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Offline michaa7

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[EN] names on mirrors
« on: 2012/05/29, 14:48:16 »
This is a screenshot of the razor-qt directory:
http://ac52.de/img/sidon_namen.png

As you can see, one can't recognize the content of a file as there is visible only a part of the filename. One can deduct the content by the file's size, but normaly that is what a name and its extension is for.

So, please consider changing name policy. There is much redundant info here:

razorqt / razor-qt
12.1 .5 / 20120528..

I think it it would be enough and still unique to create names like:

siduction-yyyy.#.#-rqt-x86.ext

siduction-yyyy.#.#-kde-amd64.ext

And yes, this is not your/our biggest concern ... nevertheless it seems worth to mention for further enhencement
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RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #1 on: 2012/05/29, 15:00:38 »
Use ftp instead of http


But i ack you with the naming sheme of the razor images.
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RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #2 on: 2012/05/29, 18:53:42 »
There is a sense behind the naming scheme of the images. And IMHO we should not change it without a reason. Have a look at a regular build:

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siduction-12.1-desperado-kde-amd64-201205212202.iso
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 distri    ver release    DE  arch build date/time


So i see no point that changing the naming scheme would do anything useful. The only valid point is: We really should think about a proper abbreviation for razor-qt, eventually rqt.
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #3 on: 2012/05/29, 22:13:31 »
Quote from: "agaida"
There is a sense behind the naming scheme of the images.

I didn't doubt this.
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And IMHO we should not change it without a reason.

ACK 100%. Is readability (as in not readable due to tab limit) a valid reason?
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Have a look at a regular build:

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siduction-12.1-desperado-kde-amd64-201205212202.iso
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 distri    ver release    DE  arch build date/time


This is *not* exactly the used name scheme!

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So i see no point that changing the naming scheme would do anything useful.


I am sure I cannot convince you for a really very short name scheme, but only for *mentioning* one, for uniqueness it would be sufficient to use something like:

desp_12.1.5_rqt_32.iso

Long names are a PITA, but this was not my point. The point is the unreadability. And IIRC, using ftp was discuraged in some circumstances.

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The only valid point is: We really should think about a proper abbreviation for razor-qt, eventually rqt.


at least some agreement.


Anyway, it was a proposal for a handier (as in overview) name scheme, if nobody else feels a need or sees its advantages its useless to discuss further.

But I bet 90% of the users change the (too) long name (wasn't my initial point, though).
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #4 on: 2012/05/30, 17:18:37 »
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This is *not* exactly the used name scheme!


Shure it is. ;) Have a closer look:

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siduction-12.1.5-razorqt   -razor-qt-amd64-201205282240.iso  
siduction-12.1  -desperado -kde     -amd64-201205212202.iso
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 distri    ver    release    DE      arch  build date/time

To clarify this:
 * .5 means that it isn't a regular release inside the release circle
 * razorqt the releasename instead of a song title
 * razor-qt is the DE. You're right in this point, we should decide to abbreviate razor-qt to rqt. But a name like

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siduction-12.1.5-razorqt-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso


didn't change the situation to something really better.
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #5 on: 2012/05/31, 02:06:58 »
Quote from: "agaida"
...
To clarify this:
 * .5 means that it isn't a regular release inside the release circle
 * razorqt the releasename instead of a song title
 * razor-qt is the DE. You're right in this point, we should decide to abbreviate razor-qt to rqt. But a name like
...


Thanks for this clarification, I addmit I had a misconception of this scheme.

Still I think the names are unnecessarily long (from a users point of view). You as an administrator may have other requirements.
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #6 on: 2012/05/31, 13:47:53 »
the releasename should be: develop / beta / ... not razorqt ?

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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #7 on: 2012/05/31, 21:09:08 »
what about razorqtdevelopmentrelease :twisted: rolandx1 ymmd :)
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #8 on: 2012/05/31, 23:39:21 »
false:
siduction-12.1.5-razorqt-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso
right:
siduction-12.1.5-beta-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso
siduction-12.1.5-develop-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso
siduction-12.1.5-alpha-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso
siduction-12.1.5-whatever-rqt-amd64-201205282240.iso
a releasename shouldnt be the same as DE because its useless
:P

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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #9 on: 2012/06/01, 03:19:49 »
Ganz einfach. Wir lassen einfach mal do-okratie walten. Und ich sehe das anders. Macht aber auch nichts. Bringt Euch ein, reisst Sachen an Euch und wenn es vernünftig ist, dann wird keiner meckern.

Vorschlag zur Güte: Release razor

Der beste Vorschlag von Dir, rolandx1, ist whatever-rqt. rqt als de-Kürzel find ich auch in Ordnung. über den release-namen möchte ich an dieser Stelle nicht weiter streiten. Ihr seht vielleicht nur razor als Ziel und razor-rqt erscheint genau so redundant, wie es auf den ersten Blick auch ist.

In einem etwas weiteren Rahmen betrachtet find ich das als Projektbezeichner nicht wirklich schlecht, weil ich das Razor-Release auch noch dazu nutzen werden, um bestimmte Pakete wie gfxboot und einige Teile von Art und settings neu zu implementieren. und dann heissen daraus entsetehenden isos eventuell razor-lxde razor-kde und razor-xfce.

Der Punkt ist der: ich finds einfach falsch, ein eindeutig als Version ausserhalb des Zyklus existierendes Release mit devel, beta oder ähnlich zu bezeichnen, ohne das ein tieferer Plan dahinter ist. Ist halt meine Auffassung davon. Dann schon eher einen einfachen Platzhalter wie a,b.c. Das ist erstens kürzer, sagt genau so wenig aus und würde das Ganze wenigstens noch in eine gewisse Reihenfolge bringen, was durchaus nicht zu verachten wäre.

Spätestens beim Release passt es dann aber nicht mehr und die Diskussion fängt von neuem an. Und ich will einfach nicht die nächste Ausschreibung des Releasenamens mit dem Untertitel beginnen müssen: Famous Rocksongs - keep in mind: max. 4-5 letters.

Kleines Beispiel gefällg:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songsddd.html

Die Auswahl würde recht knapp werden. Und One wäre verbrannt, Lola würde ich nicht wirklich wollen, Jump würde gehen, fürs Release danach wäre noch Layla übrig und dann müssten wir siduction leider beenden. :twisted: Ok,nicht ganz, ich habe Time und Money übersehen. ;)
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Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #10 on: 2012/06/01, 14:29:43 »
ja nenns release, außer du hast vor auch ein kde-kde zu releasen und ein lxde-lxde, dann passt natürich auch das schema razorqt-rqt  :evil:

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RE: Re: RE: names on mirrors
« Reply #11 on: 2012/06/01, 18:19:21 »
No. I have named my latest dev build jailbreak-rqt ;) Jailbreak was released on '74 Jailbreak by AC/DC. Eventually this will be a constant name for my dev builds in the future. As a constant name for development releases it could save a lot of time for scripting and naming till the final releasename is found.

We should think about this carefully, all naming changes can then be done via sed.
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