The gates of hell are opened ...

[dibl]

When it says "0 to remove", it is normally safe.  Of course with sid, there is always a small chance of a buggered new package coming in, but those don't normally damage the system.

[vilde]

I was planning on installing Siduction Xorg.  I guess with the recent Debian Stable release, I should probably sit tight for awhile until things settle down some.

Just for fun, I tried that today, new installation, d-u, installed xfce, everything went bery smooth, no problem. but that was then, late, no onen knows

[terroreek]

So far everything on gnome is smooth.

[michaa7]

So far everything on gnome is smooth.

Now everyone is waiting for apt already telling us some packages get removed during d-u ... and someone not reading it ... 

[Jörg]

Thank you for your support, Dibl! Made a backup first, then DU-ed and everything still worked allright.

Greetings,
Jörg

[ReinerS]

Hello,
I tried an d-u today, there were quite a bundle of kde-programs to be updated. But as there was quite a number also to be deinstalled I didn't carry it through and wait a some more time until this is settled.

Regards

Reiner

[piper]

All went well here

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Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libcmis-0.5-5 libisl13 libpagemaker-0.0-0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5 libqt5script5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libxcb-icccm4
  libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 libxkbcommon-x11-0
The following packages will be upgraded:
  binutils clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam console-setup console-setup-linux curl debianutils devscripts exfat-utils fonts-opensymbol i965-va-driver
  inxi keyboard-configuration libabw-0.1-1 libasn1-8-heimdal libass5 libavdevice55 libcapture-tiny-perl libcdr-0.1-1 libclamav6 libcloog-isl4 libcurl3
  libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-openssl-dev libdrm-dev libdrm-dev:i386 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1
  libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libe-book-0.1-1 libevdev2 libflac++6 libflac8 libflac8:i386 libgeoip1 libgltf-0.0-0 libgssapi3-heimdal
  libharfbuzz-dev libharfbuzz-gobject0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b libharfbuzz0b:i386 libhcrypto4-heimdal libheimbase1-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal
  libhx509-5-heimdal libidn11 libkrb5-26-heimdal libldb1 libmspub-0.1-1 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9 libmusicbrainz5-1 libmwaw-0.3-3
  libmyth-0.27-0 libmythavcodec54 libmythavformat54 libmythavutil52 libmythpostproc52 libmythswresample0 libmythswscale2 libmythzmq1 libntlm0
  libodfgen-0.1-1 libp11-kit0 libp11-kit0:i386 libpciaccess0 libpciaccess0:i386 libperl5.20 libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core
  libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk libreoffice-gtk3
  libreoffice-help-de libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-help-it libreoffice-help-pl libreoffice-help-pt-br libreoffice-impress
  libreoffice-kde libreoffice-l10n-de libreoffice-l10n-en-gb libreoffice-l10n-it libreoffice-l10n-pl libreoffice-l10n-pt-br libreoffice-l10n-ro
  libreoffice-math libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-style-galaxy libreoffice-writer librevenge-0.0-0 libroken18-heimdal libsmbclient libtalloc2
  libtasn1-6 libtasn1-6:i386 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libtevent0 libupower-glib3 libva-drm1 libva-glx1 libva-x11-1 libva1 libvisio-0.1-1 libvlc5 libvlccore8
  libwbclient0 libwind0-heimdal libwps-0.3-3 libxdmcp-dev libxdmcp-dev:i386 libxdmcp6 libxdmcp6:i386 libxshmfence-dev libxshmfence1 libxshmfence1:i386
  links linux-libc-dev linux-libc-dev:i386 mythlogserver mythtv mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-database mythtv-frontend mythtv-transcode nmap
  openssh-client openssh-server openssh-sftp-server perl perl-base perl-modules php-mythtv python-ecdsa python-markdown python-mythtv python-talloc
  python3-uno rkhunter samba-common samba-libs sed smplayer tzdata tzdata-java uno-libs3 upower ure va-driver-all vim vim-common vim-runtime vlc vlc-data
  vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse wpasupplicant x11proto-core-dev x11proto-randr-dev xkb-data xterm
178 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 44.3 MB/199 MB of archives.

[piper]

And one more

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Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libepsilon1 libfreexl1 libgnupg-interface-perl libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 libgnutls-openssl27 libkml0 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5
  libqt5network5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5xml5 libudisks2-0 mysql-workbench mysql-workbench-data mythweather python-six udisks2
19 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 21.1 MB of archives.

[Millie]

After reading through these posts, I updated my LXDE and Xfce, (both are 32bit) ...no problems after rebooting.

[KrunchTime]

@dibl:  Interesting...I know I've ok'd the removal of packages in the past, even under stable using the Backports repo, without experiencing any issues.

@vilde:  Thank you for the info.  I may go ahead and give it a try then.  I plan on using Openbox and Tint2 as a desktop environment, similar to CrunchBang or the soon-to-be BunsenLabs Hydrogen.  For the benefit of those who might be interested in setting up the same, check out this post over at the CrunchBang/BunsenLabs forums.

@Millie:  Great!  I'm curious why you're using both LXDE and XFCE unless you're just trying both out.

[Millie]

@Millie:  Great!  I'm curious why you're using both LXDE and XFCE unless you're just trying both out.

Variety. I've got the resources, so why not? Of course, if it came down to a "Desert-Island-Distro", I'd have to go with Xfce.

You mentioned tint2. I added it to both of them:

[dibl]

@dibl:  Interesting...I know I've ok'd the removal of packages in the past, even under stable using the Backports repo, without experiencing any issues.

Correct.  I did not intend to suggest that removals are always a bad thing.  But I do suggest that any removals always be examined thoughtfully -- the fact that something is to be removed is your signal to be extra careful before the next press of "Enter".  For example, this morning the build-essential and linux-headers packages were removed on one of my systems.  I let them go, because I can reinstall them the next time something needs to be compiled, but that is the type of removal that can be disruptive for a less experienced user.

[linearJim]

@dibl
i have the same issue with kernel 3.19.*-towo.*-siduction-amd64 headers

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Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  linux-headers-3.19.3-towo.1-siduction-amd64 linux-headers-3.19.3-towo.2-siduction-amd64 linux-headers-3.19.3-towo.3-siduction-amd64
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gcc-5-base libisl13 python-pbr
The following packages have been kept back:
  cpp-4.9 g++-4.9 gcc-4.9 gcc-4.9-base gcc-4.9-base:i386 gfortran-4.9 libasan1 libgcc-4.9-dev libgcc1 libgcc1:i386 libgfortran-4.9-dev libstdc++-4.9-dev libstdc++6
  libstdc++6:i386
The following packages will be upgraded:
  cpp-4.8 gcc-4.8 gcc-4.8-base libasan0 libatomic1 libcilkrts5 libcloog-isl4 libfreexl1 libgcc-4.8-dev libgfortran3 libglyr1 libgomp1 libitm1 liblsan0 libquadmath0
  libtsan0 libubsan0 libxml-libxml-perl python-stevedore
19 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 3 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
Need to get 12.8 MB/13.3 MB of archives.
After this operation, 95.0 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
have not pressed enter yet, i fear that when i will need header files for compiling in the future something else will want to uninstall..i was wondering which package is responsible for this..[ i am not using kernel 4 since i want nvidia driver 346 for now]
any thoughts?


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i have made only selective upgrades so far with install --only-upgrade

[dibl]

What is your running kernel version?  If it is a 4.0.x, then you can let the old headers for 3.19 go -- you will never need them unless you revert to running a 3.19 kernel and need to compile something.

[slaughterer]

Just made a D-U all solid here.