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Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Santa on 2013/08/15, 19:29:55
Hello,

KDE SC 4.11.0 has now moved to kdenext/unstable from kdenext/experimental-snapshots. The new kdepim 4.11 is not available yet in kdenext/kdepim-ng but I just hope to upload it soon.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ReinerS on 2013/08/15, 20:34:33
Hmm, cannot see the packages yet. Might have to wait until all mirrors are synced.

regards

Reiner
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Santa on 2013/08/15, 21:23:52
Quote from: "ReinerS"
Hmm, cannot see the packages yet. Might have to wait until all mirrors are synced.

regards

Reiner


My bad, they should be available now.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: GoinEasy9 on 2013/08/16, 05:38:33
Was able to update a desktop and my EEEpc tonight, and, everything is running smooth so far.  Nice having the latest version of KDE.  Great work.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Lanzi on 2013/08/16, 12:03:24
+1
thanks a lot!
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: slaughterer on 2013/08/16, 13:15:20
Tnx for having the latest kde!!!!!
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ReinerS on 2013/08/16, 20:36:37
So, had now sucess in downloading it.

Thanks for providing it to us so early  :D

regards

Reiner
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: clubex on 2013/08/17, 12:51:36
Many thanks santa
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: toga on 2013/08/17, 14:04:23
Thanks for your   ongoing kde maintenance!

toga
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: qwerthi on 2013/08/17, 15:28:38
Many thanks, santa. very good work.

qwerthi
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Mte90 on 2013/08/19, 16:13:58
I have problem with my multi monitor system with proprietary ati driver.
Only on the first monitor the keyboard work and the title bar of the software missing in the other monitor (except the first).
there is a way for downgrade to kde 4.10?
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: spacepenguin on 2013/08/19, 22:25:49
I just did a d-u which pulled in 4.11, fine so far. Takes some time until the desktop appears (mouse cursor on black for about half a minute)... How do I get rid of those shiny screen edge indicators or change the color, make them smaller and less intrusive (top, bottom)?

Edit: It's a new kwin-effect, found and disabled it.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Taliesin on 2013/08/29, 11:22:53
I have a question if I may.

I enabled the kdenet repo and dist-upgraded.

Everything has been going nicely for some time now.

However a recent update / dist-upgrade shows that 176 packages are to be removed, see below.

Obviously I didn't perform the dist-upgrade.

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The following packages will be REMOVED:
  akregator amarok apt-file apt-show-versions ark aspell aspell-en ceni console-setup console-setup-linux debsums dictionaries-common digikam dolphin gimp gwenview hpijs hpijs-ppds hplip hplip-cups k3b kaddressbook kaffeine kate kcalc kcharselect kde-baseapps
  kde-baseapps-bin kde-plasma-desktop kde-runtime kde-style-oxygen kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace-bin kdelibs5-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kdepim-strigi-plugins
  kdeplasma-addons kdf kdm keyboard-configuration kfind kgpg khelpcenter4 kio-audiocd kipi-plugins klipper kmail kmenuedit kmix knemo knotes konq-plugins konqueror konsole kontact konversation kopete korganizer kppp krdc krusader ksnapshot ksysguard ktorrent
  kwalletmanager kwrite libapt-pkg-perl libcalendarsupport4 libclass-accessor-perl libclone-perl libcurses-perl libcurses-ui-perl libemail-valid-perl libenchant1c2a libeventviews4 libexpect-perl libfile-fcntllock-perl libfile-fnmatch-perl libhpmud0
  libincidenceeditorsng4 libio-pty-perl libio-socket-inet6-perl libipc-run-perl libkateinterfaces4 libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkgapi0 libkopete4 libksieveui4 liblist-moreutils-perl liblocale-gettext-perl libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmessagecomposer4
  libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libnet-dns-perl libparse-debianchangelog-perl libperl5.14 libpimcommon4 libreoffice-kde libsane-hpaio libsmokekdecore4-3 libsmokekdeui4-3 libsmokekfile3 libsmokekhtml3 libsmokekio3 libsmokeknewstuff2-3
  libsmokeknewstuff3-3 libsmokekparts3 libsmokektexteditor3 libsmokekutils3 libsmokeplasma3 libsnmp30 libsocket6-perl libsub-name-perl libtemplateparser4 libterm-readkey-perl libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
  libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 lintian module-assistant mplayerthumbs myspell-de-de myspell-en-au myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us myspell-pt-br mythes-en-au okular partitionmanager plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-runners-addons plasma-scriptengine-ruby
  plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widget-networkmanagement plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace polkit-kde-1 printer-driver-hpcups printer-driver-hpijs ruby-kde4 ruby-plasma siduction-art-kde siduction-art-kde-onestepbeyond siduction-art-kde-ridersonthestorm
  siduction-art-kdm-onestepbeyond siduction-art-kdm-ridersonthestorm siduction-art-ksplash-onestepbeyond siduction-art-ksplash-ridersonthestorm skanlite systemsettings weechat-plugins weechat-scripts xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev
  xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware yakuake zenity


Quite a lot as you can see.

The best course of action that I can think of at present is to wait, run apt-get update regularly and dist-upgrade when safe.

Unless of course there is another course of action that can be recommended.

