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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: Santa on 2013/08/15, 19:29:55
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Hello,
KDE SC 4.11.0 has now moved to kdenext/unstable from kdenext/experimental-snapshots. The new kdepim 4.11 is not available yet in kdenext/kdepim-ng but I just hope to upload it soon.
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Hmm, cannot see the packages yet. Might have to wait until all mirrors are synced.
regards
Reiner
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Hmm, cannot see the packages yet. Might have to wait until all mirrors are synced.
regards
Reiner
My bad, they should be available now.
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Was able to update a desktop and my EEEpc tonight, and, everything is running smooth so far. Nice having the latest version of KDE. Great work.
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+1
thanks a lot!
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Tnx for having the latest kde!!!!!
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So, had now sucess in downloading it.
Thanks for providing it to us so early :D
regards
Reiner
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Many thanks santa
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Thanks for your ongoing kde maintenance!
toga
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Many thanks, santa. very good work.
qwerthi
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I have problem with my multi monitor system with proprietary ati driver.
Only on the first monitor the keyboard work and the title bar of the software missing in the other monitor (except the first).
there is a way for downgrade to kde 4.10?
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I just did a d-u which pulled in 4.11, fine so far. Takes some time until the desktop appears (mouse cursor on black for about half a minute)... How do I get rid of those shiny screen edge indicators or change the color, make them smaller and less intrusive (top, bottom)?
Edit: It's a new kwin-effect, found and disabled it.
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I have a question if I may.
I enabled the kdenet repo and dist-upgraded.
Everything has been going nicely for some time now.
However a recent update / dist-upgrade shows that 176 packages are to be removed, see below.
Obviously I didn't perform the dist-upgrade.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
akregator amarok apt-file apt-show-versions ark aspell aspell-en ceni console-setup console-setup-linux debsums dictionaries-common digikam dolphin gimp gwenview hpijs hpijs-ppds hplip hplip-cups k3b kaddressbook kaffeine kate kcalc kcharselect kde-baseapps
kde-baseapps-bin kde-plasma-desktop kde-runtime kde-style-oxygen kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace-bin kdelibs5-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kdepim-strigi-plugins
kdeplasma-addons kdf kdm keyboard-configuration kfind kgpg khelpcenter4 kio-audiocd kipi-plugins klipper kmail kmenuedit kmix knemo knotes konq-plugins konqueror konsole kontact konversation kopete korganizer kppp krdc krusader ksnapshot ksysguard ktorrent
kwalletmanager kwrite libapt-pkg-perl libcalendarsupport4 libclass-accessor-perl libclone-perl libcurses-perl libcurses-ui-perl libemail-valid-perl libenchant1c2a libeventviews4 libexpect-perl libfile-fcntllock-perl libfile-fnmatch-perl libhpmud0
libincidenceeditorsng4 libio-pty-perl libio-socket-inet6-perl libipc-run-perl libkateinterfaces4 libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkgapi0 libkopete4 libksieveui4 liblist-moreutils-perl liblocale-gettext-perl libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmessagecomposer4
libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libnet-dns-perl libparse-debianchangelog-perl libperl5.14 libpimcommon4 libreoffice-kde libsane-hpaio libsmokekdecore4-3 libsmokekdeui4-3 libsmokekfile3 libsmokekhtml3 libsmokekio3 libsmokeknewstuff2-3
libsmokeknewstuff3-3 libsmokekparts3 libsmokektexteditor3 libsmokekutils3 libsmokeplasma3 libsnmp30 libsocket6-perl libsub-name-perl libtemplateparser4 libterm-readkey-perl libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 lintian module-assistant mplayerthumbs myspell-de-de myspell-en-au myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us myspell-pt-br mythes-en-au okular partitionmanager plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-runners-addons plasma-scriptengine-ruby
plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widget-networkmanagement plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace polkit-kde-1 printer-driver-hpcups printer-driver-hpijs ruby-kde4 ruby-plasma siduction-art-kde siduction-art-kde-onestepbeyond siduction-art-kde-ridersonthestorm
siduction-art-kdm-onestepbeyond siduction-art-kdm-ridersonthestorm siduction-art-ksplash-onestepbeyond siduction-art-ksplash-ridersonthestorm skanlite systemsettings weechat-plugins weechat-scripts xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev
xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware yakuake zenity
Quite a lot as you can see.
The best course of action that I can think of at present is to wait, run apt-get update regularly and dist-upgrade when safe.
