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Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/01/03, 01:47:10
I'm really bored of this distros, kanotix, sidux and aptosid, who claims that they are community friendly and then have a forum which is divided into two languages and where the major one is German. I did a quick counting and found around 400 posts in English and 12000 in German. I know that all Germans are not good in English, I know that because I have been there quite a lot, but it's the same in a lot of other country’s. I don't say I like it, I don't say that I don't like it but but English is the main language in the world and in the computer world.
 
It's always easier to speak or write your own language and this way with a German forum there will be a very lot forum posts written in German even if the writer is good in English. This is like putting everybody except Germans on some isolated Ireland and then feed them with the things you like but not all. Yes, we can translate with some automatic web feature, but that’s not good enough.

And it doesn't matter if you have one German and one English forum or have them together, it's the same shit.

If you want siduction to be a German distro, ok, it's your distro but I really think it's a waste to let so much information not being enough understandable to the rest of the world, this will keep  a lot of not German speaking users away and you will also loose the big wonderful idea of a nice worldwide community driven distro.

Last I have to say that: I don't have anything against Germans or the German language, this is only my feelings of a language divided forum where I feel put aside because the main posts and discussion is in a minor language that I don't understand, and the fact that i really think this is mostly bad for the commynity.
Title: RE: Is this a German distro????
Post by: coruja on 2012/01/03, 02:45:15
Hi vilde! :)

The reason for the vast majority of posts in German is the fact that this forum still contains all the posts of the former aptosid.de forum (as we forked that forum/site too). But don't be afraid, we put much effort in siduction being international and we think that we should offer our users support and community chat in their mother language as far as we can provide. So far, these are German and English here, and not to forget Brazilian Portuguese at siduction.com.br (as a community project on their own). You're right, up to now, most of the developers are German, and the history of siduction (from kanotix to aptosid) was also mainly based in Germany. So please try to understand that we don't want to drive German users (especially those ones who don't speak English) away, but we also want to be attractive to international users like you. So we thought it would be best to offer both under one roof, a bilingual portal to siduction, in English and German. And please notice that we try hard to keep anything concerning development (e.g. bug tracker, core team meetings) in English so that most people can follow and participate if they want to.

Thank you for your honest criticism and feel invited to stay here. ;)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ayla on 2012/01/03, 03:25:23
Hi vilde

May I link to a present discussion?

http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=1674

As you may read I see it as an advantage to have both languages in one place.
And as I read another post of you, you showed one of this advantages there. I refer to this policy-kit post. You did find it in the german section and transferred the relevant part to the english section.
If evrything works as I imagin' it will get good practice that anyone who is trained in one language and is finding a solution he will translate it and let others, not so trained users, know.

As I have my diffulties in technical english especially too I would not like to miss the german part, because only there I can ask exaktly and understand the answers (hopefully) as well.

And I'm sure, as much posts in english came in in the last days, it will not take long and we will have a good balance.

greets
ayla.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/01/03, 11:26:10
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As you may read I see it as an advantage to have both languages in one place.
And as I read another post of you, you showed one of this advantages there. I refer to this policy-kit post. You did find it in the german section and transferred the relevant part to the english section.
You got it a little wrong. I found it like this, (problem: usb-stick wasn't able to mount after fresh install of siduction XFCE). First I looked on your forum, tried to search for the problem and didn't find it, because I didn't search for the right words, because the answer was written in German I found a possible solution in aptosid English forum, tried it, and it worked. Then I searched sort of backwards, I searched your forum with the solution (policykit-1) then I found it. As you can see the information was useless for me because it was written in the wrong language and therefore not search-able for me.

It will always be a problem to search for the right words specially technical ones in a foreign language, just like you say ayla. The problem is that now the discussions and the written solutions will be divided in two foreign language for us non English and non German natives. Everything will not be written in both languages and then I believe that the community will loose on this and the community will be smaller than it would be with one language.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/03, 12:01:38
Although I can understand your frustration to not find a solution to a problem, because the solution was written in German, you simply cannot expect that a distribution based in Germany with many german teammembers cuts its ties to german users who don't speak english or do not feel comfy doing so.

On the other hand, I am sure the number of not-german-speaking users will grow rapidly. And we will have the "problem", that german-only users wont find solutions in the english part of the forum.

