@ Millie & tuxic: I too appreciate xfce, as well as lxde. Xfce does have a bit more tweak-able attributes, and similar in appearance. I use fluxbox and openbox primarily, but the future of lxde and xfce does look good, and believe that a new xfce is on it's way. I choose simplicity over the "busy" appearance and behavior of KDE, or Gnome. The more something looks and behaves like Windows, the quicker I get rid of it. I choose openbox or fluxbox for mostly one reason, that is building my own menu, design it do and function toward my needs. Simple, fast, and light on resources. Tint2 is awesome, as with many of the lxde apps that are shared between lxde and openbox. Siduction has really come out ahead with a great line of DE's, my particular favorite is Xorg fluxbox, just raw enough to work and build, a custom distro. Millie, your art work is super, I try to be creative, but clutter is like driving with billboards, or marquee's, and I'm bad about it. - zephyr