Unless of course there is another course of action that can be recommended.
Cheers.
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It's the perl transition.
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=31903#31903
greetz
devil
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Cool thanks Devil.
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The only annoying effect of 4.11 for me is the slow and ugly start of the desktop after login. Before 4.11 the wallpaper was nicely blended in, now there's just black and the cursor, the the color of desktop - and then together with the start sound the desktop appears. The more desktops I have the longer the black stays. And it doesn't matter if I have the kwin effect for login enabled of not - no change.
Is there maybe something necessary missing, something which still is 4.8 instead of 4.11? Or something which needs to be uninstalled? E.g. libkwineffects1abi3 is still 4.8, as is libkwinglutils1, libkworkspace4abi1 and libkdecorations4 - phonon on 4.6 - does that matter?
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I had not noticed that, but today I watched two of my older systems after I logged in, and on one I did see the black screen and cursor for a few seconds before the panel and then the wallpaper appeared. For example, here is an older laptop, running the nouveau video driver, that does not show your black screen at all:
System: Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.10-9.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.1)
Desktop: KDE 4.11.00 (Qt 4.8.5) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)
Machine: System: Dell product: Latitude E6500 serial: 7XFD1J1
Mobo: Dell model: 0PP476 serial: .7XFD1J1.CN129619122714. Bios: Dell version: A14 date: 07/31/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8600 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9575.84
Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 2401.00 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
X.org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 141x38 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:4e:ab:86:7a
Card-2: Intel 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e ver: 2.3.2-k port: efe0 bus-ID: 00:19.0
IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:d4:d3:04
Drives: HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (41.2% used) 1: model: OCZ_VERTEX
Info: Processes: 160 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 575.5/3948.5MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.8.1
Client: Shell (bash 4.2.45) inxi: 1.9.14
I would guess that your system is very busy doing something immediately after you log in.
-- do you have a lot in ~/.kde/Autostart?
-- under ~/.config?
-- under /etc/rc.local?
Or, if your GPU is an older model with limitations, maybe the new kwin is pushing it harder than it can handle?
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I have this effect, too, on my system (see below) for about 1 or 2 seconds. I have conky installed and conky is appearing on and with this black background.
It shows not much activity, under 10% on one cpu, I would guess, and all other cpu's on low.
Only thing I have in autostart is conky.
Just for info.
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@ayla, if you put a "sleep 10" before the conky command in your startup script, you might find that the desktop appears faster, and before the conky appears.
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Hi dibl,
started conky with a script in autostart:
#!/bin/bash
sleep 10
conky
No significant change. The black screen appears for about a second or a little more (of course now without conky which appears later then).
But I can live with that, I just wanted to give an information with my post above.
Of course I like to test a few things if it is wanted.
Greets
ayla
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Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.
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In folgender Datei eine Zeile mit einem Sleep versehen:
/usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
Exec=sleep 10 && plasma-desktop
Leider wird kdm nicht mehr gewartet. Das neue sddm ist aber noch nicht fertig. Daher diese Unpässlichkeit ...
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Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.
It would be interesting to see how it performs with the nouveau driver, although changing video drivers is not my idea of a fun project.
I would suspect you are seeing the limits of your GPU. I have a netbook with Intel Atom CPU and Intel GPU, and on that one KDE is too heavy -- desktop switching is slow, dolphin takes a long time to open, etc. So I run LXDE with only 2 desktops on that one.
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I have similar experiences with that black screen. I guess it is related to the nvidia-drivers.Other boxes I haveinstalledwith kde and Xorg-drivers (AMD) donot seem to have that behaviour.
regards
Reiner
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I have seen the black screen also with just gkrellm showing. I use the nouveau drivers, so it's not just the proprietary drivers.
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@dibl: Nouveau doesn't work correctly with my GPU, too much graphical glitches. And a dual core CPU and nvidia GF 8400 and 4 GB RAM should be sufficient for KDE 4.11...
@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
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@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
Vielleicht haben die Ubuntu Maintainer dieses sleep irgendwo eingesetzt ...
Es geht um das ganze Session startup:
Es wird immer komplizierter je mehr KI in den DEs implementiert werden wird. Es gibt schon erste Versuche die SessionStart Sequenz automatisiert zu ordnen per systemd-user.
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Der sleep hat geholfen! Vielen Dank, ralul!
Bleibt das jetzt in der Datei - oder ist das nach irgendeinem Paketupdate wieder weg?
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Intermediate black screen is fixed for me with:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3781
Thanks Santa!
Greets
ayla