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Title: will not install
Post by: proxy on 2018/03/10, 12:23:41
Problems installing.

* Screen too dark/dimmed to see whats going on

* When you have a screen that can be seen - wont install.  Complains after a couple of minutes of some error in /tmp.  But it does wipe the partitions needed - sets-up new filesystem in partitions - and wipes the existing boot menu without replacing the existing boot menu.

I burnt iso onto usb stick using dd.

I am trying to use the latest siduction released a couple of days ago.

Keyboard gb.  Language en_GB.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: piper on 2018/03/10, 12:40:11
I am a little leary of your IP & email address and which is very toxic, I will not post the emails (yet)

I have about 50 pages of toxic crap from this IP

Just one example, the smallest one

https://stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/163.172.67.180

Your tor-exit is also crap

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{
  "id": "324205d5b5e8dca8be6a1a273d92d59d",
  "value": "163.172.67.180",
  "hostname": "tor-exit-readme.memcpy.io",
  "label": "tor-exit-readme.memcpy.io",
  "as_number": "12876",
  "network_name": "ONLINE_NET_DEDICATED_SERVERS",
  "country_code": "FR",
  "flags": [
    "tor",
    "dedicated",
    "server"
  ],
  "reputation": {
    "status": "bad",
    "threats": [
      "suspicious_scan",
      "comment_spam",
      "brute_force_login",
      "referer_spam",
      "command_injection"
    ]
  }
}
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: proxy on 2018/03/10, 14:07:24
Just reported you for trolling.

You made no effort in assisting or making a proper reply.

Enjoy
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: proxy on 2018/03/10, 14:09:44
Just in case anyone is interested in helping, I forgot to mention that I tried to install on sony viao laptop, that has an intel processor dual core.  It is not new!!
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: piper on 2018/03/10, 14:16:51
Quote from: proxy
Just reported you for trolling.

You made no effort in assisting or making a proper reply.

Enjoy

Since you reported it to me, I will step aside and let ANYONE help you

good luck, and have a nice day, don't forget to smile


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The following post, "Re: will not install" by piper has been reported by proxy on a board you moderate:

The topic: https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7102.msg57551#msg57551
Moderation center: https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?action=moderate;area=reports;report=29

The reporter has made the following comment:
Seems more to be trolling than assisting

Regards,
The Siduction Forum Team.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: dibl on 2018/03/10, 14:36:22

Quote from: proxy
* Screen too dark/dimmed to see whats going on


This is some hardware power-saving issue with whatever hardware you are attempting to install on, which you need to give details about if you expect help.  Make, model, BIOS version, CPU, GPU, memory.


Quote from: proxy
...Complains after a couple of minutes of some error in /tmp. ...


"Some error" is useless.  What error?


Quote from: proxy
...I forgot to mention that I tried to install on sony viao laptop...


Sony hardware can be difficult and some items don't work with Linux -- use Google to search and here is where your exact hardware model becomes important:


https://superuser.com/questions/928810/sony-vaio-black-screen-on-debian-install


http://www.lorenzobettini.it/linux/LinuxSonyVaioVGN-S5VP_B/


https://www.preining.info/blog/2014/03/debian-linux-sony-vaio-pro-13/


For your information, @piper is one of the most experienced and proficient siduction users available -- losing his support is your great loss.  You would have been much wiser to address his concerns about your apparently very sketchy IP address.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: proxy on 2018/03/10, 14:48:36
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Sony hardware can be difficult and some items don't work with Linux -- use Google to search and here is where your exact hardware model becomes important:

Works fine with slackware and other debian derived distros I have installed.

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For your information, @piper is one of the most experienced and proficient siduction users available -- losing his support is your great loss.  You would have been much wiser to address his concerns about your apparently very sketchy IP address.

And for your information, I do not see what the great loss is losing pipers suport - he did not help, just trolled and whined about not using the internet in the way that he would like me to use the internet.  He basically became a user/ip/connection nazi.

