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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: musca on 2014/04/26, 22:33:27
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Hello gnome users,
A lot of packages found their way to unstable and even more are in incoming (http://incoming.debian.org/) and will hit us in a few minutes.
On my recent dist-upgrade i got an empty desktop with a lonely mousecursor.
So beware! Don't dist-upgrade or you get to keep the peaces.
greetings
musca
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Thanks for the heads up. I was able to successfully to do a d-u, not sure if there are any ill effects as of yet.
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Hello terroreek,
yes, deleting the broken snapshot of my virtual machine and restarting from clean state i was able to do a dist-upgrade and at least reboot to a gnome desktop. I'm still checking for remaining issues, but ofcourse more testers are welcome.
I don't encourage users to dist-upgrade.
There are no new applications available, neither in unstable nor in experimental repo.
The gnome core components are yet to come. This is what we got so far.
root@sidubox:~# dpkg -l | grep -P 3.12.[01]
ii baobab 3.12.1-1 amd64 GNOME disk usage analyzer
ii cheese-common 3.12.0-1 all Common files for the Cheese tool to take pictures and videos
ii eog 3.12.0-1 amd64 Eye of GNOME graphics viewer program
ii evince 3.12.1-1 amd64 Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer
ii evince-common 3.12.1-1 all Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer - common files
ii evolution 3.12.1-1 amd64 groupware suite with mail client and organizer
ii evolution-common 3.12.1-1 all architecture independent files for Evolution
ii evolution-data-server 3.12.1-1 amd64 evolution database backend server
ii evolution-data-server-common 3.12.1-1 all architecture independent files for Evolution Data Server
ii file-roller 3.12.1-1 amd64 archive manager for GNOME
ii five-or-more 1:3.12.1-1 amd64 make color lines of five or more length
ii four-in-a-row 1:3.12.1-1 amd64 four-in-a-row game for GNOME
ii gcalctool 1:3.12.1-1 all GNOME desktop calculator (transitional package)
ii gcr 3.12.0-1 amd64 GNOME crypto services (daemon and tools)
ii gedit 3.12.1-1 amd64 official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment
ii gedit-common 3.12.1-1 all official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment (support files)
ii gir1.2-gck-1 3.12.0-1 amd64 GObject introspection data for the GCK library
ii gir1.2-gcr-3 3.12.0-1 amd64 GObject introspection data for the GCR library
ii gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.12.1-1 amd64 GTK+ graphical user interface library -- gir bindings
ii gir1.2-mutter-3.0 3.12.1+really+3.8.4-1 amd64 GObject introspection data for Mutter
ii gnome-backgrounds 3.12.0-1 all Set of backgrounds packaged with the GNOME desktop
ii gnome-calculator 3.12.1-1 amd64 GNOME desktop calculator
ii gnome-disk-utility 3.12.0-1 amd64 manage and configure disk drives and media
ii gnome-icon-theme 3.12.0-1 all GNOME Desktop icon theme
ii gnome-icon-theme-symbolic 3.12.0-1 all GNOME desktop icon theme (symbolic icons)
ii gnome-keyring 3.12.0-2 amd64 GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)
ii gnome-screenshot 3.12.0-1 amd64 screenshot application for GNOME
ii gnome-terminal 3.12.0-2 amd64 GNOME terminal emulator application
ii gnome-terminal-data 3.12.0-2 all Data files for the GNOME terminal emulator
ii gnome-themes-standard:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 Standard GNOME themes
ii gnome-themes-standard-data 3.12.0-1 all Data files for GNOME standard themes
ii gnome-tweak-tool 3.12.0-2 all tool to adjust advanced configuration settings for GNOME
ii gucharmap 1:3.12.0-1 amd64 Unicode character picker and font browser
