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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: devil on 2020/10/27, 14:06:42
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Tomorrow or Thursday we will see the start of the transition to Qt 5.15.1, followed by the upload of Plasma 5.19,x to unstable, with Plasma 5.20 not too far behind.
It is a good idea to lay off dist-upgrading, until these tasks are complete. If you need to upgrade, be extremely careful. I will let you know when everything is complete.
Morgen oder Donnerstag werden wir den Beginn der Transition zu Qt 5.15.1 sehen, gefolgt vom Hochladen von Plasma 5.19.x nach Unstable, gefolgt von Plasma 5.20 etwas später.
Es ist eine gute Idee, mit dist-upgrades zu warten, bis diese Aktionen abgeschlossen sind. Wenn ihr upgraden müsst, seid äußerst vorsichtig. Ich werde Bescheid geben, wenn alles abgeschlossen ist.
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The transition bug and tracker!
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=972278
https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-15-1.html
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Thanks, devil, for the heads up!
I wonder why not go straight to Plasma 5.20, though... It will be nice to have a newer Plasma anyway.
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Probably because 5.19 is already waiting in experimental and 5.20 still needs some work, that can only begin, once Qt 5.15.x is in Unstable.
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Bei mir ist heute das QT-Update mit der Transition zu QT 5.15.1 mit insgesamt über 200 Aktualisierungen ohne Probleme und ohne Deinstallationen durchgegangen und mein System funktioniert auch nach einem Reboot wie zuvor.
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Hello
Just a upgrade gives me
Nach dieser Operation werden 955 MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
(After upgrade 955 MB space is needed)
Unfortunately I have only 1.6 GB space left on /.
Does it make sense to create a temporarily link of /var/cache/apt to a free partition
or is there a more easy way to do the update-process in two steps .
Hallo
Nur ein Upgrade gibt mir;
Nach dieser Operation werden 955 MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
Leider habe ich nur noch 1,6 GB Platz auf /.
Macht es Sinn, einen temporären Link von /var/cache/apt auf eine freie Partition anzulegen
oder gibt es einen einfacheren Weg, den Update-Prozess in zwei Schritten durchzuführen ?
Regards
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Could you use a partition editor (gparted, Parted Magic, etc.) to rearrange the partition boundaries?
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Thank you
As it is a encrypted file system that is - unfortunately - not possible.
Regards
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Is it really done? My system still shows all Plasma stuff to be removed...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
accountwizard akonadiconsole akregator aptosid-settings-kde artikulate bluedevil bomber bovo breeze cadence cadence-data
cadence-tools calibre carla-git catia claudia digikam digikam-private-libs dolphin elisa granatier gwenview hplip-gui jalv k3b
kaddressbook kalarm kalgebra kalgebra-common kamoso kanagram kapman kate katomic kbattleship kblackbox kblocks kbounce kbreakout
kde-baseapps kde-cli-tools kde-config-screenlocker kde-config-tablet kde-plasma-desktop kde-spectacle kde-style-oxygen-qt5
kde-window-manager kdeconnect kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdenlive kdepim kdepim-addons kdepim-doc
kdiamond kfourinline kget kgoldrunner khangman kigo killbots kiriki kjumpingcube kleopatra klickety klines kmahjongg kmail
kmines kmix knavalbattle knemo knetwalk knights knotes kolf kollision konq-plugins konqueror konquest konsolekalendar kontact
korganizer kpat krdc kreversi krita kscreen kshisen ksirk ksnakeduel kspaceduel ksquares ksudoku ktorrent ktouch ktouch-data
ktuberling kubrick kwin-addons kwin-common kwin-x11 libanalitzagui7 libanalitzaplot7 libanalitzawidgets7 libcolorcorrect5
libk3b7 libkdecorations2private5v5 libkf5akonadisearch-plugins libkf5calendarcore5 libkf5calendarcore5abi1
libkf5calendarsupport5abi1 libkf5declarative5 libkf5eventviews5abi1 libkf5gravatar5abi2 libkf5incidenceeditor5abi1
libkf5kaddressbookimportexport5 libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdegames6 libkf5kdegames7 libkf5kdegamesprivate1 libkf5kdgantt2-5
libkf5kipi31.0.0 libkf5ksieveui5 libkf5mailcommon5abi2 libkf5mailimporter5 libkf5messagecomposer5abi1 libkf5messagecore5abi1
libkf5messagelist5abi1 libkf5messageviewer5abi1 libkf5mimetreeparser5 libkf5pimcommon-plugins libkf5pimcommon5abi2
libkf5pimcommonakonadi5abi1 libkf5plasma5 libkf5plasmaquick5 libkf5purpose-bin libkf5purpose5 libkf5quickaddons5 libkf5runner5
libkf5templateparser5 libkf5webengineviewer5abi1 libkpimimportwizard5 libkscreenlocker5 libkwin4-effect-builtins1
libkwineffects6 libkwinglutils6 libkwinxrenderutils6 liblegacytaskmanager5 libokular5core7 libqt5gui5 libqt5multimediaquick-p5
libqt5opengl5 libqt5quick5 libqtavwidgets1 libtaskmanager5 libweather-ion7 lskat milou okular palapeli parley
phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer picard picmi plasma-dataengines-addons plasma-desktop plasma-discover plasma-framework
plasma-integration plasma-pa plasma-runners-addons plasma-sdk plasma-wallpapers-addons plasma-widgets-addons plasma-workspace
pyqt5-dev-tools python3-pyqt5 python3-pyqt5.qtmultimedia python3-pyqt5.qtopengl python3-pyqt5.qtpositioning
python3-pyqt5.qtquick python3-pyqt5.qtsql python3-pyqt5.qtsvg python3-pyqt5.qtwebchannel python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine
python3-pyqt5.qtwebkit python3-pyqt5.qtwebsockets python3-pyqt5.qtxmlpatterns python3-qtawesome python3-qtconsole python3-qtpy
python3-spyder qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop qml-module-org-kde-games-core qml-module-org-kde-kcm qml-module-org-kde-kconfig
qml-module-org-kde-kcoreaddons qml-module-org-kde-kio qml-module-org-kde-kirigami qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols
qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons qml-module-org-kde-kwindowsystem qml-module-org-kde-purpose qt5-default qtbase5-dev
qtdeclarative5-kf5declarative qtractor qttools5-dev rocs sddm-theme-breeze software-properties-kde spyder spyder3 step suil-libs
systemsettings trimage wineasio wineasio-data
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libqt5gui5-gles libqt5quick5-gles unison-2.51+4.11.1 unison-2.51+4.11.1-gtk
The following packages have been kept back:
libllvm9
The following packages will be upgraded:
akonadi-backend-sqlite akonadi-server calibre-bin console-setup console-setup-linux cpp-10 distro-info-data fonts-opensymbol
g++-10 gcc-10 gcc-10-base gcc-10-base:i386 gir1.2-ibus-1.0 guile-2.2-libs ibus ibus-data ibverbs-providers
keyboard-configuration krfb kwin-data libanalitza8 libanalitzagui8 libanalitzaplot8 libanalitzawidgets8 libasan6 libatomic1
libatomic1:i386 libcc1-0 libcharls2 libclang1-9 libevdev2 libgcc-10-dev libgcc-s1 libgcc-s1:i386 libgfortran5 libgomp1
libgomp1:i386 libibus-1.0-5 libibverbs1 libimage-exiftool-perl libitm1 libkf5akonadiagentbase5 libkf5akonadicore5abi2
libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2 libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1 libkf5akonadixml5 libkf5compactdisc5 libkf5xmlgui5 libkwineffects12
libkwinglutils12 libkwinxrenderutils12 libldap-2.4-2 libldap-2.4-2:i386 libldap-common libllvm10 libllvm10:i386 liblsan0
libobjc4 libomp5-9 libpmem1 libqpdf28 libqt5charts5 libqt5concurrent5 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5
libqt5designercomponents5 libqt5help5 libqt5location5 libqt5multimedia5 libqt5multimedia5-plugins libqt5multimediagsttools5
libqt5multimediaquick5 libqt5multimediawidgets5 libqt5network5 libqt5networkauth5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5positioningquick5
libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5qmlmodels5 libqt5qmlworkerscript5 libqt5quickcontrols2-5 libqt5quickparticles5
libqt5quickshapes5 libqt5quicktemplates2-5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5script5 libqt5scripttools5 libqt5sensors5 libqt5serialport5
libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-mysql libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5svg5 libqt5svg5-dev libqt5test5 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5webchannel5
libqt5webengine-data libqt5webengine5 libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5websockets5
libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5 libqt5xmlpatterns5 libqtav1 libquadmath0 librdmacm1 libreoffice-base-core
libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-help-common libreoffice-help-en-us
libreoffice-impress libreoffice-l10n-de libreoffice-math libreoffice-style-colibre libreoffice-writer libruby2.7
libstdc++-10-dev libstdc++6 libstdc++6:i386 libsvn1 libtsan0 libubsan1 libudfread0 libuno-cppu3 libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3
libuno-purpenvhelpergcc3-3 libuno-sal3 libuno-salhelpergcc3-3 libuv1 libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-driver-qemu
libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-daemon-system-systemd libvirt0 libxml2 libxml2:i386 libxml2-dev libxml2-utils
python3-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5 python3-ibus-1.0 python3-libxml2 python3-pil python3-pil.imagetk qdbus-qt5 qdoc-qt5
qhelpgenerator-qt5 qml-module-org-kde-analitza qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel qml-module-qt-labs-platform
qml-module-qt-labs-settings qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects qml-module-qtmultimedia qml-module-qtqml qml-module-qtqml-models2
qml-module-qtqml-statemachine qml-module-qtquick-controls qml-module-qtquick-controls2 qml-module-qtquick-dialogs
qml-module-qtquick-extras qml-module-qtquick-layouts qml-module-qtquick-particles2 qml-module-qtquick-privatewidgets
qml-module-qtquick-shapes qml-module-qtquick-templates2 qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 qml-module-qtwebengine
qml-module-qtwebkit qt5-assistant qt5-qmake qt5-qmake-bin qtattributionsscanner-qt5 qtbase5-dev-tools qtspeech5-speechd-plugin
qttools5-dev-tools ruby2.7 ruby2.7-dev subversion subversion-tools tmux unison unison-gtk uno-libs-private ure
194 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 223 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/469 MB of archives.