Besides what is wrong with the way I connect.  If it works for myself that is all that matters.

Not only this but I did not really need to take the time out to register on this forum with its need to enter a captcha at least twice to get it right, wait for the confirmation email, click the conformation link, get back to the forum, renter the password to login, post the problem, then have to come back to view a reply.

I could have gone away.  not reported it.  And you would be non-the-wiser but blissfully so it seems about the issue with the installer.

And if I have completed the captchas - does it not show that I am human no matter what ip address I am using?  So where is the problem?
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: piper on 2018/03/10, 20:55:19
Quote from: proxy
And for your information, I do not see what the great loss is losing pipers suport - he did not help, just trolled and whined about not using the internet in the way that he would like me to use the internet.  He basically became a user/ip/connection nazi.

Besides what is wrong with the way I connect.  If it works for myself that is all that matters.

Not only this but I did not really need to take the time out to register on this forum with its need to enter a captcha at least twice to get it right, wait for the confirmation email, click the conformation link, get back to the forum, renter the password to login, post the problem, then have to come back to view a reply.

I could have gone away.  not reported it.  And you would be non-the-wiser but blissfully so it seems about the issue with the installer.

And if I have completed the captchas - does it not show that I am human no matter what ip address I am using?  So where is the problem?


This is exactly how bots & tor/tor-exit/proxys work the spam kings, yes, they get thru captchas

Its sad, but this shit gets tru here and debian and our irc and debians irc, if you don't understand that, and think it's trolling  and whining , I actually feel sorry for you.
 
"He basically became a user/ip/connection nazi".

 ROFLMFAO trying to protect our website, in my eyes, your a fool.


Yes I whine, and troll about this stuff

163.172.67.180 appears in our spam database 8,769 times
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: tommy2 on 2018/03/11, 10:03:06
1+
Piper, his original post had very little useful information even for a beginner like me to try and help him.  Then blaming the first person to reply as a troll now that is whining!

tom
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: proxy on 2018/03/11, 11:41:13
All I get from all your crap is blah blah blah - self-justification - blah blah blah - self-justification - blah blah blah - self-justfication - blah bla...


No it is not helping, just shows you need to get out more.


I have just tried again to install - same problem - this time I noted what the error message was - but you lot dont deserve to know.


You behave as if you are somehow essential to my existence, as if you have me over a barrel - well you dont - there are plenty of other distributions - I have two of them installed - one of them debian based that works fine with the sony laptop, which NTW so does debian itself.  So the problem is not with the sony laptop its that the siduction developers cant deal with sony hardware - isnt that more honest than blaming someone else-but this is what you have done all over this thread - blamed anyone but yourselves..


Bitchezz...


BTW enjoy another IP address...bitchezz!!
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: dibl on 2018/03/11, 12:49:17
Moderated -- Farewell.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: piper on 2018/03/11, 15:22:38
dibl, thank you, we lost power here for a bit :(

Title: Re: will not install
Post by: dibl on 2018/03/11, 16:15:45
Sure. Hope you had your rig on a UPS when the lights went out.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: piper on 2018/03/11, 17:08:33
No UPS here :( and it was a new install but everything is ok,

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System:    Host: x1 Kernel: 4.15.8-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 gcc: 7.3.0
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.12.3 (Qt 5.9.2) Distro: siduction 18.2.0 Patience - kde - (201803101235)

Thanks again, and for the concern :)
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: dibl on 2018/03/11, 22:29:06
My rig is VERY safe on a UPS bought new in 2010 that has never been checked or had the batteries replaced.  LOL    :P
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: melmarker on 2018/03/12, 01:19:50
Sorry - hadn't read this  earlier - only my opinion, not with my moderator hat on - in IRC i had likely kicked and banned such "guests". It is not (or better) it must not be our job to play nice with assholes.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: dibl on 2018/03/12, 13:07:51
@melmarker that is 100% true.  With new members from (possibly) any culture on earth, I like to be a little tolerant until the doubt is fully removed. This one didn't take too long to show his stripes.
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: Disgruntled on 2018/03/15, 12:21:59

