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Offline unklarer

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Preining_5.20
« on: 2020/11/07, 09:41:46 »
Hello @dibl,

last night I updated to Norbert's plasma5.20.
The d-u ran smoothly.
After rebooting the system stays on the login screen and does not get to the desktop.

This morning I found in Norbert's blog, he was also facing the problem and the fault was the package libkwaylandserver5-5.19.5-1~np1, which does not update to 5.20.
He speaks in this context of "epoch" of the package.
Do you (or someone else) know what the "epoch" means?

I helped myself by removing libkwaylandserver5. Which also leads to the
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kde-plasma-desktop kinfocenter kwin-addons kwin-common kwin-x11 latte-dock libkwaylandserver5 libkwin4-effect-builtins1 patience-kde-livesettings plasma-desktop plasma-widgets-addons plasma-workspacebe removed.
Afterwards the removed packages are installed again and everything is ready to go.   :)

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #1 on: 2020/11/07, 09:52:41 »
Hi,

there is no need to remove libkwaylandserver, you can downgrade it!
You have to downgrade it like
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apt install libkwaylandserver5=5.20.2-1~np1and then upgrade the rest!



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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #2 on: 2020/11/07, 10:30:56 »
^Thanks, hendrik
Next time, I will.   ;)
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apt policy libkwaylandserver5
libkwaylandserver5:
  Installiert:           5.20.2-1~np1
  Installationskandidat: 5.20.2-1~np1
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 5.20.2-1~np1 500
        500 https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/plasma520/Debian_Unstable ./ Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     5.19.5-2 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages


Do you also know what "epoch" means in this context?
Weißt du auch, was in diesem Zusammenahng "epoch" bedeutet?

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #3 on: 2020/11/07, 11:02:44 »
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Do you also know what "epoch" means in this context?
Weißt du auch, was in diesem Zusammenahng "epoch" bedeutet?

Sorry no!

Mh,  but maybe this helps :  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/332617/when-to-create-new-epoch-for-a-debian-package

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #4 on: 2020/11/07, 11:26:24 »
@unklarer
I think this answers your question about epoch https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version
I'm going to cite something from there:
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The version number of a package. The format is: [epoch:]upstream_version[-debian_revision].

The three components here are:

epoch

    This is a single (generally small) unsigned integer. It may be omitted, in which case zero is assumed. If it is omitted then the upstream_version may not contain any colons.

    Epochs can help when the upstream version numbering scheme changes, but they must be used with care. You should not change the epoch, even in experimental, without getting consensus on debian-devel first.

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #5 on: 2020/11/07, 12:13:02 »
Ah, yes, that makes it understandable to me.
Therefore Norbert writes the "downgrade" in quotation marks.

I thank you both.   :)

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #6 on: 2020/11/07, 19:31:39 »
Quote from: unklarer
Hello @dibl

Greetz!

Well, it's good that you waited until after the plasma transition to enable the Preining repo. There was some trouble a week ago, on one of my KDE/Plasma systems, with kwin and plasma-desktop versions. It's all good now.

I didn't know about the software "epoch" either -- so we learned something.
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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #7 on: 2020/11/08, 10:18:47 »
^Thanks, @dibl.
You were the only one I knew about using the preining-repo's.  ;) 8)

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #8 on: 2020/11/08, 12:29:57 »
Slightly offtopic.I see, that after months of waiting now a new plasma comes to sid... but unfortunatly only 5.19.I have to say that I am really disappointed, since it's quite predictable that we have to stick to it during the freeze.  :-X
So, what are your experiences with Preinings repo?I am seriously considering a change

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #9 on: 2020/11/08, 12:52:53 »
Slightly offtopic.I see, that after months of waiting now a new plasma comes to sid... but unfortunatly only 5.19.I have to say that I am really disappointed, since it's quite predictable that we have to stick to it during the freeze.  :-X
So, what are your experiences with Preinings repo?I am seriously considering a change

FWIW, according to Devil, 5.20 is coming soon: https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=8118.0

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #10 on: 2020/11/08, 14:34:30 »
know, and I waited for it, but now comes 5.19... So i do not think, that 5.20 will come in a near future

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #11 on: 2020/11/08, 15:02:02 »
The plan is to start the work on 5.20 as 5.19.5 is ready in unstable and the most important glitches are fixed, and they are on it!
I think, they are starting to upland 5.20 in the next days to experimental.
Because the team and especially Norbert want 5.20 in debian before the freeze!

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #12 on: 2020/11/08, 15:57:33 »
Thanks hendrikL for the clarification. That would be great!

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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #13 on: 2020/11/08, 21:48:39 »
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So, what are your experiences with Preinings repo?I am seriously considering a change

Very good. During the plasma transition, a couple of KDE packages got their plasma dependencies broken, and it was necessary to disable the Preining repo, reinstall KDE from sid, then upgrade the whole thing, then re-enable Preining and let it upgrade the KDE packages. You just have to remember that the Preining KDE packages are ahead of the sid KDE packages.
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Re: Preining_5.20
« Reply #14 on: 2020/11/09, 12:00:39 »
Quote from: Lanzi
So, what are your experiences with Preinings repo?I am seriously considering a change

I have read that from you several times, then do it.   ;D

What @dibl writes, I can confirm. It runs wonderfully and gives pleasure.

I installed the siduction image at the beginning of June. It is important to update the installation FIRST with the d-u completely. Only then the repo by Norbert Preining should be added.
After all it should look like this:
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inxi -Sr
System:    Host: plasma Kernel: 5.9.6-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.20.2
           Distro: siduction 18.3.0 Patience - kde - (202005041058)
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dbgsym.list
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra.list
           1: deb http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fixes.list
           1: deb https://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/obs-npreining-kde.list
           1: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other-deps/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           2: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/frameworks/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           3: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/apps2008/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           4: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/plasma520/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           5: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other/Debian_Unstable/ ./