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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: Santa on 2014/07/24, 23:44:14
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As you probably already know, the KDE community has been working for a while on a replacement for KDE SC 4. This replacement isn't called "KDE 5" nor "KDE SC 5"; it's KDE Frameworks (the libraries) and Plasma 5 (the desktop environment).
There is some packaging done for siduction, but:
* It's still too unmature so for now please install it only on a virtual machine or at least on a separate partition.
* Do NOT try to install it over a KDE SC 4 installation yet.
* It may not give you an accurate idea of how plasma 5 will actually look like. So don't be surprised if it looks very "ugly" yet. If you want to get a better idea of the visual status of plasma I would recommend you to check out the kubuntu's neon isos instead:
http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/introducing-project-neon-5-isos/ (http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/introducing-project-neon-5-isos/)
1. Grab a "no X" siduction iso and install it on a virtual machine.
2. Once you have installed a siduction system without X, log into it and enable the automatic installation of "Recommends"; you need to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80siduction replace this line
APT::Install-Recommends "0";with this one
APT::Install-Recommends "1";
3. Add the following line to your sources.list:
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext kde-frameworks main
4. You can install Plasma 5 with:
apt-get install plasma-desktop xinit x-window-system
5. You can start a plasma 5 session just with "startx"
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Thanks Santa. Looking forward to testing it.
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Tnx Santa! I will wait until it will be ready!
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4. You can install Plasma 5 with:
apt-get install plasma-desktop
5. apt-get install xinit
6.update-command-not-found
now, exit the root prompt and as a user
7. You can start a plasma 5 session just with "startx"
and you get a nice colorful KDE 5 splash, followed by an empty black desktop with a nice frugal panel at the bottom. No wallpapers are present yet, so you'll have to add your own, and then it looks like it is ready for play time.
Thank you very much, Santa -- this looks great!
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tryed! :D
I needed also "xserver-xorg"...
but nothing seems to work... I can't install neither konsole or systemsettings, so I can't really try it... :(
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xinit recommends xserver-xorg, so if you have set APT::Install-Recommends "1" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80siduction, then xserver-xorg is pulled in when you install xinit.
It is in a very "developmental" state, for sure. The command runner doesn't seem to work either from a right-click, nor Alt-F2, and the application "mc" appears to be calling for konsole, which is not installed nor installable at this time. So it's rough -- fun to play with, but don't expect to do anything important with it.
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ah ok, I did --install-recommends only for plasma-desktop!
but there is nothing "to play with" ;D
you can just see the splash screen, I couldn't download neither new wallpapers...
btw I installed the cursor theme from the repo to my usual installation, it's beautiful!!! ;)
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I installed lighdm and it works to login. I am only able to run it at 640x480 -- I think that is some issue with my vmware-tools, but it could be KDE5/kwin. I can stretch the screen size and it will remain at the stretched size and lightdm comes up correctly, but after login there is nothing but a black screen with no reactive elements anywhere on it. Back to 640x480, and it works again.
If you install gvfs, the device manager will mount a USB stick and offer to open it with the file manager, but that fails. However, if you use one of the utility terminals and run "mc", then midnight commander works and you can find the stick mounted under your user name at /media.
You can't set a desktop wallpaper, as far as I can tell -- the desktop settings browser can be used to browse to an image location (you have to enter the path in the window), but the selection function doesn't grab a file -- it says it can't find one.
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Now I tried it myself, knowing that this is only an "it-is-installable-and-boots"-study. I used virtualbox (with guestadditions) and the siduction-xorg flavour. Therfore X was prepared, xinit already there and login with lightdm working after install. In lightdm, I used session kde-plasma-desktop, not session plasma.
In addition to dibls points I installed the packages kde-style-breeze and breeze, and have a wallpaper and screen resolution 1024x768 right from the beginning.
For systemsettings, I had to to explicitely apt-get install systemsettings=5.0.0-0r0which adds an entry for systemsettings in the menu, but they do not start.
Edit: on logout, when the wallpaper disappears, I can see for a very short glimpse the systemsettings-window before the system shuts down. So probably some graphics glitches in virtualbox.
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Good -- thanks! I installed the breeze packages.
For systemsettings, I had to to explicitely apt-get install systemsettings=5.0.0-0r0which adds an entry for systemsettings in the menu, but they do not start.