ii iagno 1:3.12.1-1 amd64 popular Othello game for GNOME
ii libcamel-1.2-49 3.12.1-1 amd64 Evolution MIME message handling library
ii libcheese-gtk23:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam - widgets
ii libcheese7:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam - base library
ii libebackend-1.2-7 3.12.1-1 amd64 Utility library for evolution data servers
ii libebook-1.2-14 3.12.1-1 amd64 Client library for evolution address books
ii libebook-contacts-1.2-0 3.12.1-1 amd64 Client library for evolution contacts books
ii libecal-1.2-16 3.12.1-1 amd64 Client library for evolution calendars
ii libedata-book-1.2-20 3.12.1-1 amd64 Backend library for evolution address books
ii libedata-cal-1.2-23 3.12.1-1 amd64 Backend library for evolution calendars
ii libedataserver-1.2-18 3.12.1-1 amd64 Utility library for evolution data servers
ii libevdocument3-4 3.12.1-1 amd64 Document (PostScript, PDF) rendering library
ii libevolution 3.12.1-1 amd64 evolution libraries
ii libevview3-3 3.12.1-1 amd64 Document (PostScript, PDF) rendering library - Gtk+ widgets
ii libgail-3-0:amd64 3.12.1-1 amd64 GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library -- shared libraries
ii libgck-1-0:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 Glib wrapper library for PKCS#11 - runtime
ii libgcr-3-common 3.12.0-1 all Library for Crypto UI related tasks - common files
ii libgcr-base-3-1:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 Library for Crypto related tasks
ii libgcr-ui-3-1:amd64 3.12.0-1 amd64 Library for Crypto UI related tasks
ii libgeocode-glib0 3.12.0-1 amd64 geocoding and reverse geocoding GLib library using Nominatim
ii libgoa-1.0-0b:amd64 3.12.1-1 amd64 library for GNOME Online Accounts
ii libgoa-1.0-common 3.12.1-1 all library for GNOME Online Accounts - common files
ii libgoa-backend-1.0-1:amd64 3.12.1-1 amd64 backend library for GNOME Online Accounts
ii libgtk-3-0:amd64 3.12.1-1 amd64 GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii libgtk-3-bin 3.12.1-1 amd64 programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii libgtk-3-common 3.12.1-1 all common files for the GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii libgtksourceview-3.0-1:amd64 3.12.1-1 amd64 shared libraries for the GTK+ syntax highlighting widget
ii libgtksourceview-3.0-common 3.12.1-1 all common files for the GTK+ syntax highlighting widget
ii libgucharmap-2-90-7 1:3.12.0-1 amd64 Unicode browser widget library (shared library)
ii libgweather-3-6 3.12.0-1 amd64 GWeather shared library
ii libgweather-common 3.12.0-1 all GWeather common files
ii libmutter0b 3.12.1+really+3.8.4-1 amd64 window manager library from the Mutter window manager
ii libtotem0 3.12.0-2 amd64 Main library for the Totem media player
ii libyelp0 3.12.0-1 amd64 Library for the GNOME help browser
ii mutter-common 3.12.1+really+3.8.4-1 all shared files for the Mutter window manager
ii python-gi 3.12.1-1 amd64 Python 2.x bindings for gobject-introspection libraries
ii python-gi-cairo 3.12.1-1 amd64 Python Cairo bindings for the GObject library
ii python-gobject 3.12.1-1 all Python 2.x bindings for GObject - transitional package
ii python3-gi 3.12.1-1 amd64 Python 3 bindings for gobject-introspection libraries
ii python3-gi-cairo 3.12.1-1 amd64 Python 3 Cairo bindings for the GObject library
ii totem 3.12.0-2 amd64 Simple media player for the GNOME desktop based on GStreamer
ii totem-common 3.12.0-2 all Data files for the Totem media player
ii vinagre 3.12.0-1 amd64 remote desktop client for the GNOME Desktop
ii vino 3.12.0-1 amd64 VNC server for GNOME
ii yelp 3.12.0-1 amd64 Help browser for GNOME
ii yelp-xsl 3.12.0-1 all XSL stylesheets for the yelp help browser
Please be patient and carefully read what your dist-upgrade wants to remove. Even if packages are installable this doesn't warrant for a working gnome desktop.
