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Author Topic:  [closed] Large GCC-5 TRANSITION, Heavy DIST-UPGRADE pending  (Read 80043 times)

Offline dibl

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Santa and others are far more knowledgeable than me, so don't take this as the expert answer.  But it seems to me you want:


plasma-workspace
plasma-desktop
kde-plasma-desktop
kde-standard (or as piper says, it is not essential if you want only a small set of kde packages)
sddm
kde-config-sddm
kwin-x11


This should result in a workable plasma 5 desktop.  system-settings might get removed -- if so, you can reinstall it after you have the others.
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You can add

kde-baseapps
kde-runtime

I use kde-baseapps instead of kde-standard/full (metapackages) and add what I want as individual packages , half the packages in standard/full I don't use/want. I actually only use 6 packages from standard
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Offline jaegermeister

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Many thanks to both :)

It looks like that kde-plasma-desktop is moving more or less all the necessary dependencies, while kde-baseapps giving what is needed. Considering I have both already installed and going to be updated, it looks like my system is already KDE5-ready :) I will anyway wait more in order for other apps (like digikam and gimp) to settle.

Just one thing looks strange (debian package maintainers fault?): while kde-plasma-desktop clearly rdepends on kde-standard or kde-full, it does NOT on kde-baseapps... what the heck?
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Well, on my system, trying to update
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plasma-workspace
plasma-desktop
kde-plasma-desktop
sddm
kde-config-sddm
kwin-x11
kde-baseapps-bin
kde-runtime

apt cries about needing
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plasma-scriptengine-javascript
libopenexr6v5
which are not going to be installed.

Forcing those two then makes the apt complain about libopenexr6v5 conflicting with libopenexr6 and trying to remove that would result in wiping 242 packages.

Simply trying apt-get install plasma-desktop seems it would remove 42 packages, including at least libreoffice, poedit and mysql-workbench. So, no go for me.

Do any of you use libreoffice?

EDIT: forgot to say my system is kdenext enabled.

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If you want to do the upgrade, you'll have to disable kdenext for now.  I don't see a problem with the packages you named:

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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy plasma-scriptengine-javascript 
plasma-scriptengine-javascript:
  Installed: 4:15.08.0-2
  Candidate: 4:15.08.0-2
  Version table:
 *** 4:15.08.0-2 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy libopenexr6v5
libopenexr6v5:
  Installed: 1.6.1-8.1+b2
  Candidate: 1.6.1-8.1+b2
  Version table:
 *** 1.6.1-8.1+b2 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Yes, there will be removals, but then they will be installable again.  Yes, I have LibreOffice 5 installed:

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root@Hibiscus:/# apt-cache policy libreoffice 
libreoffice:
  Installed: 1:5.0.1-1
  Candidate: 1:5.0.1-1
  Version table:
 *** 1:5.0.1-1 0
        500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Again, LibreOffice 4.xx will be ripped out during the d-u, then afterward LO 5 can be installed.Notice that all packages are from Debian sid -- you can't have kdenext enabled to do this.
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Without kdenext

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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy plasma-desktop
plasma-desktop:
  Installed: 4:5.4.1-1
  Candidate: 4:5.4.1-1
  Version table:
 *** 4:5.4.1-1 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy mysql-workbench
mysql-workbench:
  Installed: 6.3.4+dfsg-1+b2
  Candidate: 6.3.4+dfsg-1+b2
  Version table:
 *** 6.3.4+dfsg-1+b2 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libreoffice
libreoffice:
  Installed: 1:5.0.1-1
  Candidate: 1:5.0.1-1
  Version table:
     1:5.0.1-1 0
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
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Ok, thanks guys! :) Will give it a try tomorrow probably.

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What do you think, when a "normal" D-U will work again?

1096 aktualisiert, 123 neu installiert, 89 zu entfernen und 7 nicht aktualisiert.
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@Spike_DE: Never without manual intervention .. :)
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Quote from: Spike_DE
What do you think, when a "normal" D-U will work again?

1096 aktualisiert, 123 neu installiert, 89 zu entfernen und 7 nicht aktualisiert.

That's a tough question to answer ;)


It depends if you use kdenext or not

If you do, I cannot answer that, I don't know what Santa has cooking, it is a lot of work, and people need to be patient with kdenext. Santa has done a great job, he is one man and he *might be waiting for the transition to be over, I cannot speak for him.

You can disable kdenext and go with what debian has for now.

Yes, a lot will be removed, just use kate or something similar to copy & paste from terminal on the output of a dist-upgrade and especially what it wants to remove .

Read this thread to see how others have done it

Post any problems, hiccups, etc ... , can't promise,  but, we can probably get you up and running.

The last option is to wait it out, yes, this will take awhile, but, it is the safest. :)

Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

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Hello,


I have been reading many stupid things about KDE here, I was crystal clear from the beginning:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5719.msg46629#msg46629
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Regarding KDE packaging I have been working with a person from debian and kubuntu's people to make the dist-upgrades safe as soon as possible.
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What to do to "survive gracefully":
Do NOT dist-upgrade after July 31 until you find here further instructions, we will keep you posted.



