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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: melmarker on 2016/11/01, 17:19:51
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As the topic said, the Qt 5.7.1 transision has started and the first packages will hit sid soon - so please be carefull.
It will take slightly more packages with it in a KDE installation:
http://paste.debian.net/891445/
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Be careful anyway ´til 05.11.2016, this is the next freeze.
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5. November is only the start of the transition freeze, soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations) starts on 5. Jan. and full freeze on 5. Feb. 2017.
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Additional - planned and acked ongoing transitions are allowed after 2016/11/05 - so this date don't mean: "Fine, i can hit <Enter> without thinking until freeze is over" - transition freeze means only that there will be no new packages that introduce abi or api changes. Also normal dependencies can and will break things
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Thanks for the info.
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"Fine, I can hit <Enter> without thinking until freeze is over" LOL!
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NOT
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This evening d-u succeeded without any package removals!
But: Login by sddm not possible, login mask disappeared, KDE Plasma not usable
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Yes, no packages to remove does not mean there is no breakage.
So the warning is still up!
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Thanks for this clear advice!
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"He's dead, Jim!"
okay, that's what test machines can do for us:
At least after a "dpkg-reconfigure plasma-desktop" I got to the point that the splash screen freezes.
only yakuake still works, but I couldn't start any other graphical apps.
greetings
musca
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Everything works ... but, no taskbar, quicklaunch
conky and wbar on the desktop, I pretty much open everything with wbar, (konq, dolphin, firefox, thunderbird, mythtv, amarok, systemsettings) no problems with yakuake
(http://pipersid.net/myshit/linux/images/thumb-desktop.png) (http://pipersid.net/myshit/linux/images/desktop.png)
EDIT: I also have no problems with sddm
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The problem is that a lot of qt5-packages are already on v. 5.7.1-206110-21-n (where n is 2, 4 or 5). But not all qt5-packages are on that version yet. Specialy the qml-related ones are not. You can check with
dpkg -l | grep qt5 A solution would be to downgrade all packages with 5.7.1-206110-21-n (where n is 2, 4 or 5) to testing or just wait it out (which could be a few days).
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Missed the warnings after being away for a week so, yesterday, ended up with a box that froze on desktop start up.
d-u today seems to have solved the problem for me
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Same here. Missed the warning but with today dist-upgrade everything seems to be ok again.
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A lot of talk about KDE here, nothing wrong with that but is it ok to d-u xfce now?
I have one package that will be removed, libqt5xdg1, it has been the same the last days, same package to be removed.
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Confirm that: d-u today seems to have solved the problem for me.
@vilde: hijacking this thread is not appreciated - pls open a new thread.
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Two KF5/plasma5 systems (1 laptop, 1 desktop) fully updated today, no problems on either one.
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vilde: let it go
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I had no problems after today's d-u in a virtual siduction system (KDE).
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Thank you melmarker. By the way, I'm not able to quote posts here, when I press quote I just return to the same side again.
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I can't confirm this. My testsystem (paintitblack plain install, only d-u, no further usage) shows no window decoration. My notebook with intel onboard-graphics still freezes, crashes and now a black screen after starting plasma. My main desktop hasn't been upgraded since two weeks to preserve one working system. I'm little bit unhappy with the current situation...
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The situation has been resolved. You need to dist-upgrade. If you have libqt5qml5 version 5.7.1~20161021-5 available, you are fine. If not, your mirror is slow.
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Thanks devil,
my last d-u on the notebook was yesterday evening. Now the plasma desktop is back with d-u five minutes ago. But my testsystems has still no window decoration.
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Than that would be a seperate issue. Is kwin-x11 installed? Does installing kde-standard do anything?
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Two days ago SDDM broke and I couldn't get into KDE. After yesterday's du, everything is working great again. Are we still needing to watch for the qt transition?
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The situation has been resolved. ... If not, your mirror is slow.
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It's done (all but one package on architectures we do not use')
https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-7-1.html
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Today made an d-u on 2 KDE systems here. All is running fine and up to now no errors found!