Take care!
musca
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Ok, if you need a guinea pig I don't mind. I have siduction running in a btrfs subvolume, so I snapshot prior to dist-upgrades and if something breaks it's easy for me to roll back from a dist-upgrade.
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Yay! The community OS at its best! :)
I'm missing tabs in the new gnome-terminal 3.12, but at least the keyboard shortcut Ctrl-Shift-T still does the trick
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yep, I can confirm this behavior as well, I don't usually use the menu bar, but yes, the new tab option is missing but shift ctrl t, will create a new tab, but the tab name is missing.
Also the show desktop icons bug is still there, but my guess that won't be fixed until nautilus, and the rest of gnome gets updated.
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@musca
I was able to do another successful dist-upgrade today nothing looks like it was put on hold or removed.
The other thing I have noticed is that open file dialog refuses to honour the 'sort folders before files'. So if you open gedit, click open and you have that option enabled, and you are in a folder that contains both files and folders, that it ignores that nautilus setting. Edit it's only gnome 3.12 apps, like gedit.
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Hello,
the transition has been smooth so far. We just have gone through the tracker transition (https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/tracker1.0.html) (enable good in the filter).
Now we are approaching the rapids on our rafting tour to gnome 3.12.
The debian maintainers speak about a "big pile" of packages that has to be updated in one step.
Thankfully we can check the transition (https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libgnome-desktop-3-10.html) and watch the packages change their status to green.
Please, be patient, take care and read what your dist-upgrade wants to remove!
greetings
musca
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Hello dear gnome friends!
We are still waiting for "the big pile" of packages (see my posting above), but some new applications arrived:
a) Gnome-logs is a viewer for the systemd journal.
b) Gnome-boxes is a frontend for virtualization.
c) Polari is an irc client. It needs gnome-online-accounts for its configuration and has basic functions.
Feedback welcomed! Did i miss anything new?
Be careful if you try to install theese apps and read what apt-get wants to do.
greetings
musca
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gave logs and polari a shot, logs, is cool but truth be told it seems a bit slow switching but I think that might be systemd.
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Hello my dear gnome friends,
the transition has been silent for a while, because it has been stalled waiting for the upower 0.99 package. Other desktops depend also on upower, so everything had to queue up and wait. Yesterday upower 0.99.0-3 finally arrived in debian unstable and the debian gnome team immediately began to coordinate the next steps.
So be prepared, the "big pile" of remaining gnome 3.12 packages soon will be on its way.
Please check your dist-upgrades for removals and maybe watch the debian transition tracker (https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libgnome-desktop-3-10.html).
greetings
musca
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Hello,
gnome 3.12 is out and the desktop can have icons AND wallpaper again, yay!
The dist-upgrade wanted to removed libgjs0c, libmetacity-private0a, libmutter0b and i let those go.
Installation went smooth.
Please provide feedback about new features, i will try to preserve any ideas for the next release of siduction.
Have fun with gnome 3.12!
greetings
musca
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Hello,
I just installed gnome-sushi which is a file previewer for nautilus.
Usage: Select a file with left click then press space to play and space or escape to abort.
Have more fun with gnome 3.12!
greetings
musca
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Hi Musca,
I haven't had a chance yet to update with all the transitions and wanting to remove stuff I need but I notice that Nautilus is up to version 3.12 did it fix the desktop bug where if nautilus handled the desktop it would just draw a white background?
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Hi terroreek,
yes, you can have "Icons on Desktop" or a wallpaper and even both at once! It's a complete desktop again.
I'm looking forward to your feedback.
greetings
musca
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So far other than the fact my modified theme for gnome-shell was borked, I had to find a new shell theme, I am really liking it thus far. I really like gnome-sushi.
