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Title: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: orinoco on 2017/03/12, 12:19:02: Hello,

Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't work anymore. The display stays in graphic mode and no mouse cursor is visible. First I thought the computer has crashed, but with Ctrl+Alt+F7 the mouse cursor comes back.

I saw this behavior on my desktop (radeon + kscreen dual head) a few days before. Now with another system (intel + kscreen dual head) too. Is this a known problem?
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: drb on 2017/03/12, 14:23:06: It works fine here.

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System: Host: siductionbox Kernel: 4.10.1-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 6.3.0) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.4 Distro: siduction 15.1.0 White Room - kde - (201511051400) Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z97X-UD5H v: x.x BIOS: American Megatrends v: F7 date: 05/30/2014 CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-4790 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 28811 clock speeds: max: 4000 MHz 1: 2100 MHz 2: 843 MHz 3: 799 MHz 4: 865 MHz 5: 800 MHz 6: 801 MHz 7: 932 MHz 8: 807 MHz Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes Network: Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 74:d4:35:ea:b0:d5 Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: alx port: e000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: 74:d4:35:ea:b0:d7 Drives: HDD Total Size: 6513.3GB (49.6% used) ID-1: model: ST2000DM001 ID-2: model: Crucial_CT512MX1 ID-3: model: ST2000DM001 ID-4: model: ST2000DM001 Info: Processes: 262 Uptime: 4:19 Memory: 1971.6/15712.1MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 6.3.0 Client: Shell (bash 4.4.111) inxi: 2.3.5
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: dibl on 2017/03/12, 16:31:31: Haven't seen the issue on:

2 different Intel GPU platforms
1 Nvidia GPU running nouveau
1 Nvidia GPU running the blob
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: orinoco on 2017/03/12, 16:41:24: ...as I expected. If I look back to the other problems I posted here in the past, I'm nearly alone with my strange topics (and I'm not posting all of them). Maybe time to do a reinstall after all these years (2013).
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: OppaErich on 2017/03/12, 17:38:44: DELETED for O.E. :)
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: orinoco on 2017/03/15, 23:07:18: I'm not sure, but I guess that kscreen causes the problem here. I can reproduce the problem with my notebook and a second display connected to the docking-station: ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work. The same notebook in stand-alone mode: ctrl+alt+f1 works.

Unfortunately I can't find any clue in the logs.
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: absolut on 2017/03/16, 15:39:42: just another idea as food for thought:
could this behavior related to the number of virtual terminals running on that system?
i remember that there is the option to define the number of VTs in /etc/systemd/logind.conf

best
absolut
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/03/25, 15:51:34: @orinoco
Exactly the same problem here (intel graphic, twin monitors).
Just discovered your post ;-( ; I posted on the same problem in software support _tty: ctrl+alt+F1-6 does not work_, but I don't know how to merge my post in this thread (would like to know that!).

jyp
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: Pip on 2017/03/25, 17:32:10: Really, sincerely apologize if this is too obvious, but on my system I have an external keyboard with an F-Lock button. This is not activated by default. Unless I push it, I can't get Ctrl-Alt-F1. Is there anything similar on your set ups? Maybe a new installation threw the default out?
Off to hide in a corner now.

--

Pip
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: melmarker on 2017/03/25, 18:06:16: @Pip - it isn't - i've seen some people searching an activated caps lock or even better a activated virtual numblock for hours (login failed 8))
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: orinoco on 2017/03/28, 21:58:55: Raise hands please. Who fixed it? I ran a remote d-u this weekend and today I'm sitting in front of this system (dual-head, radeon hardware & driver) and Ctrl+Alt+F1 works again.
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: newcomer on 2017/03/29, 17:13:33: Orinoco, as your install seems to be quite dated, it might well be that your issue is related to an incomplete systemd-transition. I had same issue some time ago, the following fixed it:
apt install systemd-sysv (this replaces systemd-shim which might still be on your system due to incomplete transition in 2014/2015, evl. you might need to purge systemd-shim). Hope this is the correct hint.

