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Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/11, 07:36:34
Took some pieces from various other sessions
Tint2  for a panel
lxappearance to run obappearence plugin
lxtaskmanager
Xfce4-powermanager
volti Volume indicator in panel
NetworkManager Applet in panel
Parcellite Clipboard in Panel
Wbar in lower left
  and as you can see access to all Gtk type apps that I have running on my Xfce4 desktop.

  Can run loaded with desktop apps and streaming Media on a 512mb machine.
  [Click on Link for SCROT ]
http://db.tt/ckcUpN2u
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/11, 17:13:48
Realized after viewing the above Desktop that I did not enable
Multi Desktops on the tint2  bar.
As you can see by the new Screen Shot that the tint2 bar now displays all apps running on each Desktop. No matter what your current desktop.
This shot displays Desktop 4 while tint2 does display the apps on Desktops 1 thru 3 also.
You can alternatively go to that desktop by Clicking on the tint2

http://db.tt/iq7PJvYR
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/11, 17:48:26
Looks nice but why not put the WBar in the center on bottom or on the center left? That desktop setup looks close to GNOME as you can come. I've been playing with Openbox using the Semplice Linux distro and it is pretty darn fast on my AMD64 setup as well as my old Thinkpad T42

Also what do you use for a file manager? PCManFM or SpaceFM?
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/13, 05:35:38
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Looks nice but why not put the WBar in the center on bottom or on the center left? That desktop setup looks close to GNOME as you can come.

  Sure, Why not....
I just happened to like that particular balance to the text in the Wallpaper.
Regarding Gnome.. Not a fan.

Lastly, I usually install PCmanFM in my OpenBox installs but used Thunar this time.

I have tried and been following Semplice since it's introduction and do like it.
However it is light on installed packages & pleasing Artwork. Plus no towo kernel.
I'd rather turn a better Distro (Siduction) into an OpenBox DE .
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/13, 16:22:32
Quote from: "sqlpython"
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Looks nice but why not put the WBar in the center on bottom or on the center left? That desktop setup looks close to GNOME as you can come.

  Sure, Why not....
I just happened to like that particular balance to the text in the Wallpaper.
Regarding Gnome.. Not a fan.

Lastly, I usually install PCmanFM in my OpenBox installs but used Thunar this time.

I have tried and been following Semplice since it's introduction and do like it.
However it is light on installed packages & pleasing Artwork. Plus no towo kernel.
I'd rather turn a better Distro (Siduction) into an OpenBox DE .


I have a "test" Semplice install and installed Towo's kernel as well as the packages I desired. I'll test a Firestarter Openbox setup as well. :)
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/13, 20:02:18
^ Good idea..
Post back results..
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/13, 23:29:50
Quote from: "sqlpython"
^ Good idea..
Post back results..


Did you use the Firestarter No-X ISO?
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/14, 09:07:55
^ No, but I am in the process of doing that now.
I simply converted an Xfce install that I already had installed.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/14, 17:00:09
While I do like KDE, it has gotten quite "heavy" and eating up a lot of RAM on my big rig so I'm looking at these lite WM's as possible replacements for KDE, as a lot of the non-KDE apps such as xfburn/brasero, miro etc have improved a lot over the years to become viable replacements for the KDE apps. For the WM's I'm looking at Openbox and Fluxbox for both my desktop rig and my aging but trusty IBM Thinkpad T42.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/14, 19:01:12
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While I do like KDE, it has gotten quite "heavy" and eating up a lot of RAM


Heh.. Reading you is like listening to myself.
 In 1999 I downloaded to 5 3.5 floppies KDE 0.99 and the never looked back. (Before KDE I liked FVWM) I used KDE exclusively until late 2008. Then I began to add Xfce as my secondary Desktop on my installs. Since 2010 Xfce and OpenBox only.

 I am always amazed to see KDE installs running at 550mb to 750mb at a Desktop IDLE without an app running. While my #! CrunchBang OpenBox install IDLEs at 90mb. and to me looks good and interfaces slickly.

  Further if you want the 3D and special effects with Xfce simply add Compiz. You can have Rotating Cubes. Wobbly Windows and the lot. While your Desk IDLEs at 350mb.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/14, 22:12:57
Quote from: "sqlpython"
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While I do like KDE, it has gotten quite "heavy" and eating up a lot of RAM


Heh.. Reading you is like listening to myself.
 In 1999 I downloaded to 5 3.5 floppies KDE 0.99 and the never looked back. (Before KDE I liked FVWM) I used KDE exclusively until late 2008. Then I began to add Xfce as my secondary Desktop on my installs. Since 2010 Xfce and OpenBox only.

 I am always amazed to see KDE installs running at 550mb to 750mb at a Desktop IDLE without an app running. While my #! CrunchBang OpenBox install IDLEs at 90mb. and to me looks good and interfaces slickly.