I found when using the open or save dialog gedit didn't honour the sort folders before files option, I was able to fix that by unchecking the option and then rechecking the option in nautilus.
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Hello all,
I have not done a dist-upgrade in several days because du still wants to remove
gdm3
gnome-core
gnome-session
gnome-shell
libmetacity-private0a
libmutter0b
the candidate for gnome-core is still 3.8+8 while all the others are the new 3.12.2-3. I can't find any documentation stating that gnome-core is being replaced. My mirror is ftp.us.debian.org. Could it be that this mirror has not received the latest update for gnome-core? I'm content to wait for the transition to complete in my mirror if that is the issue. Any advice?
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libmetacity-private0a
libmutter0b
should be removed you should be getting replaced I believe.
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Hi terroreek,
I believe you are correct. But I don't want to proceed with gdm3, gnome-core, gnome-session and gnome-shell being removed.
Thank you for your help.
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No you are correct it's weird that it wants to remove them. My guess is that its just a mirror sync issue.
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Hello jheaton5,
siduction avoids the installation of gnome-core, because it has too many dependencies.
Instead we pick the really neccessary packages and install them manually.
$ LANG=C apt-cache policy gnome-core
gnome-core:
Installed: (none) <---- not installed by our default.
Candidate: 1:3.8+8
Version table:
1:3.8+8 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
This is a "best practise" for debian unstable.
You now see why: One of its dependencies is broken, and you need to decide.
greetings
musca
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Thank you, musca. I'm not running siduction but pure debian sid.
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Again, thanks guys. I let the dist-upgrade remove the gnome files and then re-installed them. All good.
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Hmm, not here. Only KDE fanboys would call this a successful upgrade: Gnome is gone, I'm on KDE now. Some other $dm comes up, does not look like gdm3 and only KDE is available under Sessions. gnome-core is not installed.
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Hi all
Actually I did a du today. Gnome which was the default DE has gone. Automatically logs in or opens another DE. Gnome packages are still there.
Having just looked at the packages it looks like d-u is not working properly, as I have a lower version of gnome.
Upon further inspection looks like the du is done in two parts today. First time does not install all the packages. But even after the second du gnome does not start or is even recognised as an option to start.
Awesome it is then. Upwards and away.
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Hello OppaErich and anonproxy,
you need to present more details. Please consider opening a new thread.
I was playing with an RC kernel and its new parameters while doing dist-upgrades in between when i noticed gnome wasn't starting.
In my case it was gdm3 not being started at all. I switched to lightdm and back to gdm3 and in both cases gnome could be started just fine.
# dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
(selected lightdm in the config dialog)
#dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
(selected gdm in the config dialog)
I just did another dist-upgrade and gnome starts as usual. I'm sure there is not really a general issue with the repos.
greetings
musca
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Hi
I tried the dpkg-reconfigure lightdm. That did nothing.
I then checked the dpkg-reconfigure gdm3. Said gdm3 was not properly/completely installed. So I installed gdm3. Then the dialouge appeared asking which I wanted to use. But despite all this still no gnome on gdm.
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apt-get install gnomebrought anything back.
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@OppaErich - I'll try that in a minute :)
Yeah - that worked. Thanks :D
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Hello OppaErich and anonproxy,
nice to see you have your gnome desktop back to work.
Let me remark: Installing the metapackes gnome or gnome-core is not the siduction way.
Theese packages have extended dependency lists to pull in everything that might be comfortible.
