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Runaway1956

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[EN] No solution needed
« on: 2015/07/20, 20:44:59 »
You don't have an idle chit-chat corner, nor an "introduce yourself" subforum.  This looks like the best place to post a "thank you" post, I guess.

I've noticed Siduction a few times.  I knew it was a Debian derivative, but didn't give it much thought, really.  Well - several things combined with a Google search led me here today.  Most specifically, I was searching for a combination of up-to-date kernels and an Nvidia card driver that would work on my specific hardware.

I didn't see a lot that seemed useful during my search, but I DID grab the Thunderstruck ISO, and installed it into a VM.  Nice.  It's not my preferred desktop, but very, very nice.  I proceeded to install the VBox guest additions, then to upgrade Thunderstruck.

Oh, my, what is this?  KERNELS!!  I see kernels that I've never seen before!  WHOOT!  Siduction - Debian - Siduction - Debian - YES!  I proceeded to comment out my sources.list, and copied all of the sources.list.d into my host's /etc/apt/ folder.  apt-get update then apt-cache search linux-image.  Oh yes - sweet!

Well, I'll stop babbling here:

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: awesome Kernel: 4.1.2-towo.2-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: Enlightenment 0.19.99.19943 Distro: Sparky 4 Tyche
Machine:   Mobo: Supermicro model: H8DM8-2 v: 1234567890
           Bios: American Megatrends v: 080014 date: 10/22/2009
CPU(s):    2 Hexa core Six-Core AMD Opteron 2425 HEs (-HT-MCP-SMP-) cache: 6144 KB
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1100 MHz 2: 800 MHz 3: 1100 MHz 4: 1100 MHz 5: 800 MHz
           6: 800 MHz 7: 2100 MHz 8: 800 MHz 9: 1100 MHz 10: 1100 MHz 11: 800 MHz
           12: 800 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] ES1000
           Card-2: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 630 Rev. 2]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.2 driver: nvidia
           Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz, 1280x1024@75.02hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 346.82
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA Device 0e0f driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Plantronics driver: USB Audio
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.1.2-towo.2-siduction-amd64
Network:   Card-1: NVIDIA MCP55 Ethernet driver: forcedeth
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:30:48:c8:16:72
           Card-2: NVIDIA MCP55 Ethernet driver: forcedeth
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 00:30:48:c8:16:73
           Card-3: Realtek RTL8187 Wireless Adapter driver: rtl8187
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 00:e0:4c:91:8b:9c
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 800.2GB (44.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: MKNSSDCR240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: MKNSSDCR240GB size: 240.1GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: WDC_WD3200AUDX size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 28G used: 6.1G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: /home size: 185G used: 27G (16%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 11.21GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdc1
           ID-4: swap-2 size: 4.91GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb3
           ID-5: swap-3 size: 8.80GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 248 Uptime: 36 min Memory: 916.8/22164.9MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.1.28




I believe that my next step will be to fire up my Thunderstruck VM, and see about installing E19 Enlightenment.  THAT is my first choice in desktops!

If things work out, I may move Siduction onto the metal, and move Sparky into a VM . . . .
« Last Edit: 2015/07/21, 00:38:31 by piper »

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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #1 on: 2015/07/21, 00:42:09 »
You will have to use Sparky repo's  to use e19 (I myself have done this before)   as debian is still on e17 or you can compile it ;)
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Runaway1956

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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #2 on: 2015/07/21, 04:05:25 »
Yes, that's what I had in mind.  My first attempt, inside the VM seems to have been a flop.  But - oddly enough, the VM itself is messed up now.  Maybe I need to step back and look at VirtualBox and VBGuest additions.  Something wrong somewhere - changing desktop environments shouldn't make the mouse go all funky . . .

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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #3 on: 2015/07/21, 21:00:19 »
Runaway1956: a good choice might be to setup a siduction xorg, install the siduction-dev-package, get the source packages from sparky linux and recompile the packages in the right order™
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« Reply #4 on: 2015/07/22, 18:58:19 »
The funky mouse problem I mentioned above can be attributed to VirtualBox.  I clicked a whole bunch of links, and it seems that VBox does weird things on random hardware.  VBox has problems reproducing those problems, so they haven't yet solved the problem.