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@zash1958 - don't give up and trust me - you will find some soon or later 8)
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;D
ALL software is buggy - You have only not discovered the disaster up to now 8)
Nevertheless I'm happy that my system is booting and running after the upgrade
Before an d-u I always make a complete backup.......
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@Devil
Thanks again. kwin-x11 and some dependencies were missing.
I don't understand why it is not a dependency to kde-standard, but I bet there will be a beautiful mind to tell why I'm wrong.
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Thats easy - nothin depend on kwin-x11 | kwin - so you can happily purge it or loose it while upgrading the machine. That's all, nothing to see ...
$ aptitude show plasma-desktop
Paket: plasma-desktop
Version: 4:5.8.2-1
Zustand: nicht installiert
Priorität: optional
Bereich: kde
Verwalter: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
Architektur: amd64
Unkomprimierte Größe: 8.525 k
Hängt ab von: breeze, kactivitymanagerd, kde-cli-tools, kded5, kio, oxygen-sounds,
plasma-desktop-data (= 4:5.8.2-1), plasma-framework, plasma-integration,
plasma-workspace, polkit-kde-agent-1, qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop,
qml-module-org-kde-kcoreaddons, qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols,
qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons, qml-module-org-kde-kwindowsystem,
qml-module-org-kde-solid, qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel,
qml-module-qt-labs-settings, libc6 (>= 2.15), libcanberra0 (>= 0.2),
libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libkf5activities5 (>= 5.21.0),
libkf5activitiesstats1 (>= 5.20), libkf5archive5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5auth5
(>= 4.96.0), libkf5baloo5 (>= 5.15.0), libkf5bookmarks5 (>= 4.96.0),
libkf5codecs5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5completion5 (>= 4.97.0), libkf5configcore5
(>= 5.24.0), libkf5configgui5 (>= 5.25.0), libkf5configwidgets5 (>=
5.7.0+git20150228.0110+15.04), libkf5coreaddons5 (>=
5.4.0+git20141202.0008+15.04), libkf5dbusaddons5 (>= 4.99.0),
libkf5emoticons-bin, libkf5emoticons5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5globalaccel5 (>=
5.10.0), libkf5guiaddons5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5i18n5 (>= 5.0.0),
libkf5iconthemes5 (>= 5.0.0), libkf5itemmodels5 (>= 5.14.0),
libkf5itemviews5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5jobwidgets5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5kcmutils5
(>= 4.96.0), libkf5kdelibs4support5 (>= 4.99.0), libkf5kiocore5 (>= 5.2.0),
libkf5kiofilewidgets5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5kiowidgets5 (>= 5.24.0),
libkf5newstuff5 (>= 5.27.0-1), libkf5notifications5 (>=
5.3.0+git20141030.0311), libkf5notifyconfig5 (>= 5.24.0), libkf5parts5 (>=
4.96.0), libkf5people5, libkf5peoplewidgets5, libkf5plasma5 (>= 5.2.0),
libkf5plasmaquick5 (>= 4.98.0), libkf5quickaddons5 (>=
5.8.0+git20150324.0130+15.04), libkf5runner5 (>= 5.24.0), libkf5service-bin,
libkf5service5 (>= 5.2.0+git20140930), libkf5solid5 (>= 4.97.0),
libkf5sonnetui5 (>= 4.96.0), libkf5wallet-bin, libkf5wallet5 (>= 4.96.0),
libkf5widgetsaddons5 (>= 5.3.0+git20141027.0844), libkf5windowsystem5 (>=
5.25.0), libkf5xmlgui5 (>= 4.98.0), libkfontinst5, libkfontinstui5,
libkworkspace5-5 (>= 4:5.8.1), libpackagekitqt5-0, libphonon4qt5-4 (>=
4:4.8.0), libpulse-mainloop-glib0 (>= 0.99.1), libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1),
libqt5concurrent5 (>= 5.6.0~rc), libqt5core5a (>= 5.6.0~beta), libqt5dbus5
(>= 5.5.0~), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.5.0~), libqt5network5 (>= 5.5.0~),
libqt5printsupport5 (>= 5.5.0~), libqt5qml5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5quick5 (>=
5.6.1), libqt5quickwidgets5 (>= 5.4.0), libqt5sql5 (>= 5.5.0~), libqt5svg5
(>= 5.6.0~beta), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.5.0~), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.6.0),
libqt5xml5 (>= 5.5.0~), libscim8v5 (>= 1.4), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2),