Anyway, most of the moderators (if not all) understand and speak both languages and will react appropriately to whatever problem may arise in whichever part of the forum. And bilingual users usually follow both parts and will help out wherever they can! It has ever been this way!
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaaa62 on 2012/01/03, 14:52:04
Warning: Strong opinion ahead!!!

Move on, if you do not like it here. It is as easy as this...
That may sound hard, but while aptosid.de and later aptosidusers.de were German-only forums, aptosid.com itself is English only, which suits you best!??? You even found the solution for your ( and others) problem there.

But you also could do a bold move and start you Swedish thread in this forum to spread the word of Linux and siduction. There were some native Threads during sidux.
You could even take a bigger step and start your Swedish forum and help to spread linux this way, like the enthusiastic otto did for aptosid and siduction in Brazil to communicate in their native language.

Please be not offended, at least not too much! ;)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ayla on 2012/01/03, 16:00:19
nice idea.

I can remember a long italian thread with many different users and many different problems discussed there in sidux days.

Maybe a subsection "other languages" for a start?

greets ayla
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/01/03, 17:18:51
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But you also could do a bold move and start you Swedish thread in this forum to spread the word of Linux and siduction.
We don't need that, we understand English here in Sweden
 
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Please be not offended, at least not too much!
I'm not offended :)

And as I wrote before, the community will be more and more divided with each new language, I think it's the wrong way to go.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: belze on 2012/01/03, 18:52:21
i didn't find useful a single (huge) post, language specific. It was impossible to follow a complete discussion (at least the italian one). Because every new user wants to say "hi, i have that problem" and than 3 pages after someone posts a solution.
I don't have a solution, i asked the same in another discussion. Anyway i doubt everyone in Sweden understand english  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is this a German distro????
Post by: mylo on 2012/01/03, 19:41:25
Quote from: "vilde"
... I know that all Germans are not good in English,..

Where have you been though in Germany?
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: mylo on 2012/01/03, 19:51:20
Quote from: "michaaa62"
Warning: Strong opinion ahead!!!....


Strong? May be! But fine!!
Title: Re: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ralul on 2012/01/03, 19:57:50
Germany, as big and fat and rich as it is, does synchronize,translate all series and film from California and Sweden ... in such a quality that the transferred works are much superior than originals ("Die Zwei").

Other people in europe do have the advantage to learn original english language, where we hear some bad teacher english at school.
Title: Re: Is this a German distro????
Post by: oduffo on 2012/01/03, 21:03:29
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where we hear some bad teacher english at school


yes, it shows.
Title: Re: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/01/03, 21:20:51
Quote from: "mylo"
Quote from: "vilde"
... I know that all Germans are not good in English,..

Where have you been though in Germany?
Mostly in and around Bremen and my experience is that older people doesn't speak any English at all but the younger generation does, better and better. It's around the same in a lot of other countries. In Sweden before second world war the first foreign language in school was German, then after the war it turned to English so probably most people around 60 and younger have had English in school. I think that’s a little later in Germany, maybe I'm wrong. And yes, movies and TV with subtitle have helped us here in Sweden to understand English, but also the German way of synchronize all foreign movies and also in direct live television makes it harder to train your English in Germany, I agree.

It's not me saying that Germans are so bad in English that they can't manage a English forum it's you people who say you have to have a German forum to keep the German users. I think that most of the users of an Linux dist like this would manage to have an English only forum also in Germany, it's a matter of a little more work a little more interest and will.

By the way I have to say that for me it's a little fun and very weird to look on German TV or cinema hearing Clint Eastwood with the wrong voice speaking German, or The Godfather, Marlon Brando lost his wonderful voice to a German synchronized one ;)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: holgerw on 2012/01/03, 22:12:38
Hello @vilde,

welcome here to the forum of siduction.

Feel free to fill this english part of Forum with questions and comments in english language.

If I find an english thread and I can help, I'll try my best and I think, other people from siduction team or german users of siduction will do similar.

You've mentioned, that some german people are not very familar with english. And sorry, why should such people invest time in learning a new langugage only for managing a tool and speaking about it, when it is also possible in german language? Linux and other EDV stuff are for human beings, not vice versa, and good german translations of free software make it possible, that my old father also is able to use opensuse and siduction.