Cheers.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: devil on 2013/08/29, 12:09:19
It's the perl transition.
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=31903#31903

greetz
devil
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: Taliesin on 2013/08/30, 06:28:59
Cool thanks Devil.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: spacepenguin on 2013/08/30, 16:09:27
The only annoying effect of 4.11 for me is the slow and ugly start of the desktop after login. Before 4.11 the wallpaper was nicely blended in, now there's just black and the cursor, the the color of desktop - and then together with the start sound the desktop appears. The more desktops I have the longer the black stays. And it doesn't matter if I have the kwin effect for login enabled of not - no change.

Is there maybe something necessary missing, something which still is 4.8 instead of 4.11? Or something which needs to be uninstalled? E.g. libkwineffects1abi3 is still 4.8, as is libkwinglutils1, libkworkspace4abi1 and libkdecorations4 - phonon on 4.6 - does that matter?
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: dibl on 2013/08/30, 17:10:24
I had not noticed that, but today I watched two of my older systems after I logged in, and on one I did see the black screen and cursor for a few seconds before the panel and then the wallpaper appeared.  For example, here is an older laptop, running the nouveau video driver, that does not show your black screen at all:

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System:    Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.10-9.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.1)
           Desktop: KDE 4.11.00 (Qt 4.8.5) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)
Machine:   System: Dell product: Latitude E6500 serial: 7XFD1J1
           Mobo: Dell model: 0PP476 serial: .7XFD1J1.CN129619122714. Bios: Dell version: A14 date: 07/31/2009
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8600 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9575.84
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 2401.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           X.org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 141x38 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:4e:ab:86:7a
           Card-2: Intel 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e ver: 2.3.2-k port: efe0 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:d4:d3:04
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (41.2% used) 1: model: OCZ_VERTEX
Info:      Processes: 160 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 575.5/3948.5MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.8.1
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.45) inxi: 1.9.14


I would guess that your system is very busy doing something immediately after you log in.

-- do you have a lot in ~/.kde/Autostart?

-- under ~/.config?

-- under /etc/rc.local?

Or, if your GPU is an older model with limitations, maybe the new kwin is pushing it harder than it can handle?
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ayla on 2013/08/30, 17:25:26
I have this effect, too, on my system (see below) for about 1 or 2 seconds. I have conky installed and conky is appearing on and with this black background.

It shows not much activity, under 10% on one cpu, I would guess, and all other cpu's on low.

Only thing I have in autostart is conky.

Just for info.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: dibl on 2013/08/30, 18:12:47
@ayla, if you put a "sleep 10" before the conky command in your startup script, you might find that the desktop appears faster, and before the conky appears.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ayla on 2013/08/30, 18:38:14
Hi dibl,

started conky with a script in autostart:

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#!/bin/bash

sleep 10
conky


No significant change. The black screen appears for about a second or a little more (of course now without conky which appears later then).

But I can live with that, I just wanted to give an information with my post above.

Of course I like to test a few things if it is wanted.

Greets
ayla
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: spacepenguin on 2013/08/30, 18:44:35
Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ralul on 2013/08/30, 18:57:16
In folgender Datei eine Zeile mit einem Sleep versehen:
/usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
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Exec=sleep 10 && plasma-desktop

Leider wird kdm nicht mehr gewartet. Das neue sddm ist aber noch nicht fertig. Daher diese Unpässlichkeit ...
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: dibl on 2013/08/30, 19:01:18
Quote from: "spacepenguin"
Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.


It would be interesting to see how it performs with the nouveau driver, although changing video drivers is not my idea of a fun project.

I would suspect you are seeing the limits of your GPU.  I have a netbook with Intel Atom CPU and Intel GPU, and on that one KDE is too heavy -- desktop switching is slow, dolphin takes a long time to open, etc.  So I run LXDE with only 2 desktops on that one.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ReinerS on 2013/08/30, 23:30:50
I have similar experiences with that black screen. I guess it is related to the nvidia-drivers.Other boxes I haveinstalledwith kde and Xorg-drivers (AMD) donot seem to have that behaviour.

regards

Reiner
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: GoinEasy9 on 2013/08/31, 00:33:46
I have seen the black screen also with just gkrellm showing.  I use the nouveau drivers, so it's not just the proprietary drivers.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: spacepenguin on 2013/08/31, 22:56:26
@dibl: Nouveau doesn't work correctly with my GPU, too much graphical glitches. And a dual core CPU and nvidia GF 8400 and 4 GB RAM should be sufficient for KDE 4.11...

@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ralul on 2013/09/01, 13:13:06
Quote from: "spacepenguin"
@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
Vielleicht haben die Ubuntu Maintainer dieses sleep irgendwo eingesetzt ...
Es geht um das ganze Session startup:
Es wird immer komplizierter je mehr KI in den DEs implementiert werden wird. Es gibt schon erste Versuche die SessionStart Sequenz automatisiert zu ordnen per systemd-user.
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: spacepenguin on 2013/09/01, 15:15:37
Der sleep hat geholfen! Vielen Dank, ralul!

Bleibt das jetzt in der Datei - oder ist das nach irgendeinem Paketupdate wieder weg?
Title: KDE SC 4.11.0 core packages available in kdenext/unstable
Post by: ayla on 2013/09/04, 19:05:14
Intermediate black screen is fixed for me with:

http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3781

Thanks Santa!

Greets
ayla