In what repo did you find it? -- here it says "E: Version 5.0.0-0r0 not found".
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Good -- thanks! I installed the breeze packages.
For systemsettings, I had to to explicitely apt-get install systemsettings=5.0.0-0r0which adds an entry for systemsettings in the menu, but they do not start.
In what repo did you find it? -- here it says "E: Version 5.0.0-0r0 not found".
Putting the version explicitly is no longer needed, there was a missing epoch in the version; it's fixed now and the dist-upgrade should pull the systemsettings from plasma 5 automatically (as well as other programs which had the same issue, like khelpcenter).
Regarding other issues I have my own list of obvious issues here, including some which you already mentioned, like that one changing the wallpapers. I will be working on some of them in the next days is possible, today for instance I found that games can't be started from the menu and I found out how to fix it. I will keep you posted.
5. apt-get install xinit
Thank you for noticing, updating the instructions.
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Great -- got the systemsettings installed, and it works here as expected, mostly. Lots of things do work in there. But if you click on "Multimedia", it crashes systemsettings.
Edit: In Debian sid, we don't presently have an x-window-manager package in our repos.
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Edit: In Debian sid, we don't presently have an x-window-manager package in our repos.
Thank you again dibl, instrucions updated a few days ago. Once I have solved some important issues in packaging maybe we could invertigate your crash.
For everybody: I already know the answer, but for future refenrence could any of you who have time to install plasma 5 tell us what happens when...
a) ... you skip the enabling of recommends in the installation instructions I posted
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b) ... you have kde sc 4 installed from kde-full and then you try to dist-upgrade to plasma 5 (please paste the output of aptitude and/or apt-get)
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The issue with screen resolution is fixed -- it was a vmware config problem, not related to KDE Plasma 5 or siduction.
On a fully updated siduction 64-bit system, it runs reliably, with bugs as mentioned above. Clicking on multimedia still crashes systemsettings.
Santa, if you don't get feedback from others on your installation and upgrade from KDE SC 4 questions, I am willing to re-install from scratch to check it. Just say the word -- you can PM me.
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just (re)installed:
- start it with "startx", but I think it's normal (for now)
- no wallpaper. in desktop settings, no preview of the 2 wallpapers, but selecting them, it works. "download new wallpapers" doesn't work.
- no more for now, there is nothing else to test... :)
- "shutdown" and "restart" don't work from menu (it return to textual login, but I think it's normal, for now).
- nice the new coloured bar in the task manager (but I still prefer smooth task)
- the menu is better than previous (but I still prefer lancelot...)
I installed systemsettings, but impossible to install konsole and dolphin:
- it's strange that "colours", "fonts", "icons", "style" are now seperated...
- 300Mb of RAM used (ok, there is pretty nothing... :p)
I installed GuestAdditions but I can't select "transparent window"... ???
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Santa, if you don't get feedback from others on your installation and upgrade from KDE SC 4 questions, I am willing to re-install from scratch to check it. Just say the word -- you can PM me.
Please go ahead.
just (re)installed:
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Well, I doubt it would work so "well" with recommends disabled. What I meant is installing from scratch in a new machine without the recommends enabled, this way some packages won't be installed. Thanks for testing anyway, I take note of the issues.
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just (re)installed:
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Well, I doubt it would work so "well" with recommends disabled. What I meant is installing from scratch in a new machine without the recommends enabled, this way some packages won't be installed. Thanks for testing anyway, I take note of the issues.
I reinstalled siduction nox (in a virtual machine) from zero. ;)
the I installed with --install-recommends option... isn't it the same?
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just (re)installed:
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Well, I doubt it would work so "well" with recommends disabled. What I meant is installing from scratch in a new machine without the recommends enabled, this way some packages won't be installed. Thanks for testing anyway, I take note of the issues.
I reinstalled siduction nox (in a virtual machine) from zero. ;)
the I installed with --install-recommends option... isn't it the same?
That enables the recommends. But I asked here
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=4793.msg39751#msg39751
to also try with "install recommends" disabled (if you want and have time of course).