libtaskmanager6 (>= 4:5.8.1), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.2.99.901), libx11-xcb1,
libxcb-record0, libxcb-xkb1, libxcb1, libxcursor1 (> 1.1.2), libxfixes3,
libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4), libxkbfile1, phonon4qt5
Empfiehlt: bluedevil, fonts-noto, fonts-oxygen, gtk3-engines-breeze, kde-config-gtk-style,
kde-config-screenlocker, kde-config-sddm, kde-style-oxygen-qt5, kgamma5,
khelpcenter, khotkeys, kinfocenter, kio-extras, kmenuedit, kscreen,
ksshaskpass, ksysguard, kwin-x11 | kwin, kwrited, libpam-kwallet5,
plasma-discover, plasma-pa, powerdevil, sni-qt, systemsettings, user-manager
Beschädigt: baloo-kf5 (< 5.5), kactivities, kde-config-touchpad (< 4:5),
kde-workspace-bin, kde-workspace-data, plasma-widget-kimpanel
Ersetzt: baloo-kf5 (< 5.5), kactivities, kde-config-touchpad (< 4:5), kde-workspace-bin,
kde-workspace-data, plasma-widget-kimpanel
Beschreibung: Werkzeuge und Widgets für die Arbeitsfläche
Plasma Desktop bietet eine gut aussehende Arbeitsfläche, die moderne Computertechnik
vollständig nutzt. Durch den Einsatz von visuellen Effekten und skalierbaren Grafiken
wird der Desktop nicht nur als glatt, sondern auch als angenehm für das Auge erlebt. Die
Ansichten (»looks«) von Plasma Desktop sind nicht nur schön, sondern werden auch zur
effektiven Unterstützung und Verbesserung Ihrer Computer-Aktivitäten eingesetzt - ohne
dabei zu stören.
Dieses Paket ist Bestandteil von KDE Plasma.
Homepage: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/plasma-desktop
Markierungen: implemented-in::c++, interface::graphical, interface::x11, role::plugin,
role::program, suite::kde, uitoolkit::qt, x11::application
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d-u worked for me all good.
Thank heavens for threads such as this.
Saves a lot of headaches.
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Thats easy - nothin depend on kwin-x11
Thanks you, Captain Obvious,
that is what I expected.
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no - it isn't so obvious - kwin-x11 | kwin means that there are a few packages that are (or at least should be) interchangable. And debian install with recommends, so a package that provide kwin should be installed if one install plasma-desktop. That make changes less painfull.
But it might be painful for users if the package is removed by a transition and $user don't notice it. Thats the funny thing about sid. Things can and will break, that will never happend in a stable environment.
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What is the current status here? Can this be marked as "Done"?
I was checking https://release.debian.org/transitions/ (https://release.debian.org/transitions/) but couldn't find something.
But in my current setup a du would case to remove libmovit4 libqt5xdg1 texlive-math-extra.
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piper@x1:~$ apt policy libmovit4 libqt5xdg1 texlive-math-extra
libmovit4:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 1:1.3.2-dmo1
Version table:
1:1.3.2-dmo1 500
500 http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid/main amd64 Packages
1.3.2-1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
libqt5xdg1:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version table:
texlive-math-extra:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version table:
piper@x1:~$
* Note * the dmo1 = deb-multimedia.org
https://packages.debian.org/sid/libmovit4
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Hi piper,
thanks for youranswer but I don't see what you want to tell me.
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He' showing that he let all of those go, so it should be safe to do the same. (I know that tetex-math-extra has been incorporated in a different package.)
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Thanks finotti ;)
buhtz, I really didn't know I had to spell it out with 2 of the packages listed giving the results of
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
In the future, if you see the no candidate, it means it doesn't exist in debian sid (could be a name change, could be joined in a meta package)