Hmmm, my wife and I have started learning swedish language at VHS (german spoken Volkshochschule), but stopped it because of our professional situation. Perhaps we should find a way to continue with it :-)

Gott nytt år!
  Holger
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/01/04, 00:28:55
OK everybody. I have told you my point of view.

This was mainly a little test, I wanted to get a feeling of the forum climate here and you past the test :) I didn't get "slam'ed" out.

I  will put siduction on one of my boxes and see where this leads.

@ holgerw, Frohes neues Jahr!

Tschüss
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: piper on 2012/01/04, 01:21:33
Hell we don't even speak english here in the US anymore :)  slang is more like it and every year it gets worse :)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: DeepDayze on 2012/01/04, 01:45:06
Quote from: "piper"
Hell we don't even speak english here in the US anymore :)  slang is more like it and every year it gets worse :)


Seems USA is getting more of a melting pot...soon we'd see more Spanish speakers in here too ;)

Quote from: "vilde"
OK everybody. I have told you my point of view.

This was mainly a little test, I wanted to get a feeling of the forum climate here and you past the test :) I didn't get "slam'ed" out.

I  will put siduction on one of my boxes and see where this leads.

@ holgerw, Frohes neues Jahr!

Tschüss


You won't get "slammed" here...and slam's not here :D
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ayla on 2012/01/04, 02:31:41
at least not as "slam"  :wink:
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ralul on 2012/01/04, 11:13:33
As long as there is not this misuse of moderator powers ...
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: DeepDayze on 2012/01/05, 00:47:11
Quote from: "ralul"
As long as there is not this misuse of moderator powers ...


I don't think that would happen here though as the staff's decent people who've seen all the bad things happen over at the old sidux/aptosid forums
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: hinto on 2012/01/05, 15:18:50
Try the IRC.  It's been very helpful for me.  They speak English (and have cookies).
-Hinto (Who is not a jelly donut ;) )
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: wiarus_old on 2012/01/06, 14:02:12
Hi everyone!

I think it is a simple but not so easy way to resolve this issue.
My native speak is polish. I think it is good way to open polish thread/forum to provide with solutions wider community in polish language (like above - not German speakers).

So, that is the way:

If someone ask for something in any (not english) language, and gets right help, then moderator may translate and post the solution to english forum. And that will be the point for other (not english) forums to copy solution from.
As I say is not easy but very helpfull. This is something like a wiki.

All for us, open community.

Greetins

w_o
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/06, 14:22:20
Quote from: "wiarus_old"
... then moderator may translate and post the solution to english forum...


as nice as the idea seems, we should not burden the moderators with such a *task*.

But be sure, bi/polylingual moderators as well as bi/polylingual users will at least crossread both fora and help where they can.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: wiarus_old on 2012/01/06, 15:04:14
Quote from: "michaa7"
as nice as the idea seems, we should not burden the moderators with such a *task*.


May be a special forum language maintainer ;)

It's all ideas only for now...
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/06, 15:08:55
this maintainer really has to be very polylingual ;-), are you?
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: wiarus_old on 2012/01/06, 15:33:14
My idea is:
First, there is only one maintainer for one language forum (eg. for polish forum - same guy as a polish maitainer for siduction manual).
Second, not every post needs to be translate, only those post that brings concrete solutions to current problems, bugs etc.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/06, 15:55:35
I'm not sure if this leads to something, maybe after switching to the new forum (other software within the next few weeks) and with growing number of non english or non german speaking users you should offer to do the polish part in an experimental multi language part of the forum, if the team agrees on such a new part?
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: wiarus_old on 2012/01/06, 17:13:08
Yes, I'll do the best I can depending on the time available.
I am currently aptosid manual pl maintainer, and this is what siduction needs too - for pl and other languages.

Meanwhile a special corelation between german and english forum is needed, I think.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/06, 18:06:40
the special correlation already consists in many bilingual mods and users hanging around in both fora, let's simply see whether an additional multilingual forum is needed with a growing number of users not speeking/understanding de or en.
And whatever may happen in future, nothing will change until the forum has its new software ... so maybe the best is to delay this discussion until then ...
Anyway, I am sure the maintainer of the polish section of the manual is at minimum as wellcome as any other user from wherever
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: devil on 2012/01/06, 18:59:00
The best way to handle this is to react to actual needs and demand, after wwe switched to a new home.

