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Offline bullgard4

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Until for two days ago I have manage to d-u every or every second day without loosing any packages that where not changed to new versions ( I know that it's not safe anyway, as this thread says)
[siduction december Xfce amd64 X201] '# apt-get -s dist-upgrade' outputs:
"525 aktualisiert, 62 neu installiert, 45 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:"
It lists 44 libraries plus only one program »xnoise«. I can dispense with xnoise for a while.
Can I dare to dist-upgrade?
« Last Edit: 2015/09/05, 22:37:25 by bullgard4 »

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ja, kannste - und xnoise wird auch nicht wiederkommen, es schwimmt mit dem Bauch nach oben
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yes, you can - and xnoise will don't come back, it's dead as can be.
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author=dibl link=topic=5719.msg47205#msg47205 date=1441464152]


I guess I will have to do the experiment on another hardware platform to sort that out.

OK, a second d-u experience to report, on my main desktop rig.  This one was longer and considerably more difficult, but in the end it is fully upgraded and running a Plasma 5 desktop with no apparent problems.  Here are the highlights:

- at a point very early in the process the configuration of an updated new udev package hung with a "connection timed out" error.  I lost a lot of time trying different apt and dpkg commands to make it proceed before I discovered that systemctl could not tell me anything about my system, nor could it shut my system down.  So there was a major systemd malfunction and there was no way to proceed except to press the reset button, boot a live USB stick and run gparted to check my filesystems, and try a reboot.  It came up all the way to a Plasma 5 desktop which was fairly amazing.  I went back to tty1 and continued the d-u.

- later in the d-u after the big removals, kde-standard, dolphin, and plasma-desktop refused to install or update.  It took a lot dependency chasing and comparisons to my updated Dell laptop to figure out that phonon4qt5 was at the heart of the problem.  I installed phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer and then the others installed including libreoffice.  phonon4qt5-backend-vlc appears to be uninstallable at this moment.  Also don't forget to install systemsettings -- it disappeared during the process and had to be reinstalled.

- the final reboot brought me to a clean default Plasma 5 breeze desktop.  At first I thought was a different behavior than I had on the laptop, but then I realized I had never customized the desktop on the laptop.  Probably it overwrote the old desktop and I did not notice a difference.  But my big rig was highly customized with a slideshow that used webcam images and a desktop cube and login music, so all that has to be redone.

Here are the system specs for this one:

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System:    Host: Hibiscus Kernel: 4.1.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.2.1)
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5 (Qt 5.4.2)
           Distro: siduction 14.1.0 Indian Summer - kde - (201411230337)
Machine:   System: ASUS product: All Series
           Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Z87-WS v: Rev 1.xx
           Bios: American Megatrends v: 2004 date: 06/05/2014
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-4770 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 28022
           clock speeds: max: 3900 MHz 1: 3360 MHz 2: 3399 MHz 3: 3362 MHz 4: 3601 MHz
           5: 3402 MHz 6: 3401 MHz 7: 3400 MHz 8: 3476 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] bus-ID: 05:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.2 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1200@59.88hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 750 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 346.82 Direct Rendering: Yes
Network:   Card-1: Intel I210 Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: igb v: 5.2.15-k port: d000 bus-ID: 07:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
           Card-2: Intel I210 Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: igb v: 5.2.15-k port: a000 bus-ID: 0a:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 3120.7GB (25.4% used) ID-1: model: OCZ
           ID-2: model: OCZ ID-3: model: WDC_WD1001FALS
           ID-4: model: WDC_WD1000DHTZ ID-5: model: WDC_WD1000DHTZ
Info:      Processes: 267 Uptime: 1:02 Memory: 2257.6/7927.6MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.2.1
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421) inxi: 2.2.28


Note that the libstdc++6 transition is only showing 30% complete, so further breakages are likely.
« Last Edit: 2015/09/06, 12:27:25 by dibl »
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yes, you can - and xnoise will don't come back, it's dead as can be.
The dist-ugrade went smoothly. So far everything I tested works all right after the dist-upgrade.
Thank you.

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Debian introduced an extra name ending for packages, which already have transitioned but old libs have to stay:
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apt-cache search 'v5'|sed -n -e's/v5 - .*//p'|while read a;do [ -f "/var/lib/dpkg/info/${a}.md5sums" ]&&echo "avail_v5 $a ${a}v5";done

If you want to d-u probably the old libs are blocking.

aptitude is showing kde-full installable again. (But I have not tested it is runable yet)
« Last Edit: 2015/09/06, 11:51:46 by ralul »
experiencing siduction runs better than my gentoo makes me know I know nothing

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Today I did a full d-u on my other two daily used laptops here. About 45 packages removed, some over 60 new packages, a lot of upgrades and I was to lazy to check if all the removed packages was replaced with new ones. Everything looks fine so far, together with my main laptop we now have three xfce computers fully upgraded.

