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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: Santa on 2013/09/29, 17:33:45
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Hello,
since some hours ago KDE SC 4.11.2 core packages are available in kdenext/experimental-snapshots. Soon, the rest of non-core packages are going to be updated as well and they will be (probably) moved together to kdenext/unstable the day of the official -2 release (october 1). In the meantime, feel free to post about any issues you may have, but please refrain to report anything to bugs.kde.org until the .2 release isn't official yet.
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Update: 4.11.2 available in kdenext/unstable now.
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Yes it is -- and thank you very much!
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Thank you Santa, great job
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Thanks Santa. Excellent job with no problems.
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Working well, Thanks
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Oh no, since the update my icon sizes don't work anymore. In the systemsettings overview the icons are in fixed small size 32 and ignore the size for the dialog icons set to 64 and all small icons are set to fixed tiny size 16 although they are set to 32 in systemsettings! Help - how do I get my bigger icons back?
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Hmm, sinec 2 days (after an du) the desktop-switcher applet has only 1 row instead of 2. Changing it lasts only until the next login.
Someof my Desktop-settings/-effects are gone and, even really worse, kde doesn't know anymore about the installed "known" applications within the menue or when to open/handle embeded files in kmail.
All entries within "Anwendungen" are gone completely.
The control-bar is acting strange and the task-list applet doesn't allow to activate/switch to tasks which are not on the current desktop.
Gtk-baswed apps like thunar donotseem to have that problem.
regards
Reiner
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And my QtCurve theme with the dark menu bar also does not work anymore in KDE apps :(, some desktop widgets were reset to default values (e.g. disk space didn't display anything).
Thankfully at least my menu is intact and I always have the pager in one row...
The Search + Run favorites do work again with 4.11.2 - but the price for that is too high. Hope it can be fixed quickly, small icons are a pain for me.
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I can no longer automount my internal CDROM and card reader. KDE's device notifier indicates there are no devices available. And the logs indeed show that no devices are mounted.
I'm not sure if this existed prior to the KDE 4.11 series or not as I don't use CD/DVDs or SD cards very often.
I can manually mount both CD/DVD media and thereafter both CD/DVD and SD cards will automount when a different media is inserted. The automount will not survive a reboot however it will survive a log out of KDE. So the non-automounting may not be a KDE issue.
I'm not sure how to pursue the problem further as I don't know how siduction goes about automounting (except that the logs show some dbus and udisks activity).
If no one else using KDE 4.11 is experiencing this problem I'll bring it up in the Software Section.
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I can no longer automount my internal CDROM and card reader. KDE's device notifier indicates there are no devices available. And the logs indeed show that no devices are mounted.
Seems to be the same over here. The only thing shown is an "0B Wechseldatenträger" wich cannot be mounted and I donot know what device this should be :shock:
But its not sure whether kde is to blame for this as thunar (gtk-based) doesn't show my DVD either.
regards
Reiner
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I also cannot use my cardreader anymore.. :(
And the issue with the icon size: When I switch to Oxygen or whatever window style the icons become big again (following their settings in systemsettings). When I log out and back in the icons become tiny again and the style also looks different than Oxygen or whatever I use. I switch to some other style, icons are ok and style looks as expected, I log off again and back in - and voilà, same tiny icons and other style again. Could obviously go on forever. And happens with every user account.
EDIT: It is Plastique!! As soon as I use the Plastique window style the icons become that tiny too. And every time I re-login the style is obviously set to Plastique (though not shown in systemsettings under style - but it is Plastique)... It seems that Plastique is broken or breaks something? And how can I avoid that everything is set to Plastique on login?
Is this a siduction bug or a KDE one?
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root@x1:/home/piper# apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.piper@x1:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: x1 Kernel: 3.11-3.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: KDE 4.11.2 Distro: siduction 13.0.5 PaintItBlack - kde - (201308031300)
Machine: Mobo: Gigabyte model: GA-970A-UD3 version: x.x Bios: Award version: F7 date: 10/22/2012
CPU: Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm)
Clock Speeds: 1: 1400.00 MHz 2: 1400.00 MHz 3: 1400.00 MHz 4: 1400.00 MHz 5: 1400.00 MHz 6: 1400.00 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF106 [GeForce GTS 450] X.Org: 1.14.3 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1200@60.0hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 450/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 325.15
Audio: Card-1: NVIDIA GF106 High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.11-3.towo-siduction-amd64
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:a5:99:2d
Drives: HDD Total Size: 2820.6GB (55.5% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST3500630AS size: 500.1GB
2: id: /dev/sdd model: ST31000528AS size: 1000.2GB 3: id: /dev/sdc model: ST31000528AS size: 1000.2GB
4: id: /dev/sdb model: ST3320620AS size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID: / size: 255G used: 43G (17%) fs: reiserfs ID: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 26.5C mobo: N/A gpu: 36C
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 191 Uptime: 2:08 Memory: 1255.5/7973.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.14
I am not seeing this problem with cd/dvd nor usb, all works fine
dvd screenshot (http://home.roadrunner.com/~piper_1/images/dvd.png)
usb screenshot (http://home.roadrunner.com/~piper_1/images/usb.png)
what it looks like under /media (http://home.roadrunner.com/~piper_1/images/dvda.png)
The last link also shows my window style which for now is qtcurve and osx aurorae as window decoration, I don't have a problem with icons or icons being resized
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I can confirm that usb is not working anymore. It may be something other than kde, but it was upgraded at the same time.