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Sorry for the double post,
the latest couple of days I have been working on some scripts which I have to automate part of the work of packaging KDE's Frameworks and Plasma 5 in order to make sure new versions arrive in time. To test these scripts I made with them a new set of packages including the latest changes in Kubuntu's packaging. As a nice side effect I noticed that:
- krunner works now
- you have a default wallpaper
So I have just made this new set of packages available in kdenext/kde-frameworks. The dist-upgrade from the previous packages is supported (i.e. suposed to work).
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Please go ahead.
OK will do today. First, I ran a dist-upgrade on the VM that I have, and pulled in your new packages. FYI, this minor error occurred:
Unpacking libkf5parts-plugins (5.0.0-siduction1) ...
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5parts-plugins_5.0.0-siduction1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/spellcheckplugin.so', which is also in package libkf5parts-bin 5.0.0-0r0
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Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
However this was resolved with
dpkg --configure -a and all packages were installed.
So, I will start with the siduction-3.2.1-december-kde-amd64 iso, update it, and then see what happens when I add the repo and attempt a d-u.
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FYI, this minor error occurred:
Unpacking libkf5parts-plugins (5.0.0-siduction1) ...
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5parts-plugins_5.0.0-siduction1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/spellcheckplugin.so', which is also in package libkf5parts-bin 5.0.0-0r0
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Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
However this was resolved with
dpkg --configure -a and all packages were installed.
Thanks for reporting this, possible fix uploaded.
So, I will start with the siduction-3.2.1-december-kde-amd64 iso, update it, and then see what happens when I add the repo and attempt a d-u.
Thank you, please remember to install kde-full on top of the default siduction's kde installation.
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Thank you, please remember to install kde-full on top of the default siduction's kde installation.
Good thing you reminded me -- I would not have remembered to do that.
So, december-kde4 64-bit is installed and fully updated, including kde-full. That took some time. Now I have enabled the kdenext/kde-frameworks repo, and updated, and tested a dist-upgrade. Here is the output:
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
breeze-cursor-theme breeze-icon-theme gdb-minimal kde-style-breeze ksysguard-data kwin-style-breeze
libdbusmenu-qt5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5bookmarks-data
libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion5 libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5
libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5
libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5globalaccel-data
libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5
libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5 libkf5kcmutils-data
libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdelibs4support5 libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5
libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5networkmanagerqt5 libkf5newstuff-data libkf5newstuff5 libkf5notifications-data
libkf5notifications5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts5 libkf5plasma5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data
libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5
libkf5sysguard5 libkf5sysguard5-data libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5wallet5
libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-data
libkf5xmlgui5 libksgrd5 libksignalplotter5 libkwalletbackend5-5 libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-qt5-1-1
libprocesscore5 libprocessui5 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5
libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5script5 libqt5sql5 libqt5svg5 libqt5webkit5
libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5 libxcb-icccm4 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1
qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop qml-module-org-kde-kcoreaddons qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols
qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons qml-module-org-kde-solid systemsettings-data
The following packages have been kept back:
plasma-desktop
The following packages will be upgraded:
kmenuedit ksysguard ksysguardd libdbusmenu-qt2 libphonon4 phonon plasma-nm systemsettings
8 upgraded, 105 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 35.9 MB of archives.
After this operation, 165 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Is this expected? Shall I proceed with installing the d-u?
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Is this expected? Shall I proceed with installing the d-u?
It's somewhat expected but not ok, plasma-desktop (the package which would provide) is being kept back. That's one of the things which need fixing in packaging. So no, you shoudln't proceed with the dist-upgrade.
Thank you for the reply.
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Good. I will leave that system in its current state and watch for further guidance here.
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Hi dibl,
Good. I will leave that system in its current state and watch for further guidance here.
yesterday I pushed some updates which I have been working on the latest few days. Right now I think you should be able to upgrade from KDE SC 4 installed with 'kde-full' as long as you don't have any kde-l10n-something package installed, that's an additional issue which is being worked on and I hope to solve it soon.