  Further if you want the 3D and special effects with Xfce simply add Compiz. You can have Rotating Cubes. Wobbly Windows and the lot. While your Desk IDLEs at 350mb.


Your experiences almost mirror mine as I have used FVWM for years prior to compiling and installing KDE 1.x on Slackware. I liked what I saw so been a solid KDE user for years and was quite happy until KDE 4.x came on the scene which such a buggy bloated disaster with akonadi garbage, KDE 4 has made my old Thinkpad slow to a crawl so been trying out the lite options and Openbox/Fluxbox fills the bill.

RazorQT shows promise and I could try this as a KDE replacement too.

Openbox is so configurable and looks pleasing so I'll most likely dump KDE and use OB with Gnome apps.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/15, 18:56:30
I have used as a LiveCD the Siduction Razor and found it Very Good.
I like the Qt aspect of Razor. Razor though has a slow moving development. Using Razor asks by its' origins that the user should probably invest in QT apps. If you are going to do that then we find ourselves back with KDE. So, given that Razor less complete and mates with QT I would op for a light KDE.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/16, 00:19:53
Quote from: "sqlpython"
I have used as a LiveCD the Siduction Razor and found it Very Good.
I like the Qt aspect of Razor. Razor though has a slow moving development. Using Razor asks by its' origins that the user should probably invest in QT apps. If you are going to do that then we find ourselves back with KDE. So, given that Razor less complete and mates with QT I would op for a light KDE.


RazorQT would be a good base for using KDE apps without the bloated KDE DE as most QT apps just require the QT runtimes
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/07/20, 07:42:11
I'm underway to do the same but using fluxbox instead (following a bit the crunchbang philosophy ;) ) relaying on the buil-in panel instead of tint2. For the moment i can say, it makes an 8 years old HP laptop a reasonably fast machine (faster than what i experienced before installing on to it first lubuntu and then crunchbang). I found the razorqt firestarter iso is an excellent starting point.

But i'm by far less experienced and linux familiar as you. So i still miss some basic things as:

a configuration of xscreensaver

a reasonable battery/powermanagement setup
(ptbatterysystemtray for the moment does not do neither hibernate nor suspend; i vaguely remember hibernate might be unabled by default by debian but suspend at least should work)

and i miss a filemanager like Thunar or PCManFM (the later one exists, but for some reason i do not succeed in building the alpha from ressources).

In any case, i'd find it an excellent idea to come up with an openbox or fluxbox only based siduction iso. The right click menu, if configured well, makes unnessecary, imho, any starter bar ;)
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/21, 00:03:50
@farinet
 You could do far worse then emulating a #! platform.
I am Huge Crunchbang fan and have it installed On a machine.
  Once Fluxbox is configured I find it light and quick. In fact for those with imagination Fluxbox can be really Artistic in presentation.
I hope you post some of your examples once your are satisfied with the work.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/07/21, 05:35:43
Quote from: "sqlpython"
@farinet
 You could do far worse then emulating a #! platform.
I am Huge Crunchbang fan and have it installed On a machine.
  Once Fluxbox is configured I find it light and quick. In fact for those with imagination Fluxbox can be really Artistic in presentation.
I hope you post some of your examples once your are satisfied with the work.


Just a question: Did you stick with lightdm? I changed to slim ... Seemed to me even faster (and easier to configure ;) ).

[EDIT]Add on question: Which filemanager do you use? If qtfm, are you aware of some good instructions how to customize user defined actions. I do not really succeed in configuring:

- open file as root (in an editor of your choice, in my case geany)
- open terminal here (=directory where qtfm is actually)
- open terminal here as root
- inegrate catfish to qtfm

I know that's pretty much like what PCManFM does - or Thunar ... [/EDIT]
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: convbsd on 2013/07/21, 09:08:18
Hello there

When new siduction-settings will be available/ready users will have a playground to experiment with new Desktop Environments / Window Managers.
We'll try to make available for testing a Siduction Xorg iso and users can add there any packages using a package list file.
Of course it would be great if experiment results will be shared in the forum.

Thank you
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: michaa7 on 2013/07/21, 11:21:06
sounds great. TIA
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/07/21, 15:23:59
Phantastic! I'll for sure report back when i've the fluxbox setup at a descent state . . . I think i'm on a good way ;)
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: DeepDayze on 2013/07/21, 17:05:21
I tried out the new SLiM on an AntiX install..its much better nowadays for using with flux or even ICEwm. While LightDM is pretty solid I find it a tad hard to get things like policykit (for mounting devices where it'll ask for the admin PW) with flux
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/22, 05:43:36
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Just a question: Did you stick with lightdm? I changed to slim ... Seemed to me even faster (and easier to configure  ).