Cheers
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/03/30, 18:38:52: No luck here. The problem is still there.
Any clue?
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System: Host: omega Kernel: 4.10.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.6 Distro: siduction 17.1.0 Patience - kde - (201703051755) Machine: Device: desktop System: ASUS product: All Series Mobo: ASUSTeK model: SABERTOOTH Z87 v: Rev 1.xx BIOS: American Megatrends v: 1803 date: 02/17/2014 CPU: Quad core Intel Core i5-4670K (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB clock speeds: max: 3800 MHz 1: 3185 MHz 2: 1820 MHz 3: 1798 MHz 4: 1640 MHz Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1200@59.95hz GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
Thanks.
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: orinoco on 2017/03/30, 22:06:42: newcomer, thanks for your advice. Are you sure that this is necessary on my system?

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orinoco@jake:~$ LANG=C apt policy systemd-sysv systemd-sysv Installed: 232-22 Candidate: 232-22 Version table: *** 232-22 500 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status orinoco@jake:~$ LANG=C apt policy systemd-shim systemd-shim: Installed: (none) Candidate: 10-3 Version table: 10-3 500 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
But I found the reason why it worked.

I've booted my computer with one monitor (dvi -> second display) till sddm pops up without thinking about it. Ctrl+Alt+F1 worked. Horray. Than I switched the second monitor (display-port -> main-display) on. Ctrl+Alt+F1 still worked, even with plasma-shell. Horray again.

But when I wrote about this success, I haven't recognized this circumstances.

Today booted my computer with both monitors switched on and? Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't work. Ahhh.

But than I realized the monitor thing and reproduced it with success. I will check this in the other direction, too.

jyp, can you repeat my way, please?
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: melmarker on 2017/03/30, 22:20:30: @orinoco: if your system is >= 2013-2 it is very unlikely that there was a transition ever ...
@newcomer: https://news.siduction.org/2013/12/release-notes-for-siduction-2013-2-with-systemd/
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/04/01, 18:07:42: Still no luck here; problem persists.
I tried
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~$ chvt 1 Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
I tried the same command as root; I get stuck with a dead desktop (like frozen) until I do ctrl+alt+F7 to get it functional again.

Always in a twin monitor setup of course.

Any clue?

Thanks
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jure on 2017/04/01, 20:09:38: Hi jyp

my system is quit similar, but I use the intel driver

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apt policy xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-intel: Installiert: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 Installationskandidat: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
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ystem: Host: siductionbox Kernel: 4.10.8-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 6.3.0) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.6 (Qt 5.7.1) Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P8Z77-M v: Rev 1.xx BIOS: American Megatrends v: 2203 date: 12/18/2015 CPU: Quad core Intel Core i5-3570 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 27289 clock speeds: max: 3800 MHz 1: 1603 MHz 2: 1682 MHz 3: 1613 MHz 4: 1641 MHz Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1200@59.95hz GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/04/01, 20:36:12: I guess that you don't have the same problem with the intel driver. Am I right?

The installation is pretty recent and it seems that the installer choose to use _modesetting_ in spite of the fact that, as in your case, the intel driver is installed.

However, I have no clue how to change the driver ;-(
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~$ apt policy xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-intel: Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
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System: Host: omega Kernel: 4.10.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.6 Distro: siduction 17.1.0 Patience - kde - (201703051755) Machine: Device: desktop System: ASUS product: All Series Mobo: ASUSTeK model: SABERTOOTH Z87 v: Rev 1.xx BIOS: American Megatrends v: 1803 date: 02/17/2014 CPU: Quad core Intel Core i5-4670K (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB clock speeds: max: 3800 MHz 1: 1498 MHz 2: 1226 MHz 3: 1496 MHz 4: 1501 MHz Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1200@59.95hz GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
Thanks
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jure on 2017/04/01, 20:51:04: have you tried

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cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf Section "Device" Identifier "Intel" Driver "intel" Option "DRI" "3" EndSection
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/04/01, 21:09:25: Thanks @jure

The file _20-intel.conf_ doesn't exist on my system.
Should I create it and polulate it like yours?

I wonder why the install process didn't choose the intel driver in the first place. To be honest, playing around with the X setup makes me a bit uncomfortable. This system is my working computer, not a test machine. Nevertheless, not having access to a tty can be very very annoying sometimes.

jyp
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: absolut on 2017/04/01, 21:18:11: jyp,

as an entry point for understanding the reason would be this:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX

best
absolut
Title: Re: Can't switch from graphics to console
Post by: jyp on 2017/04/01, 21:29:33: @absolut

Thanks a lot.
Still hoping for a cure to that problem though; I googled it a lot but didn't find anytthing,

jyp