So please stop misleading users and giving bad advices like the one above (meaning http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5719.msg47413#msg47413), It's not the first time that I see such kind of advices from forum moderators who really know nothing about KDE packaging.



You can disable kdenext and go with what debian has for now.



I was crystal clear about this too:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5719.msg46909#msg46909


P.S.
If you do, I cannot answer that, I don't know what Santa has cooking, it is a lot of work, and people need to be patient with kdenext.
And, last but not least, please stop implying this is a problem specific of kdenext, it's very clear it's a general problem of debian sid.
« Last Edit: 2015/09/18, 02:15:28 by Santa »

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Excuse me GOD !

I have 4 WORKING sid systems WITHOUT KDENEXT

Misleading IS KDENEXT  at this moment (who knows the future)

1127 upgraded, 132 newly installed, 89 to remove and 15 not upgraded.

This is  uncalled for


July 30, 2015 that was posted (last time we heard anything from you)

Until kdenext gets it's SHIT together, WE  can and WILL do, what WE want to do to OUR systems, whether you like it or not, whether you think it's bad advise or not

You have showed us nothing up to this point

I tried being nice in the post above, but, your (this) post blew it.

my dist-upgrade

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Thats also with dmo enabled and these are builds that work also

System:    Host: x1 Kernel: 4.2.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.4.1
           Distro: siduction 15.1.0 Thunderstruck - xorg - (201509110914)

Can you build with kdenext ??     I can't

Yeah, I call that bad advice (yes, it can break in 10 minutes, it's sid)

This ain't about packaging, this is about delivery and what is working and trough the transition

You can't use your system right now

Blow off your steam somewhere else, not here !

Until you have something to show & works

DON'T CALL THIS MISLEADING

You don't need to be a packager or a rocket scientist to see this.



It's not the first time that I have  seen  such a reply from packagers who think they know everything.

In the end, my system works (debian sid)

Does yours ?






Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

Offline sunrat

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Chill pill please. I appreciate Santa's hard work, dedication and advice.
Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate, something like " Workarounds for GCC transition". I appreciate your input as well, piper.
« Last Edit: 2015/09/18, 05:11:44 by sunrat »

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Chill pill please. I appreciate Santa's hard work, dedication and advice.
Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate, something like " Workarounds for GCC transition". I appreciate your input as well, piper.

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Excuse me GOD !

I have 4 WORKING sid systems WITHOUT KDENEXT

Misleading IS KDENEXT  at this moment (who knows the future)

1127 upgraded, 132 newly installed, 89 to remove and 15 not upgraded.

This is  uncalled for


Stop spreading FUD. I was very clear saying that it's being worked on.

July 30, 2015 that was posted (last time we heard anything from you)


No. http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5719.msg46909#msg46909
And it was a direct reply to you, another isssue is if you want to listen or not.

Until kdenext gets it's SHIT together, WE  can and WILL do, what WE want to do to OUR systems, whether you like it or not, whether you think it's bad advise or not

You have showed us nothing up to this point


No. As I said above I was very clear in the first post that the issue with GCC 5 was being worked on, also you can see here a fair number of commits done during all august and part of them during september:
https://gitlab.com/groups/siduction-tools
And this is not the only git repositories I have for siduction.
Another different issue is your ignorance about it.

I tried being nice in the post above, but, your (this) post blew it.


Thanks for showing the true face of some people in siduction who aren't really qualified to give advices about KDE.

my dist-upgrade

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Thats also with dmo enabled and these are builds that work also

System:    Host: x1 Kernel: 4.2.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.4.1
           Distro: siduction 15.1.0 Thunderstruck - xorg - (201509110914)

Can you build with kdenext ??     I can't
My system here works because I followed my own advice of not dist-upgrading siduction KDE systems until the GCC 5 transition is properly settled.


Yeah, I call that bad advice (yes, it can break in 10 minutes, it's sid)

This ain't about packaging, this is about delivery and what is working and trough the transition


Not sure how to reply to this. If the GCC 5 transition and how affects KDE isn't about packaging for you, I don't expect much rationality from you.

You can't use your system right now

Blow off your steam somewhere else, not here !

Until you have something to show & works

DON'T CALL THIS MISLEADING

You don't need to be a packager or a rocket scientist to see this.

Yes, I can use my system (I'm writing using it), your advice of removing kdenext is bad/misleading and the fact that I worked packaging KDE for various distributions in the latest few years is quite helpful to see it.

It's not the first time that I have  seen  such a reply from packagers who think they know everything.

In the end, my system works (debian sid)

Does yours ?


Yes, because I followed my own advice of not dist-upgrading.


P.S. Just for curiosity I tried to dist-upgrade an indiansummer installation without kdenext. I still tries to remove stuff which shoudln't be removed (as expected). Now, if you excuse me I'm going back to work.
« Last Edit: 2015/09/18, 07:16:38 by Santa »