  Yes I did... used slim with CrunchBang but moved away due theme advanvantages.

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[EDIT]Add on question: Which filemanager do you use? If qtfm, are you aware of some good instructions how to customize user defined actions. I do not really succeed in configuring:

- open file as root (in an editor of your choice, in my case geany)
- open terminal here (=directory where qtfm is actually)
- open terminal here as root
- inegrate catfish to qtfm

I know that's pretty much like what PCManFM does - or Thunar
.
 Using thunar or PCmanFM myself. Correct me if I am wrong but if using qtfm don't you then need another app such as GiGolo to control Network connections. Whereas with Thunar or PCmanFM you can do this directly. As well as all of the open functions that you list above..
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/07/23, 11:00:23
May be it's wrong thinking, but i thought it would be better to stick with qt-native (if this is the correct term??). Otherwise, why PCMan makes the effort to write a PCManFM-qt??

Since you seem to be very able with fluxbox: I tried to set xscreensaver in my ~/.xinitrc but apparently to no effect (?) Only when i set in ~/.fluxbox/startup it starts as expected. Is there any reason why? Xinitrc not used anymore? Or is there some other init file which refers (or not) to ~/.xinitrc?

In the instructions of xscreensaver, i only found a hint to start it from gdm, but nothing referring to how to do that with slim ...

TIA for your patience.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/07/25, 16:56:34
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May be it's wrong thinking, but i thought it would be better to stick with qt-native (if this is the correct term??). Otherwise, why PCMan makes the effort to write a PCManFM-qt??

 Logically, I would agree. As the QTfileManager does not need the liabraries from what I have read. However the network capabilities are of QTFM are sorely lacking.
  Regarding PCManFM-qt if I am using a gtk environment then I would stick to the PCmanFM default.

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Since you seem to be very able with fluxbox: I tried to set xscreensaver in my ~/.xinitrc but apparently to no effect (?) Only when i set in ~/.fluxbox/startup it starts as expected. Is there any reason why? Xinitrc not used anymore? Or is there some other init file which refers (or not) to ~/.xinitrc?

 Can't comment As I didn't look a xscreensaver. Did not present me with any problems regarding My Setup.
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In the instructions of xscreensaver, i only found a hint to start it from gdm, but nothing referring to how to do that with slim ...

 I will see want I can find but again for me it simply worked.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/07/26, 07:21:20
So, i've my setup pretty much working even configuring out how to have a better font rendering (i followed this nice link (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Example_1), using example 1).

Login/display manager: slim, window/desktop manager: fluxbox. Here a screenshot (as you see i stole a lot of crunchbang ;) ):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q63ncc33ioo6x4n/screenshot1.png?m

(I hope that works for you; not so familiar with dropbox ;) ).
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/08/03, 18:45:53
Hey! Good One. Gives me a sense of Deja Vu'
 Looks exactly like a #! Desktop that I had altered for daily use in 2011.. I liked the look then and now.
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: farinet on 2013/08/10, 00:06:36
Hei, i tweaked it a bit here and there, now it looks like this, and i'm somewhat satisfied with it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34100936/screenshot-13-08-10_00-03.png
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/08/27, 05:01:13
@farinet
 Sorry, Been off this forum a bit..
Congrats, on arriving at a Balanced Fluxbox with a touch of #!.. I like it.

Have you been using OpenBox much?
When using tint2 with OpenBox tint2 is giving me fits. Yet works well with Fluxbox.
When in Siduction with OpenBox tint2 crashes as it changes Desktops.
I am Up To Date kernel 3.10.9...
Tint2 starts only at beginning of OpenBox Autostart script.
I have uninstalled and installed tint2 many times but continue to have tint2 woes when used with OpenBox but not FluxBox..
I have systematically eliminated most all of the start up items in the OpenBox AutoStart script but to no avail..
Title: FIreStarter - OpenBox
Post by: sqlpython on 2013/08/27, 06:01:07
So, I turned back to FluxBox.
Below are links to a Clean and Dirty Desktop.
Some might consider both Dirty.
 ..But let's keep an Open Mind to Art.
Look at this DE for it's Color & Balance, carefully choosen.
The Colors as well as the fonts were considered for weight, color & balance.
The fabric on the model, color of the wood the window decorations.
 Note that I have a tint2 on the top and as evident in the Dirty SCROT I show the a minimal AutoHide FluxBox Bar with a Tray containing a ClipBoard, Battery, Volume & nm-applet..

 I would like to believe that Johannes Vermeer (Woman in Blue Reading a Letter) might take pity on my clumsey attempt and say that I have shown some promise. heh heh

 Anyway examine my FluxBox attempt ... but no touching. ;^)


<Clean>
http://db.tt/8As6rQTd

<Dirty>
http://db.tt/WDUDbMjw