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Hi Santa,
OK thanks. I searched for kde-l10n-* and found about 6 or 7 packages installed, so I removed them. Then, here is what I did:
First, with the kde-frameworks repo disabled, I fully updated the system, and rebooted it. Then, I enabled the kde-frameworks repo and ran d-u. Here is the output:
root@dec-kde5:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# apt-get dist-upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
breeze breeze-cursor-theme breeze-icon-theme frameworkintegration gdb-minimal kactivities kde-cli-tools
kde-cli-tools-data kde-style-breeze kded5 khelpcenter kinit kio-extras kio-extras-data ksysguard-data
ktexteditor-data kwin kwin-data kwin-style-breeze libdbusmenu-qt5 libjs-underscore libkdecorations5
libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5baloocore1
libkf5bookmarks-data libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion5 libkf5config-data
libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5 libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons5
libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5
libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5emoticons-data libkf5emoticons5 libkf5globalaccel-data
libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5
libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5
libkf5jsembed-data libkf5jsembed5 libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdelibs4support5
libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiowidgets5
libkf5networkmanagerqt5 libkf5newstuff-data libkf5newstuff5 libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5
libkf5notifyconfig-data libkf5notifyconfig5 libkf5parts-data libkf5parts5 libkf5plasma5
libkf5plasmaquick5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5 libkf5runner5 libkf5screen5 libkf5service-bin
libkf5service-data libkf5service5 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5
libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5su5 libkf5sysguard5 libkf5sysguard5-data libkf5texteditor5 libkf5textwidgets-data
libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5threadweaver5 libkf5wallet5 libkf5webkit5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data
libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5
libkf5xmlrpcclientprivate5 libkfontinst5 libkfontinstui5 libksgrd5 libksignalplotter5
libkwalletbackend5-5 libkwin4-effect-builtins1 libkwineffects5 libkwinglutils5 libkwinxrenderutils5
libkworkspace5 libphonon4qt5-4 libplasma-geolocation-interface5 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libprocesscore5
libprocessui5 libqt5clucene5 libqt5concurrent5 libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5
libqt5designercomponents5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5multimedia5 libqt5multimediaquick-p5
libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5
libqt5script5 libqt5sql5 libqt5svg5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5
libtaskmanager5 libweather-ion7 libxcb-icccm4 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xkb1 milou oxygen-sounds
plasma-desktop-data plasma-framework plasma-workspace qdbus-qt5 qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop
qml-module-org-kde-kcoreaddons qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons
qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel qml-module-org-kde-solid qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects
qml-module-qtmultimedia qml-module-qtquick-controls qml-module-qtquick-dialogs qml-module-qtquick-layouts
qml-module-qtquick-privatewidgets qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2
qtdeclarative5-controls-plugin qtdeclarative5-kf5declarative qtdeclarative5-kf5solid
qtdeclarative5-quicklayouts-plugin qttools5-dev-tools systemsettings-data
The following packages will be upgraded:
kde-full kde-plasma-desktop kde-plasma-netbook kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
kde-workspace-data kdeadmin kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdeutils khelpcenter4
klipper kmenuedit ksysguard ksysguardd libdbusmenu-qt2 libkactivities-bin libphonon4 phonon
plasma-desktop plasma-nm systemsettings
26 upgraded, 179 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 89.3 MB of archives.
After this operation, 297 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
This looks pretty good, doesn't it? Shall I let it upgrade?
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This looks pretty good, doesn't it? Shall I let it upgrade?
Yes, as long as the machine you are upgrading is not a a "production" machine everything seems ok. By the way frameworks 5.1.0 and plasma 5.0.1 are coming, I will open a new thread for them.
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OK the d-u went through without error and upon reboot KDE5 came up very much the same as the one that I installed on siduction nox. A little playing around revealed that systemsettings>multimedia is crashy on this VM also -- possibly that has to do with it being on a VM instead of real hardware. Otherwise everything that I played with seems to work as expected. Thanks for your work on this Santa!
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I have just pushed a set of updates:
- the issue with kde-l10n-* is now fixed, so it's safe to dist-upgrade from KDE SC 4 even if you have any kde-l10n-something installed
- the KDE Frameworks libraries were updated from 5.0.0 to 5.1.0 (released last friday)
OK the d-u went through without error and upon reboot KDE5 came up very much the same as the one that I installed on siduction nox. A little playing around revealed that systemsettings>multimedia is crashy on this VM also -- possibly that has to do with it being on a VM instead of real hardware. Otherwise everything that I played with seems to work as expected. Thanks for your work on this Santa!