greetz
devil
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/06, 19:38:17
you put it in a nutshell
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: catalinsb on 2012/01/07, 01:14:54
Hello! I haven't followed all the discussion here, and I must confess from the very beginning that nor English neither German (from which I hardly understand a few minimal sentences) are my native languages. First time I heard about siduction on distrowatch and I entered this forum, I haven't seen the English part of the forum (maybe because I was so excited?), but I had no feeling about this. I thought well, this distro is going to be awesome, no problem if it still hasn't an English forum. I remember I was going forth an back from the news part of the site to the blog page to read the release notes. Only a few days later I discovered the English forum... I believe the actual formula of the forum responds to all the needs. Anyway, English is kind of default language if it is about computers, just think about terminal commands and so on. Maybe you should make more visible the fact that the forum has indeed an English section?
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: michaa7 on 2012/01/07, 02:37:19
Quote from: "catalinsb"
...Maybe you should make more visible the fact that the forum has indeed an English section?


the change to a new forum with new software is expected to happen within this month, maybe soon or some days later. Until then nothing will happen to the setup of the forum.

Sometimes it's worth to read the whole thread as this info was given there several times.

And although I haven't seen it yet, I'm pretty sure, with the new software, the english part will be easy to find ...
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: nadir on 2012/03/27, 18:56:33
It seems no one gets hindered to post in English, so it's up to the users (which is a good thing, imho).
That said:
I for one would appreciate more posts in English. If i do computing, i do it in English (mainly to learn English, btw). I only check the English forum, and it rather seems silent.
It also seems to make sense: the de facto standard to communicate international is English. While there are lots of Germans and a lot of people in Europe who speak German, a lot do not. English, otoh, is spoken by most people, it seems (at least the younger generations).


I am not really an active member of the sidux/aptosid/siduction community, so the above is just a side note (let's say from a stranger).  One of the reasons might be the amount of German communication (the other one being the strict moderation in the past, at the sidux forum).
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: dibl on 2012/03/27, 23:37:24
I use chromium-browser and I check the siduction forum every day.  For the German posts (I don't read or speak much German) I simply use the translator.  You can look at the subject only and see if you need to go further -- no need to read all about ath9k driver issues if you don't have an atheros chip.  :)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ralul on 2012/03/28, 01:26:56
I feel ashamed of my bad english and therefore prefer to write in german language. Also it costs me more time in english, because I am unsure and constantly change sentences ...

But I like to use IT specific terms in english. If you ask in a german thread in english I promise to answer back in english. Feel free to do!
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: clubex on 2012/03/28, 12:54:15
I think siduction is, at the moment, suffering the same failing as sidux did. Sidux had the German section at the bottom of the forum page and therefore most people didn't know the German section existed. It's a fair bet that the same thing is happening with siduction only in reversee.

Wikipaedia suggests there are 1800m English speaking and 200m German speaking people in the world therefore most of the people attrascted to siduction will be able to understand English. And it's a fact that if you want your shop to be a success you don't put the products people want at in the back of the shop.

Hopefully the new site will solve this problem. Perhaps using Aptosid's two site approach or having English as the default language and with an easy method of switching to German.

dibi: From your posts in the German section of the forum it seems to me that you do very well at making your self understood in German. I congratulate you. I always look at the German posts but I struggle to make sense of them and I find the translation tools inadequate.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: devil on 2012/03/28, 13:00:38
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Hopefully the new site will solve this problem.

It will. We are taking in account the multilang problems. Please understand that the siduction community in the beginning was almost 100% german.

Quote

...and I find the translation tools inadequate.


The better the written german, the better the translation. But that is a theory, I do not expect that everyone writes perfect german.

greetz
devil
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/03/28, 14:55:32
I have a feeling that even with a new site the "community based os" siduction will be a German community with a English forum appendix used for some support and help. That will work for me as a user as long as I get the support and help I need, and I don't doubt that, but the fun with a forum/community where a lot happens and which is something to come and look on every day to see whats new and whats going on will not be very much of if you are not German speaking/reading i think. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ralul on 2012/03/28, 16:02:32
@vilde , you nearly convinced me to write some more english here ...