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I did a dist-upgrade on my workstation today by mistake. I was wanting to upgrade December KDE in VBox to see how that would go. I used the wrong konsole and, doing other things at the same time, when I realized it it was too late. So I got through the dist upgrade, installing ~ 900 packages and rfemoving ~ 90, I could finish the upgrade. Trying to install kde-standard has me running into a wall though. It all boils down to kactivities. It wants to remove kde and other things. So I cannot get plasma-desktop and plasma-workspace installed. So rebooting would leave me with a black screen.


All dependencies of kactivities are installed in the latest version, so I have no clue, where to further investigate. The upgrade in vbox, that I started afterwards went ok. Reboot ended in a black screen, installing kde-standard helped with that. There kactivities got installed fine automaticaly.


Anyone else had encounters of the strange kind with kactivities lately?


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@devil, what does my one liner about 'v5' packages is showing you?
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Built a Thunderstruck - xorg last night, installed today, working nicely using kde-full, will try kde-standard later

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piper_test@x1:~$ inxi -FSystem:    Host: x1 Kernel: 4.1.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5           Distro: siduction 15.1.0 Thunderstruck - xorg - (201509051137)Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: GA-970A-UD3 v: x.x Bios: Award v: F7 date: 10/22/2012CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB            clock speeds: max: 3500 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 2000 MHz 3: 1400 MHz 4: 1400 MHz 5: 1400 MHz 6: 1400 MHzGraphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF106 [GeForce GTS 450]           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.2 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1200@59.95hz           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 450/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 340.76Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF106 High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver: snd_hda_intel           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.1.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169           IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:a5:99:2dDrives:    HDD Total Size: 8001.6GB (24.0% used) ID-1: /dev/sdc model: ST3000DM001 size: 3000.6GB           ID-2: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDS72202 size: 2000.4GB ID-3: /dev/sdb model: ST3000DM001 size: 3000.6GBPartition: ID-1: / size: 50G used: 5.7G (13%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda9           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module presentSensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 27.2C mobo: N/A gpu: 48C           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/AInfo:      Processes: 216 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 964.9/7971.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.28 
Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

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Hab mich jetzt mutig durchgekämpft und ein D-U durchgezogen. Es wurde erst ne menge entfernt, aber ich konnte es danach wieder installieren. Bis auf wenige Programme die ich zur Zeit eher nicht brauche, läuft alles wieder.
Zur Zeit sieht es nun so bei mir mir aus:

 
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Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
  kactivities libavcodec-ffmpeg56 libavfilter-ffmpeg5 libavresample-ffmpeg2 libavutil-ffmpeg54 libqapt3 libswresample-ffmpeg1
  python-xapian synaptic zeitgeist-core
0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 10 nicht aktualisiert.
 

Mal sehen ob ich noch irgendwo Probleme entdecke. Aber im Moment siehts gut aus ;)
*freu*

Achja P.S:
Hab das ohne kdenext durchgezogen ...

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Anyone else had encounters of the strange kind with kactivities lately?


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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy kactivities
kactivities:
  Installed: 5.12.0-siduction1
  Candidate: 5.13.0-1
  Version table:
     5.13.0-1 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
 *** 5.12.0-siduction1 0
        500 http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


So I'm not going to upgrade it yet.


A dependency of a dependency of a dependency of kde-standard is a phonon4qt5 package.  It says you need to install one of the backends and the vlc backend is not installable so you are stuck with the gstreamer backend.  Also, you need to remove kwin and replace it with kwin-x11.  I think that is all you need to do.
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kwin-common kwin-data kwin-x11

root@x1:/home/piper_test# apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc vlc-plugin-notify