This is probably the wrong place to post this, so please move it if deemed necessary, but I'm posting here in the hope that the person responsible for this forums 'security' may read it, as emails seem to fall on deaf ears.
I have been a member of all the relevant forums since the Kanotix days and used all the distributions as my daily driver, coming to the forum mostly to fix any problems I come across and to check it was safe to upgrade ;)
A few months ago I tried to login and was informed I was banned permanently with no way of undoing it. I then emailed the forum twice asking for some kind of explanation but recieved no reply. I had only ever posted once on a different forum (Sidux) under the same username and so felt extremely frustrated at this point I have to admit...
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I managed to find Devils email address and he very helpfully told me that because my email was on this list https://haveibeenpwned.com/ (https://haveibeenpwned.com/) and that somehow apparently totally unrelated email logins had been compromised elsewhere, on a completely different server, then I have been automatically been banned from Siductions forum.. Wow!
Not only that but my home IP address was blacklisted and even the VPN I use (because I'd tried to login from both IP addresses)
That wasn't so bad for me, as I said I've only ever posted once before and on another forum anyway (Sidux), but I couldnt even 'read' this forum any longer because both IP addresses were banned completely and I couldnt see the forum at all.
Devil was very helpful and after a short correspondence he managed to unban my IP addresses and so I was able to come here once again and at least read any warnings. All good, no need to panic anymore and I could upgrade in confidence ;)
This morning I upgraded my laptop and I now find the windows will not expand to fill my desktop fully, after openbox had been updated, and so I came here to ask if anybody knew why.. Tried to register a new account and was once again told I was banned forever without recourse of action..
Aaaaargh!
Luckily I just happened to have a spare VPS, so I installed another openvpnserver and after using that I have now been able to register this account successfully here today.
Now I'm all for security and trying to make the internet a safer place and all that, but I think the policy deployed by this forum is bordering on the ridiculous frankly and I have never come across such extreme measures anywhere else! Maybe I've lead a sheltered life though, I don't know..!?
Because one of my email addresses is listed on https://haveibeenpwned.com/ (https://haveibeenpwned.com/) does not mean that I use the same password for every forum I register with and that ALL of my accounts across the internet have been compromised.
You assume that I am ignorant of computer security myself and I personally find that somewhat patronizing.
This is a niche forum with not many users, relative to other sites, and so I have to ask myself just what it is exactly you are afraid of?
A Nigerian prince, l33t haxxor or maybe just Veeagra salespeople?
Overzealous security is worse than no security at all in my personal opinion. There are many other ways to protect your servers than inconveniencing your users in such a harsh brutal manner.
Yes ban accounts if you think that's relevant, but please email the user to inform him/her and don't just ban the IP addresses completely. Many people share an IP adress and that's just overkill in this case manner!
Anyway the whole thing stinks in my opinion, and so after much thought and consideration (and many years!) I've decided I'm done with this project and I'm moving on.
I've been lurking for years with some of you guys and I probably wont find another distro with such genuinely nice people, but at least I'll be able to read the bleedin forums without setting up a new vpn server every 5 minutes!
Cheers :)
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: devil on 2018/03/15, 13:58:14

Sorry to hear, you are having these problems. At the moment I have no idea what happened here. But to put your experience in relation: I can't remember any other user with these kinds of problems. Our security settings are plain average, nothing really special. Would you tell me what user name was involved in this lasst misshap, so I can look into it?
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: tommy2 on 2018/03/15, 14:11:10
Might be a waste of time on your part devil, piper tried to tell him that is was not him personally but the way he is getting here and he did not want to hear it! just my 2 cents worth.  ;)

Tom
Title: Re: will not install
Post by: devil on 2018/03/15, 18:20:18
This is a different guy. And he is gone.