I doubt the crash in systemsettings multimedia has something to do with your virtual machine, it seems to me an unrepoducible bug; someone in kubuntu's irc mentioned something similar. Since plasma 5.0.1 is going to be released soon: let's wait until I get this new version of plasma in siduction (hopefully soon) and if you still have the crash I can guide you to provide a meaningful backtrace.
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Just ran the updates. I see that the "kdesu" function is not yet working. Both window decorations work correctly, as long as you don't try to "Add more". Under systemsettings>desktop behavior, I can set multiple virtual desktops and that works, but I don't see the ability to have different widgets for each desktop.
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I saw a strange behavior in Plasma 5 in my machine. Some gaps and hangs. When i saw the CPU, i found kded5 using 100% of CPU. I found some references about powerdevil and some packaging errors and asked my self if in siduction got this attention.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674 (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674)
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I saw a strange behavior in Plasma 5 in my machine. Some gaps and hangs. When i saw the CPU, i found kded5 using 100% of CPU. I found some references about powerdevil and some packaging errors and asked my self if in siduction got this attention.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674 (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674)
KDE frameworks and plasma 5 packages in siduction are a spin off of kubuntu's ones, what I am doing right now is from time to time is:
- get a snapshot
- apply our siduction specific changes via an automated script
- build the packages, fix whatever needs to be fixed, test and release to kdenext.
So any problem fixed in kubuntu's packaging sooner or later will be also available in siduction.
The particular problem you are asking about probably is not fixed yet in siduction, but will be with the next batch of updates.
I hope that replies to your question.
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Hi Santa
You replied absolutly my question. I imagined that is a work "in batch", times in times, with your free time in adjust this spinoff.
So, i have two things to say:
1) Thank you by this big job in "translate" back this work in kubuntu (to siduction/debian); and
2) Some prevision to next batch/updade? ;-)
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2) Some prevision to next batch/updade? ;-)
It's being worked on, I got everything built, but I'm still testing the upgrades and dealing with the issues. Also I had to fix a few issues in kubuntu's packaging, I guess I will send the patches back to kubuntu.
As usual: no estimated time to arrival, it will be released when it's done. Could be sooner or later depending on the results of my tests.
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Done. Everything updated to kde frameworks 5.3.0 and plasma 5.1.0.1, please let me know of any problems you may consider I'm not aware of.
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Hi Santa
Thank you by your work. I will probe latter and I give a feedback as soon possible.
Anyway, a question: Some news about the qtbase-abi-5-x-x and qtdeclarative-abi-5-x-x pkgs? Yet have dependences in the Packages[1] and i could find them in the repo.
[1]http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/dists/kde-frameworks-exp/main/binary-amd64/Packages
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Hi Santa
Thank you by your work. I will probe latter and I give a feedback as soon possible.
Anyway, a question: Some news about the qtbase-abi-5-x-x and qtdeclarative-abi-5-x-x pkgs? Yet have dependences in the Packages[1] and i could find them in the repo.
[1]http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/dists/kde-frameworks-exp/main/binary-amd64/Packages
Those packages just needed a rebuild to get their dependencies right (almost all dependencies are calculated when building the packages). All the affected packages where rebuilt in order to provide the latest upstream versions, therefore they should have the right dependencies and they should be installable now, and the dist-upgrade should work fine. If I'm wrong and the dist-upgrade doesn't work fine, please let me know so we can fix it for everybody. ;)
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Thank you, Santa!
A fresh installation worked flawlessly here :)
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Thank you Santa. I just ran d-u on the system I installed at Reply #21, which started out as December with KDE 4.x. This d-u ran through to completion, and I've had a little bit of playing with it. I can't find a problem with it -- even the multimedia setting is working as expected.
Nice work -- thanks!
Edit : Here is a tiny nit -- "kdesu" does not initiate a package launch, it is necessary to use kubuntu's "kdesudo". Here is a launch attempt in the terminal window:
$ kdesu konsole
/bin/sh: 1: kdesu: not found
$ kdesudo konsole
$
But, after "kdesudo konsole", and entering the root password, the launch fails silently, as you see.
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Edit : Here is a tiny nit -- "kdesu" does not initiate a package launch, it is necessary to use kubuntu's "kdesudo". Here is a launch attempt in the terminal window:
$ kdesu konsole
/bin/sh: 1: kdesu: not found
$ kdesudo konsole
$
But, after "kdesudo konsole", and entering the root password, the launch fails silently, as you see.