Package gnome
Depends: gnome-core, desktop-base, network-manager-gnome, aisleriot, cheese, evolution,
evolution-plugins, file-roller, gedit, gnome-color-manager, gnome-documents, gnome-games,
gnome-nettool, nautilus-sendto, gnome-orca, rygel-preferences, seahorse, totem, vinagre,
alacarte, avahi-daemon, gimp, gnome-media, gnome-tweak-tool, hamster-applet, inkscape,
libreoffice-gnome, libreoffice-writer | abiword, libreoffice-calc | gnumeric, libreoffice-impress,
rhythmbox, shotwell, simple-scan, sound-juicer, tomboy | gnote, tracker-gui, transmission-gtk,
xdg-user-dirs-gtk, cups-pk-helper, gedit-plugins, gnome-shell-extensions, gstreamer1.0-libav,
gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly, rhythmbox-plugins, rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder, rygel-playbin,
rygel-tracker | rygel, telepathy-gabble, telepathy-rakia, telepathy-salut, totem-plugins, libgtk2-perl
Recommends: browser-plugin-gnash, gdebi, telepathy-idle
gnome-core
Depends: libatk-adaptor, at-spi2-core, baobab, brasero, caribou, caribou-antler,
libcaribou-gtk-module, libcaribou-gtk3-module, dconf-gsettings-backend, dconf-tools,
empathy, eog, evince, evolution-data-server, fonts-cantarell, sound-theme-freedesktop,
gnome-calculator, gconf2, gdm3, glib-networking, gnome-backgrounds, gnome-bluetooth,
gnome-contacts, gnome-control-center, gnome-dictionary, gnome-disk-utility, gnome-font-viewer,
gnome-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme-extras, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic, gnome-keyring,
libpam-gnome-keyring, gnome-menus, gnome-online-accounts, gnome-packagekit,
gnome-screenshot, gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-shell, gnome-system-log,
gnome-system-monitor, gnome-terminal, gnome-themes-standard, gnome-user-guide,
gnome-user-share, tracker-gui | gnome-search-tool, gsettings-desktop-schemas,
gstreamer1.0-plugins-base, gstreamer1.0-plugins-good, gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio,
libgtk-3-common, gtk2-engines, gucharmap, gvfs-backends, gvfs-bin, gvfs-fuse, iceweasel,
libcanberra-pulse, gkbd-capplet, metacity, mousetweaks, nautilus, notification-daemon,
policykit-1-gnome, pulseaudio, gnome-sushi, vino, yelp, zenity
Recommends: network-manager-gnome, anacron
My concern is not about speed. I happily would install all of those packages, but not as dependencies. I don't want to be bothered by every little packaging issue in that huge package cloud straight asking me "Do you want to remove gnome?". Why are theese extras not simply recommends? I think of it as packaging bugs. In fact this dependency hell has caused breakage even in the stable release (see #715555 (https://bugs.debian.org/715555) ).
greetings
musca
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I thought I'd point this out, anyone using wine should know there is a full screen bug with gnome-shell, looks like 3.10 and newer. The quick workaround is to alt tab to the wine window. However if anyone here like me uses pipelight, to watch netflix you need to alt-tab to the get your fullscreen window back.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/pipelight/+bug/1277972
There is a workaround in the that bug report.
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Ok so if anyone is still getting empty or blank tab titles in gnome-terminal, I added this to my .zshrc (I use zshell with prezto)
case $TERM in
xterm*)
precmd () {print -Pn "\e]0;%n@%m: %~\a"}
;;
esac
fixed it for me, this gnome bug report will also shed some light in the matter
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720693
Using the set Title will not work via the menu in gnome-terminal, you can change it by xtermset -T 'some title'. You may need to install xtermset (apt-get install xtermset).
Anyone with a customized shell can refer to this to help;
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Xterm-Title.html#s4
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Hello,
i found an issue with gnome-control-center: the users control would not allow to change my password.
Running the control center from the commandlline helped:
/var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory
I discussed my observation in #debian-gnome and got the solution: cracklib-runtime was missing. Debian has to add a recommends: cracklib-runtime in the gnome-control-center but this still will not install it in siduction. So siduction users need to install the package if they want to change their password.
apt-get install cracklib-runtime
I added issue #1644 (http://bugs.siduction.org/issues/1644) in the siduction bugtracker.
greetings
musca