useless screenshot?

That is 32-bit vbox, I'm gonna grab an amd64 from the official website, I'm done with those repositories.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 20:59:23
I think, you should learn some basics!
That is not the 32bit vbox!
But do whatever you want, it's your system.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: der_bud on 2016/02/05, 21:00:54
I got the same description in my 64bit system, its only a description, nothing more. The package is amd64, go to terminal and type "apt-cache policy virtualbox".
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 21:01:54
In the description is not one word about 32bit!
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: der_bud on 2016/02/05, 21:04:59
right, misread the 'x86' part ;)
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: towo on 2016/02/05, 21:06:48
And it's ablolute right, because vbox can't virtualize, arm, sparc or m68k, it only can virtualize x86.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 21:07:56
I got the same description in my 64bit system, its only a description, nothing more. The package is amd64, go to terminal and type "apt-cache policy virtualbox".

okay, to be sure let me finish installing "/virtualbox-5.0_5.0.14-105127~Debian~jessie_amd64.deb"  I will see what next then..
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 21:18:44
I got the same thing, I think you are right about the vt-x thing is not supported in the CPU.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: der_bud on 2016/02/05, 21:24:16
Type "lscpu" in a terminal, that will give you hints about the capabilities of your system.
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: musca on 2016/02/05, 21:36:01
Hello bonbonboi,

often on intel systems virtualization is disabled in the BIOS by default. Please enable.

You can check if either the svm or vmx flag is present in your cpu with:
Code: [Select]
grep -Pom1 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo
On my system I get "vmx" as output.

greetings
musca
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 22:19:34
No I know my cpu is a very old one.

Flags:                 fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm dtherm

help there is something is removing all the packages out of my linux
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 22:40:48
it's done it's job, i lost all the packages, the good thing the iceweasel still opened, so i can post here.. I will not reboot the system, i knw it wont come back again  :o
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: musca on 2016/02/05, 23:45:02
Hello bonbonboi,

to get your desktop back you can use our addpkg script as root:

Code: [Select]
addpkg xfce
greetings
musca
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: bonbonboi on 2016/02/05, 23:49:34
Hello bonbonboi,

to get your desktop back you can use our addpkg script as root:

Code: [Select]
addpkg xfce
greetings
musca


there is something marked all the packages to be removed, how can I stop the mark ?  :'(
Title: Re: Hello! Need help in getting siduction
Post by: musca on 2016/02/05, 23:57:32
You can use

Code: [Select]
aptitude why-not  »lostpackage«