I can't investigate this now because I still have several things to do in KDE SC 4 and Plasma 5. Added to my list of things to check.
By the way, there is another batch of updates in kdenext/kde-frameworks; they provide the newer KDE Frameworks 5.4.0, and a rebuild of Plasma 5 done to fix some packaging errors.
Soon there will be also a new upstream Plasma 5 release available (5.1.1) .
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I had not updated that VM since 3 NOV, so today I ran d-u and pulled in 371 packages, including the new KDE packages. I installed pulseaudio and gstreamer0.10 packages, but the system-settings > multimedia audio settings still have no backend for the audio system, although the pavucontrol settings look reasonable. The kdesu/kdesudo issue remains the same as I previously reported.
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A little bit off topic, but this is one of the top results in Google for installing KDE 5 in Debian. I've written up some instructions for installing Plasma 5 in Debian Sid using Siduction's repos: http://tombh.co.uk/plasma5-(kde5)-debian-sid/
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Hi dibl,
I ran into the same issue some days ago after transition to the new plasma.
Replacing the legacy phonon backend packages by the corresponding qt5 packages resolved this issue, maybe only partly.
# LANG=C dpkg -l *phonon* | grep backend
un phonon-backend <none> <none> (no description available)
un phonon-backend-gstreamer <none> <none> (no description available)
ii phonon-backend-gstreamer-common:amd64 4:4.8.2-0u1+siduction1 amd64 Phonon GStreamer 1.0.x backend icons
un phonon-backend-mplayer <none> <none> (no description available)
un phonon-backend-vlc <none> <none> (no description available)
un phonon-backend-xine <none> <none> (no description available)
un phonon4qt5-backend <none> <none> (no description available)
ii phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer:amd64 4:4.8.2-0u1+siduction1 amd64 Phonon Qt5 GStreamer 1.0 backend
ii phonon4qt5-backend-vlc:amd64 0.8.2-1u1+siduction1 amd64 Phonon4Qt5 VLC backendHope this helps :)
Greetings
Tom
Update:
Sorry, I did not notice your postings timestamp that is my posting could be removed.
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That information could be useful, we'll leave it. Heh, I did not even know there were that many backend packages, although my two Plasma 5 systems have good working audio. Thanks.
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Hi,
That information could be useful, we'll leave it. Heh, I did not even know there were that many backend packages, although my two Plasma 5 systems have good working audio. Thanks.
Just for the record, our kde-standard metapackage installs phonon4qt5-backend-vlc automatically so you will get the audio working out of the box.
A little bit off topic, but this is one of the top results in Google for installing KDE 5 in Debian. I've written up some instructions for installing Plasma 5 in Debian Sid using Siduction's repos: http://tombh.co.uk/plasma5-(kde5)-debian-sid/ (http://tombh.co.uk/plasma5-(kde5)-debian-sid/)
Indeed the kdenext packages could be installed in debian because they don't depend on other stuff we have in the ther siduction repositories. Another story is upgrading from the current debian sid kde packages to kdenext, that wasn't actually tested (but I could add d-u test to my current routine), and I guess that's why you mentioned how to remove plasma and kde stuff from debian first.
Another thing: the instrucions in the first post are outaded, the current instructions (for siduction) are available in the KDE community wki:
https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext#siduction
That being said, we have more stuff in siduction than kdenext, for instance towo is doing a splendid job providing us linux kernels more updated than debian, these kernels are also co-installable with debian's kernels, so if you have any problem with towo's you can always switch. You are very welcomed to try siduction and evaluate if you want to switch from debian sid. If you decide to stay with debian sid and keep using the kdenext packages you are also very welcomed to post in the forum if you find any issue.
I'm locking this topic now because it's outdated and may confuse users, we have a more updated thread here:
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5644.0
Feel free to continue the discussion there.
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As I wrote in musca's thread on updating Indiansummer (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5546.msg46381), I installed Indiansummer, added kdenext repo and dist-upgraded it with no problems caused by kde packages. Given the sad state, kde is in in sid right now, I can only congratulate and thank Santa. Great job, mate!
greetz
devil