Another aspect:
Having had the very bad sidux forum experience I was the one arguing to divide english and german to the most possible extent. This was when hatred debate was on and then mixing languages :(

Due to the very peaceful and friendly nature of our forum I would prefer some more mixed language siduction forums!
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/03/28, 17:19:55
Quote from: "ralul"
I feel ashamed of my bad english and therefore prefer to write in german language. Also it costs me more time in english, because I am unsure and constantly change sentences ....
@ralul, You are not worse in English than I and a lot of others are, I understand you and that’s good enough 8)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: Geier0815 on 2012/03/28, 17:37:31
Can one of you explain me the problem? This is a forum, so it is what you, yes you!, made of it. The most forums about debian, sid especially, are in english where the "only german-speaking" users are out. Here it is twisted. Did you ever try to post a question in german, france, (whatever language) in a english-speaking forum? You will be flamed! And what's about the english posts here? Everyone who is able to write a little bit in english try to help you.So as I am.
Agaida and devil post it more than ones: With the new forum-software it will be easier to differ between the english and the german forum, so please stay tuned.
Please, sorry for my lousy english!
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: nadir on 2012/03/28, 18:11:57
Quote from: "Geier0815"
Can one of you explain me the problem? This is a forum, so it is what you, yes you!, made of it. .

For me: not a problem at all. Only something i realized and mentioned.

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Please, sorry for my lousy english!

I read this several times in this thread, and would not have realized that it is not an English speaker at all (not that my English would be good enough to be able to tell).


Not sure if there are really too few German forums (ubuntu and debian got one), but it wouldn't help. If one uses a distro (siduction in this case) one will want a forum for that distro (i guess, that is how it is for me).
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: dibl on 2012/03/28, 21:21:34
Quote from: "clubex"

dibi: From your posts in the German section of the forum it seems to me that you do very well at making your self understood in German.


I'm sure the native German speakers get a chuckle from my crude attempts, but thank you!   :)

Seriously, I've been running siduction on 3 very different hardware platforms since January, and even though I'm no guru, I'm glad to provide whatever help I can.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: belze on 2012/03/30, 15:06:10
Quote from: "devil"

The better the written german, the better the translation. But that is a theory, I do not expect that everyone writes perfect german.

greetz
devil

that's why even if i use the translator i still have to look at the original post and try to understand the meaning of each word. It is a very hard task couse i didn't study german and i just know a very few words and sentences.
I usually don't have many time and i need to check the forum quickly one a week: i usually skip threads in german because it would keep too long to read them.
Sulutions:
1- every siduction post written in german must to 100% translation valid.
or
2- please contribute a little bit with english post, more user will be attracted and this will continue this way! 8)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: jacmoe on 2012/05/19, 21:27:36
It takes time and effort to learn how to write in English, so get over it, German guys and gals.
You are being lazy.

I has taken me years to hone my English skills, because luckily the Ogre3d community insists on English. I've been there since 2004, and now I consider myself a fluent and eloquent writer in English.

To put it bluntly: it really makes my piss boil when people writes in German in the English forum here - especially the upgrade forum - even the site admin does it.
That's not really productive IMO.
And Chrome's auto-translate feature is of no use since the forum reports the language used as English.. D'oh.

Rant over. ;)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: dibl on 2012/05/19, 22:27:21
Quote from: "jacmoe"


To put it bluntly: it really makes my piss boil when people writes in German in the English forum here - especially the upgrade forum - even the site admin does it.
That's not really productive IMO.



The English forum was very recently changed to the top of the Forum site, and that is why some of the German speakers have accidentally made their posts there.  It was not intentional -- don't boil your urine -- that's not healthy.

And, it was a deliberate decision to use a single consolidated EN/DE "Upgrade Warnings" sub-forum, so all forum users can quickly find the warning in either language.

Quote

And Chrome's auto-translate feature is of no use since the forum reports the language used as English.. D'oh.



My chromium-browser does just enough translation to make it interesting.  For example "Ich heute macht d-u" translates to "I just took a shower ..."    :lol:
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: holgerw on 2012/05/20, 08:09:03
Hello, dear @jacmoe,

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To put it bluntly: it really makes my piss boil when people writes in German in the English forum here - especially the upgrade forum - even the site admin does it.
That's not really productive IMO.
And Chrome's auto-translate feature is of no use since the forum reports the language used as English.. D'oh.


Sorry my friend, you're new here and your behavior is very unpolite. Do you think, that your behavior here is productive in any way?

Be free to use siduction and be free to enrich our forum with friendly written threads.