I don't believe that Siduction is at fault, nor do I believe the updates caused any problems.  It's all related to VBox.  I may have to switch off to VMWare.    Ehhh - I prefer open source, but when open source doesn't work very well, I'll use proprietary.

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Re: For anyone wondering about my problems -
« Reply #5 on: 2015/07/22, 19:29:57 »
I may have to switch off to VMWare.   


Not until VMWare fixes their code to compile the kernel modules with gcc 5.1: http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5622.msg45894#new

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« Reply #6 on: 2015/07/22, 20:31:33 »
Hmmm - they sure make things hard on us. 


Further reading on my end suggests that the problem centers around USB mouse.  I went in search of a PS2 mouse, but it seems that my dear children have dragged them all off.  Target practice, or to drag them through the mud, or whatever.  I hate to buy a new PS2 mouse just to test that theory, but I may do so.


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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #7 on: 2015/07/22, 20:48:20 »
give kvm a try
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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #8 on: 2015/07/22, 20:49:24 »
There are very cheap USB to PS/2 mouse adapters, for example on Amazon.com.  The shipping is more than the item, actually.  Make sure you get green (mouse) not purple (keyboard).
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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #9 on: 2015/07/22, 20:54:19 »
give kvm a try


I started down that path when vmware broke.  But converting a .vmdk virtual disk image to the format for kvm turned out to be quite a complex series of dance moves and (being a lazy sort) I resorted to dual booting with Debian Jessie, on which VMWare's player was quick and easy to install and set up.  And of course lurking at the end of the conversion to kvm process is the 99% likelihood that Windows 8 will puke up a "non genuine" error and I'll be screwed one more time by MS.  Maybe I'll give it another shot one of these days, by setting up a new replacement Windows 10 environment on KVM.  VMWare's code seems fragile and brittle -- I wouldn't mind getting away from it.
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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #10 on: 2015/07/22, 22:53:53 »
Hello,

give kvm a try

Why not giving siduction a try on a separate partition?  I'm familar with linux since 1998, vbox or kvm gives possibitlity to get a first impression of new linux stuff. But when I want to know more then I spend new distributions seperate partitions.

And it seems, @Runaway1956, that you want to know more about siduction :-)

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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #11 on: 2015/07/22, 23:12:42 »

Why not giving siduction a try on a separate partition?


Thanks holger. I have a really fine siduction Indian Summer installation on a fast PCI bus SSD, so I'm staying with that one.  I just added another hard drive to the box and installed Jessie + VMWare on that one, then booted siduction and ran update-grub and let it pick up the Debian OS.  So when I need to do my genealogy work I boot Jessie -- otherwise I stay with siduction/Plasma 5.


But, I think KVM is probably a better way to go in the longer term. I will test the free Windows 10 update on a Win 8 VM, and if my genealogy tools run OK, then I will probably buy a Win 10 license and install it on a KVM VM, and reinstall my windows software on that.
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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #12 on: 2015/07/22, 23:58:06 »
VMWare Workstation Technical Preview 2015 runs great here ;), no problems with gcc 5.
Windows 10 works like a charm, i play asphalt 8 airborn daily in the vm.
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Re: No solution needed
« Reply #13 on: 2015/07/23, 00:04:36 »
Ahhhh --- good tip towo`!  Does VMWare charge a price for the Workstation Technical Preview?
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« Reply #14 on: 2015/07/23, 04:11:04 »
Ahhhh --- good tip towo`!  Does VMWare charge a price for the Workstation Technical Preview?


Download is free - but the license expires in December.  So, if you use it, don't get to attached to it.  Consider it to ONLY be a test bed.

https://communities.vmware.com/thread/515356?start=0&tstart=0

https://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/workstation/vmware-workstation-technology-preview-2015


You have to sign in before you can download.  I wasn't sure if I had an account, so I tried a couple of my generic logins, and it worked.  Obviously, I've registered in the past.




NOTE:  The software installs just fine on Jessie - but when you try to start it, it wants the path to GCC 5.1.1 so that it can build modules.

I'm going off the deep end here - I've re-enabled the Siduction repositories so that I can install GCC5 (and dependencies).  I my house burns down, and a super earthquake obliterates the Central US, I'll blame it all on siduction forums and Towo . . . .
« Last Edit: 2015/07/23, 04:50:58 by Runaway1956 »