 
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Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree       Reading state information... DoneThe following extra packages will be installed:  fonts-freefont-ttf libbasicusageenvironment0 libcddb2 libchromaprint0 libdvbpsi10 libebml4v5 libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1  libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-crypto1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 libfreerdp-locale1.1 libfreerdp-primitives1.1 libfreerdp-utils1.1 libgles1-mesa  libgroupsock1 libiso9660-8 libkate1 liblivemedia23 libmatroska6v5 libproxy-tools libsdl-image1.2 libusageenvironment1 libva-drm1 libvcdinfo0 libvlc5 libvlccore8  libwinpr-crt0.1 libwinpr-crypto0.1 libwinpr-dsparse0.1 libwinpr-environment0.1 libwinpr-file0.1 libwinpr-handle0.1 libwinpr-heap0.1 libwinpr-input0.1  libwinpr-interlocked0.1 libwinpr-library0.1 libwinpr-path0.1 libwinpr-pool0.1 libwinpr-registry0.1 libwinpr-rpc0.1 libwinpr-sspi0.1 libwinpr-synch0.1  libwinpr-sysinfo0.1 libwinpr-thread0.1 libwinpr-utils0.1 vlc vlc-data vlc-noxSuggested packages:  libchromaprint-tools python-acoustid freerdp-x11 videolan-doc libdvdcss2Recommended packages:  vlc-plugin-sambaThe following NEW packages will be installed:  fonts-freefont-ttf libbasicusageenvironment0 libcddb2 libchromaprint0 libdvbpsi10 libebml4v5 libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1  libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-crypto1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 libfreerdp-locale1.1 libfreerdp-primitives1.1 libfreerdp-utils1.1 libgles1-mesa  libgroupsock1 libiso9660-8 libkate1 liblivemedia23 libmatroska6v5 libproxy-tools libsdl-image1.2 libusageenvironment1 libva-drm1 libvcdinfo0 libvlc5 libvlccore8  libwinpr-crt0.1 libwinpr-crypto0.1 libwinpr-dsparse0.1 libwinpr-environment0.1 libwinpr-file0.1 libwinpr-handle0.1 libwinpr-heap0.1 libwinpr-input0.1  libwinpr-interlocked0.1 libwinpr-library0.1 libwinpr-path0.1 libwinpr-pool0.1 libwinpr-registry0.1 libwinpr-rpc0.1 libwinpr-sspi0.1 libwinpr-synch0.1  libwinpr-sysinfo0.1 libwinpr-thread0.1 libwinpr-utils0.1 phonon-backend-vlc vlc vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify0 upgraded, 53 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.Need to get 20.2 MB of archives.After this operation, 71.9 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Works well


« Last Edit: 2015/09/06, 20:30:31 by piper »
Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

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Hmmmm.

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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-get -s install phonon-backend-vlc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 phonon-backend-vlc : Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.


Chasing the dependencies to ...

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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-get -s install libtag1v5-vanilla
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  dolphin juk kde-baseapps kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard libbaloowidgets4
  libkfilemetadata4 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libtag1v5-vanilla
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 9 to remove and 28 not upgraded.
Remv kde-standard [5:89]
Remv kde-plasma-desktop [5:89]
Remv kde-baseapps [4:15.04.3-siduction1]
Remv dolphin [4:15.04.3-siduction1]
Remv juk [4:15.04.3-siduction1]
Remv libbaloowidgets4 [4:4.14.3-siduction1]
Remv libkfilemetadata4 [4:4.14.3-siduction1]
Remv libtag1c2a [1.9.1-2.1]
Remv libtag1-vanilla [1.9.1-2.1]
Inst libtag1v5-vanilla (1.9.1-2.4 Debian:unstable [amd64])
Conf libtag1v5-vanilla (1.9.1-2.4 Debian:unstable [amd64])

Obviously there's more to know about this situation.


@piper, two questions.

(1) Is it a multiarch system?
(2) Are the gstreamer plugins installed?

Here, vlc is not installable for the same reason as above. Kaffeine is sufficient for my purposes.
« Last Edit: 2015/09/06, 22:11:13 by dibl »
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Besides kactivities libtag1v5-vanilla is another endpoint also for me. I spent about 3 hours of chasinf dependencies today to no real avail.


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It is over 24 hours since I did the full dist-upgrade yesterday, so I checked the status of my desktop system just now.


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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-get dist-upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libmsn0.3
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libmsn0.3v5
The following packages have been kept back:
  kactivities libavfilter-ffmpeg5 python-xapian
The following packages will be upgraded:
  aptitude-common cdebootstrap grub-common grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-ia32-bin grub-pc
  grub-pc-bin grub2-common guile-2.0-libs isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common kopete
  kwin-common kwin-data kwin-x11 libkopete4 libkwin4-effect-builtins1 libkwineffects6
  libkwinglutils6 libkwinxrenderutils6 libprocps4 libtbb2 network-manager-openvpn procps
  python-cairo
25 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded.


So here, a newer version of kactivities is being held back by dpkg.
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