Und damit Du etwas für Deinen Google Translator hast: Hier macht der Inhalt und der Ton die Musik, ob auf englisch oder auf deutsch, ich danke für Deine Aufmerksamkeit  :-)

Kind regards,
  Holger
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: jacmoe on 2012/05/20, 23:52:14
Instead of choosing to be offended, could you maybe address the issue?
I've been thinking about using Siduction, but reading the Aptosid forum instead. It's extremely disturbing having most of the urgent information in German mixed into what should be the English section of this forum.
I want to be totally sure that I am not missing something really important, especially before a d-u, and I don't feel that the Siduction forum does that for me as it is now. ;)

I've been a Siduction user for months before making use of my Siduction forum account.
Now I am not so sure if I should have.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: vilde on 2012/05/21, 00:30:07
I started this thread, there are also a couple of other threads about this language issue. I would say that so far it has happen a lot and that we now have the English forum on top, we have an bi-language "upgrade warning" where everybody and hopefully the moderators and team members helps to make nobody miss anything important.

The English forum on top probably shows newcomers that this is an international linux dist, and the activity have grown on the English part.

@ jacmoe it's better to have an important warning in German than no warning at all or hidden in a German forum which you are not visiting, but of cause it should be translated as soon as possible.

I would say that even with my little provocative title of this thread, siduction has so far showed up exactly what it stands for, an open active forum where the team-leaders/members care about whats written on the forum. There will be a new forum layout in the future and hopefully this will make everything even better.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: ReinerS on 2012/05/21, 00:35:54
Well, from my point of view the issuses you raised are already adressed and it had been worked on.
There have been arising some minor new issues (Like german-speaking/writing users (like me) now got mixed up) because of the changes but thoses will also be adressed and fixed in a not so far future. :lol:

So, what actually is your point ? As far as I have read on those english/german threads your issuses have been taken up seriously and most things have been solved already or will be soon.
And, not to forget, you have been treated much more friendly as ist was the case in some earlier and even some existing forums that I have had experienxes with.

So I cannot/willnot subscribe to:
Quote
Instead of choosing to be offended, could you maybe address the issue?

and suggest instead that it might be very helpfull even for you to try to implement a little bit "nicer" tone when raising issues in your posts.
I guess that was the message that Holger friendly tried to deliver to you, nothing to do with being offended :wink:

regards

Reiner
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: agaida on 2012/05/21, 03:09:08
Only my POV: if someone put a warning or Warnung in the upgrade section, my first view is wich packages are involved. Mostly this is enough information for me. My reacton is: Be careful, it can bite me.

So in these cases the language around the packages is not so important. It can be russian, the fact that it is in Warnings should be all we need.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: clubex on 2012/05/21, 11:51:59
I tend to agree with agaida. The only suggestion I would make is to cut and paste the system's du warnings report into a quote box. I say this because in my experience whereas we mortals tend to express ourselves in the colloquial language of our individual locale the system report is  precise and succinct and retains it's meaning even when translated into another language. The apt devs have spent years honing the language used in apt's reports until it is precision and translatable and we should take advantage of that.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: Sir_Aim on 2012/05/21, 15:52:58
I think it would be a good idea to post apt output within the warnings section always prefixed by LANG=C.

Code: [Select]
LANG=C apt-get ...
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: cryptosteve on 2012/05/21, 16:25:27
Very good idea, Sir_Aim .. I'll test that with the next upgrades.
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: jacmoe on 2012/05/22, 08:01:38
I guess an apology is in order: sorry guys. :)
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: holgerw on 2012/05/22, 15:17:26
Quote from: "jacmoe"
I guess an apology is in order: sorry guys. :)


Hi @jacmoe,

I suggest, as a compensation you've to install our new siduction 2012.1. You've the choose between kde, lxde or xfce ;-)

Wellcome here at siduction.org.

Kind regards,
  Holger
Title: Is this a German distro????
Post by: jacmoe on 2012/05/28, 08:09:25
Hehe.
I've been running Siduction for a couple of months already. :)
KDE all the way for me.
I used Aptosid a while ago, then moved to Arch Linux.
When I upgraded my machine, I needed to reinstall, and Arch was (still is, I suppose) impossible to install due to lots of bugs.
So I went with Siduction.
I don't regret that decision. ;)