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Author Topic: [EN] [solved]no Grub screen with the latest (xfce) iso image on Lenovo E125  (Read 7149 times)

Offline gour

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Hello,

I'd like to migrate from Debian (stable) to siduction, Most of the time I was using Debian Sid, but recently went to the stable in order to reduce possible admin overhead. Distros like openSuse Tumbleweed are not suitable for me - fiddling with 3rd party repos for media stuff etc. So, siduction wit hits btrfs/snapper-rollbacks feature and being community distro looks as the right thing.

Unfortunately, my attempt to test it a bit on my spare machine - old netbook is failure...
Although the same (xfce) iso image does work with my main (bios) machine, it fails on Lenovo E125 netbook - there is no grub screen visible.

The specs of the machine are:

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Lenovo E125-303522U

    Processor. AMD C-50 2 x 1 GHz, Ontario.
    AMD Radeon HD 6250 - shared memory; vom Hauptspeicher bis zu 1972 MB VRAM, Core: 275 MHz, Memory: 533 MHz, 8.813.4.0.
    4 GB. , PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM.
    Display. 11.60 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 pixel, TN, glossy: yes.

I assume it could be due to its (small) screen resolution and hendrikL on #siduction hinted I might need nomodeset variable?

Another idea is to try with some older iso (xfce) image, but could not find any.  :(

Any hint?
« Last Edit: 2023/10/18, 11:10:33 by gour »

Offline unklarer

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Older ISO's can still be found here: https://testbuilds.siduction.org/

You should show the command to better evaluate your problem:
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# parted -l
nomodeset you can run, nothing will break    ;)

Offline gour

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Older ISO's can still be found here: https://testbuilds.siduction.org/

Thank you!

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You should show the command to better evaluate your problem:
Model:  USB  SanDisk 3.2Gen1 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdd: 15,4GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags:

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name                Flags
 1      32,8kB  190kB   158kB                Gap0                hidden, msftdata
 2      190kB   3140kB  2949kB               EFI boot partition  boot, hidden, esp
 3      3140kB  2899MB  2896MB               Gap1                hidden, msftdata

How does it look like?

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nomodeset you can run, nothing will break    ;)

How when I do not get to the Grub menu, iow. with siduction-22 iso I only get to the "Welcome to GRUB" and then the process hangs, while with siduction-23 image I do not even see that title?


Offline unklarer

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Usually you start the machine in question with the siduction-live-iso and show the parted command from it....  or, are you kidding me?

Offline gour

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Usually you start the machine in question with the siduction-live-iso and show the parted command from it....  or, are you kidding me?

No, I'm not kidding you...why should I?

I thought you're interested in the output of cmd to see whether the image was transferred to the stick properly.

Considering I can't start machine with siduction-live-iso, how can I run parted cmd on it?

Offline gour

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I continue my fight with the attempt to boot siduction live-iso on my netbook...tried with some older images, but the best what I get is "Welcome to Grub" and then it hangs.

When I insert my dd-prepared stick into my desktop machine I see the following in dmesg-output:

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[  320.367811] usb 8-1: Product:  SanDisk 3.2Gen1
[  320.367812] usb 8-1: Manufacturer:  USB
[  320.367813] usb 8-1: SerialNumber: 00008724082821101726
[  320.368231] usb-storage 8-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[  320.368504] scsi host13: usb-storage 8-1:1.0
[  321.384257] scsi 13:0:0:0: Direct-Access      USB      SanDisk 3.2Gen1 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
[  321.384605] sd 13:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0
[  321.385309] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] 30031872 512-byte logical blocks: (15.4 GB/14.3 GiB)
[  321.386568] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off
[  321.386573] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
[  321.387594] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[  321.412206] GPT:Primary header thinks Alt. header is not at the end of the disk.
[  321.412211] GPT:6007019 != 30031871
[  321.412213] GPT:Alternate GPT header not at the end of the disk.
[  321.412214] GPT:6007019 != 30031871
[  321.412216] GPT: Use GNU Parted to correct GPT errors.
[  321.412226]  sde: sde1 sde2 sde3
[  321.412593] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk


and wonder whether it is normal?

The fact is that I can boot isos from many different distros (Debian, Fedora, Mint, openSuse, SpiralLinux,...), but the one from siduction  does not work.  :o

Offline unklarer

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The parted command can also be issued by any other Linux...  (debian preferred)

Please give also the machine data for the people who know about EFI: 
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inxi -MGxxx

Offline hendrikL

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Far from the flight, did you try debian stable on that netbook, if you think oder distributions works with it?
Or did you get it to boot with another distribution?

Offline scholle1

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and wonder whether it is normal?
Yes, it is. 
You use a 15.4 GB stick and copy an image that sets its own end at 2.9 GB.

I suspect one of the frequently described problems with Secure Boot and/or the CSM setting in the bios.
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Offline gour

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Far from the flight, did you try debian stable on that netbook, if you think oder distributions works with it?

Yes, debian installer works OK. I had Tumbleweed on that machine recently installed. SpiralLinux iso also does boot. Actually, I never experienced such problem that iso from the stick does not boot,

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Or did you get it to boot with another distribution?

No, I try to boot directly from the stick.

Offline gour

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Yes, it is. 

Good.  ???

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I suspect one of the frequently described problems with Secure Boot and/or the CSM setting in the bios.

In my bios I've settings to use legacy/uefi/both and something does happen (I can see "Welcome to Grub") only when it is set to 'uefi'.


Offline scholle1

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Have you verified your download from isobuilds.siduction.org/ or testbuilds.siduction.org/ with the checksums provided?
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Offline gour

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Have you verified your download from isobuilds.siduction.org/ or testbuilds.siduction.org/ with the checksums provided?

Yes. Let me add that e.g. newest iso boots normally on my main desktop bios/gpt machine, but before migrating to Siduction I'd like to test it a bit on the spare (uefi) machine which is problematic.  :(

Offline ro_sid

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How old is your netbook, meaning, can it handle GPT partitioned media (at all)?
The debian (live) ISOs are classical mbr partitioned or (Apple) MAC partitioned.

Sorry, forget my question. When it is "secure boot" capable it must understand GPT.
« Last Edit: 2023/10/16, 17:28:04 by ro_sid »

Offline gour

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How old is your netbook, meaning, can it handle GPT partitioned media (at all)?

Sure it can...actually I've, due to some bug in bios, problem using bios/gpt, but uefi does work well.