After this operation, 143 MB disk space will be freed.
Download complete and in download only mode
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my KDE system
apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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Thanks for the reply!
My system (this is an old aptosid installation still rolling) had a package qt5-default installed, and it had a conflict with the new Qt. Removing makes the update not remove anything.
Thanks again!
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Hallo
Dist-upgrade ist nun erfolgreich durchgelaufen.
Wo kommen nun die 900 MB Datenvolumen her - kann ich etwas (altes) löschen?
Hello
Dist-upgrade has now been successfully completed.
Where do the 900 MB data volumes come from now - can I delete something (old)?
Regards
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# apt clean
to delete the downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives.
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Hello and thank you
Thank you for your suggestions.
That was it what I did already.
But where do the (about) 900 MB more on / do come from?
The system announced before:
"Nach dieser Operation werden 955 MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
(After upgrade 955 MB space is needed) "
Only the upgrade?
Regards
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Only the upgrade?
Yes. Two points:
1. apt does not know whether you will use "apt clean". It only knows how much space the download will use.
2. Upgraded package size is not guaranteed to be the same as installed package size. :)
EDIT: Under /lib/modules you might find some things you don't need any more, if you have been running your siduction installation for some years. ;)
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@tomsiduction,
I suspect the reason is the "memory hunger" of the updated Debian packages gcc-10, cpp-10 and g++-10.
Compare:
Package: gcc-10
Version: 10.2.0-16 Version: 10.2.0-15
Installed Size: 340 MB Installed Size: 58.8 MB
Package: cpp-10
Version: 10.2.0-16 Version: 10.2.0-15
Installed-Size: 312 MB Installed-Size: 28,9 MB
Package: g++-10
Version: 10.2.0-16 Version: 10.2.0-15
Installed Size: 342 MB Installed Size: 30.6 MB
Maybe someone knows some advice why these packages have become so "voluminous"?
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Holy moley, that's an unbelievably huge size increase. I suspect the packagers may have stuffed up.
There's a bug report about it - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973545
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@sunrat,
thanks for hinting to that bugreport.
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* Also enable the extra checking on amd64, arm64, ppc64el, s390x, and don't
strip the executables. This will be reverted within a few weeks, please
don't send bug reports about that.
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I should have noticed that. ;)
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Update: As most of you might have noticed, the transition to Qt 5.15.1 is finished. So dist-upgrade should show zero removals for now and hence can be used. Now we are waiting for Plasma 5.19.5.2, that might come in clean or not. So keep your eyes peeled for possible removals or other disturbances.
Update: Wie die meisten von euch vielleicht bemerkt haben, ist der Übergang zu Qt 5.15.1 abgeschlossen. Daher sollte dist-upgrade vorerst keine Entfernungen anzeigen und kann daher verwendet werden. Jetzt warten wir auf Plasma 5.19.5.2, das vielleicht sauber reinkommt oder auch nicht. Haltet also die Augen nach möglichen Entfernungen oder anderen Störungen offen.
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@finotti
had a package qt5-default installed, and it had a conflict with the new Qt
Thanks my system was still at removing most of KDE, just removing that one package now it goes through with no removals.
How did you find that that package was the culprit?
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@finotti
had a package qt5-default installed, and it had a conflict with the new Qt
Thanks my system was still at removing most of KDE, just removing that one package now it goes through with no removals.
How did you find that that package was the culprit?
aptitude told me. I tried "aptitude dist-upgrade" and it proposed removing that package as an alternative. I quit, and did it manually with apt to see what would happen.
I'm glad it helped someone!