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Title: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: terroreek on 2018/03/30, 13:09:42: Hi All,

I have a fresh patience install an notice that my system was automatically upgrading on its own as well as removing packages that I noticed were flagged earlier as part of auto removes. I noticed there are two timers that run apt-daily.timer and apt-daily-upgrade.timer that run. apt-daily timer seems to just do an apt update and download packages, but apt-daily-upgrade will upgrade and clean.

I am going to disable the apt-daily-upgrade.timer iOr you can stop apt-daily.timer and it will stop the upgrade from running. I am not sure if I just missed a warning and blindly accepted or missed something, but thought I would give anyone else a heads up.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: devil on 2018/03/30, 19:39:34: Do you have the package unattended upgrades installed? And what does
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systemctl status apt-daily.timer tell you?
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: terroreek on 2018/03/30, 20:41:02: well that solves the mystery, I did have unattended-upgrades installed it but I don't know why or how that go installed. I guess I need to pay better attention.

Apt-daily.timer said it downloaded updates, my guess is it did apt update.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: der_bud on 2018/03/31, 11:55:21: Quote from: terroreek on 2018/03/30, 20:41:02
.. I did have unattended-upgrades installed it but I don't know why or how that go installed...
Have a look at the manifest of patience, i.e. at http://ftp.spline.de/mirrors/siduction/iso/patience/kde/amd64_2018-03-07_23-23/siduction-18.2.0-patience-kde-amd64-201803072323.amd64.manifest
unattended-upgrades is now part of the default installation, I guess it was not present in earlier pre-patience times. I think I remember having a crontab for apt-get update in my old installs that was activated per default, not by me.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: terroreek on 2018/03/31, 16:44:33: yeah I would just question how safe the upgrade and cleanup portion of unattended-upgrades is. I am not sure if its a great idea on sid. That said the devs are way smarter than me so if they feel its safe then sure.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: melmarker on 2018/03/31, 16:50:12: First of all - one can configure it - second: it should not be installed (or if installed not be activated) by default - thats the downside of installing meta-packages and/or recommends. So there are two ways to prevent this:
a) find the package which throw in the unattended things and fix it (if unattended-upgrades are a dependency)
b) find the package and if unattended-upgrades are only recommended - forbid the installation in the iso
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: terroreek on 2018/03/31, 19:01:52: Quote from: melmarker on 2018/03/31, 16:50:12
First of all - one can configure it - second: it should not be installed (or if installed not be activated) by default - thats the downside of installing meta-packages and/or recommends. So there are two ways to prevent this:
a) find the package which throw in the unattended things and fix it (if unattended-upgrades are a dependency)
b) find the package and if unattended-upgrades are only recommended - forbid the installation in the iso

I installed a fresh install of Patience and unattended-upgrades was installed by default in a vm. Doing 'apt remove unattended-upgrades' simply removes the package and nothing else.

Now that said doing some digging I found that the apt-daily.service, apt-daily.timer, apt-daily-upgrade.service, and apt-daily-upgrade.timer are installed with apt. pt-daily-upgrade.service, and apt-daily-upgrade.timer are also part of the unattended-upgrades package as well.

Now on my desktop because I don't mind the apt-daily.timer I disabled and masked the apt-daily-upgrade.timer and removed the unattended-upgrades package.

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systemctl stop apt-daily-upgrade.timer systemctl disable apt-daily-upgrade.timer systemctl mask apt-daily-upgrade.service systemctl daemon-reload
As an FYI the mask apt-daily-upgrade.service is done to link the service to /dev/null, even if a service/timer is disabled if its a depencency of another service it could still be started. Masking it ensures it would accidentily upgrade your system without your permission.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: melmarker on 2018/03/31, 21:05:00: ok - i think we should block the unattended-upgrades

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agaida@dell ~ % LANG=C apt rdepends unattended-upgrades unattended-upgrades Reverse Depends: Breaks: python-apt (<< 0.42debian2) Breaks: python-apt (<< 0.42debian2) Depends: plinth Depends: parl-desktop Recommends: education-common Depends: education-common Recommends: python3-software-properties Depends: education-common Depends: plinth Depends: parl-desktop agaida@dell ~ % LANG=C apt rdepends python3-software-properties python3-software-properties Reverse Depends: Depends: software-properties-common (= 0.96.20.2-1) Depends: software-properties-kde (= 0.96.20.2-1) Depends: software-properties-gtk (= 0.96.20.2-1) Replaces: software-properties-common (<< 0.85) Breaks: software-properties-common (<< 0.85) agaida@dell ~ % LANG=C apt rdepends software-properties-kde software-properties-kde Reverse Depends: Depends: apper Recommends: plasma-discover Depends: apper Recommends: plasma-discover Recommends: plasma-discover agaida@dell ~ % LANG=C apt rdepends plasma-discover plasma-discover Reverse Depends: Breaks: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Replaces: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Breaks: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Recommends: plasma-desktop Breaks: appstream (<< 5.8.5-3) Replaces: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Breaks: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Depends: plasma-discover-backend-snap (= 5.12.3-1) Depends: plasma-discover-backend-flatpak (= 5.12.3-1) Recommends: plasma-desktop Suggests: software-properties-kde Replaces: plasma-discover-common (<< 5.7.0-2) Depends: plasma-discover-backend-flatpak (= 5.12.4-1) Depends: plasma-discover-backend-snap (= 5.12.4-1) Breaks: appstream (<< 5.8.5-3) Recommends: plasma-desktop
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: GoinEasy9 on 2018/04/03, 23:05:26: With the new 2018-1 patience install, I have 2 files in /etc/apt/apt-conf.d. One is 20Auto-upgrades, the other is 50unattended-upgrades. 20Auto-upgrades has the boolean for unattended-upgrades.

APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";

These files aren't present in the 2017-1 version of siduction.

Can it be safe to assume that zeroing out Unattended-upgrade will stop it? Today I had 10 minutes of 94% cpu running with "top" showing that it was "unattended-upgrade" causing the problem.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: melmarker on 2018/04/04, 01:57:59: Code: [Select]
apt-file list unattended-upgrades
So purging unattended-upgrades would solve that. Next releases will not contain unattended-upgrades anymore - not the very best idea for unstable.
Title: Re: Installed Paitence and have automatic upgrades Apt-daily-upgrade.timer
Post by: GoinEasy9 on 2018/04/04, 04:59:57: Thank you melmarker

I purged unattended-upgrades, and, to my surprise, 20Auto-upgrades and 50unattended-upgrades, have now disappeared. Wow, purge actually does what you hoped it would. Nice.