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It must have been a kernel thing - I dist-upgraded (it included a kernel update) and things are working again.
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It must have been a kernel thing - I dist-upgraded (it included a kernel update) and things are working again.
I can confirm that too, did an du late last night to kernel 3.11-3 and after reboot this mornig my DVD-Drive is "seen" again.
regards
Reiner
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Regarding device recognition, please see
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=32923#32923 (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=32923#32923)
Greetings
Tom
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The last link also shows my window style which for now is qtcurve and osx aurorae as window decoration, I don't have a problem with icons or icons being resized
Which icon size do you use for small icons and which icon size for dialogs?
I can only see that the style (not the decoration) seems to be Plastique looking at the desktop context menu and tabs of dolphin.
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I should just add that although the DVD/CDROM and card reader wouldn't automount, USB flash Drives will.
Also the kernel upgrade to 3.11.3 didn't fix it for me.
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I can use my card reader only when my PC boots with inserted card...
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I have this Problem with my cardreader that comes with broadcom ethernet chip.
I think I`ll have to wait some kernel versions.
Can you see something like the following in /va/log/messages ?
mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt
if you have a bcm57785 ethernet/cardreader chip your workaround is:
modprobe -r tg3
modprobe tg3
removing and loading the ethernet driver brings up your sdcard!
strange!
just testet under linuxmint 15 will install siduction this weekend to see if that problem is up with the latest kernel.
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The latest du (10:32 in UK) of mostly KDE upgrades ie. from KDE 4.11.2-0r0 to 4.11.2-0r1 seems to have fixed my problem Both DVD/CDROM and card reader now automount, appear in the notifier and in Dolphin/Places.
Whoever fixed this gets my thanks.
Two other small problems.
(a) The eject icon in the notifier opens the tray and closes it immediately. I have to manually eject to get the media out of the drive.
(b) When running Krunner and selecting superuser mode from the drop down menu the superuser password dialog fails to appear and krunner eventually times out.
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The last link also shows my window style which for now is qtcurve and osx aurorae as window decoration, I don't have a problem with icons or icons being resized
Which icon size do you use for small icons and which icon size for dialogs?
I can only see that the style (not the decoration) seems to be Plastique looking at the desktop context menu and tabs of dolphin.
Hi spacepenguin
I have my small icons set at 22 & dialogs at 32
I don't use dolphin much, hardly at all, 99.9 % I use konqueror
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Could you please try with dialogs set to something bigger, piper?
BTW: It is not the Plastique style, it is Cleanlooks. Concerning the icon sizes there seems to be a bug with the built in window styles. I could verify this on a Kubuntu system. When I use the window styles Plastique, CDE, Motif, Clearlooks, Windows 9x the small icon size is ignored and 16 is used. And the dialog icon size is partly ignored, the icons in the systemsettings overview are displayed in size 32, the icons in the module sidebars are in correct size.
But in Kubuntu the style doesn't switch to Cleanlooks on its own (which causes the small icons). It is strange that I have this behaviour with all user accounts in siduction...
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Here is the dialogs set to 48
http://home.roadrunner.com/~piper_1/images/large%20icons.png
I will test Plastique, CDE, Motif, Clearlooks, Windows 9x when I get home from work today
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All applications look ok - it is only systemsettings overview that suddenly doesn't use icons larger than 32 after login. The problem is right after login. Then I can change it - but next login it is lost again, the desktop context menu icons are16 and the systemsetings overview icons are 32 and the window style looks like cleanlooks. Thanks for testing.
Why the built in cleanlooks...? I did never use it...
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Hmm, sinec 2 days (after an du) the desktop-switcher applet has only 1 row instead of 2. Changing it lasts only until the next login.
I can't reproduce this problem.
Someof my Desktop-settings/-effects are gone
You need to be more specific about this, otherwise there isn't much that can be done to fix it.
and, even really worse, kde doesn't know anymore about the installed "known" applications within the menue or when to open/handle embeded files in kmail. All entries within "Anwendungen" are gone completely.
I can't reproduce this problem, kmail opens attached files perfectly here. And the menu has everything which is suposed to have.
The control-bar is acting strange
You need to be more specific, without acess to your computer I don't know what "acting strange" is meaning here.
and the task-list applet doesn't allow to activate/switch to tasks which are not on the current desktop.
I can't reproduce this problem.
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@santa: Hmm strange.
The desktop-swsitcher. is constantly showing my 6 Desktops in one row on the contol-panel. The setup of the rows seems to default to 0 where it should be at least 1 instead. I change it to 2 and its ok until the next login. Then it is set to 0 again.
The desktop setup of the theme is gone, especially the window decorations/buttons. transparancy is lost.
Is not only the problem of attached files or how to open them, the K-Menu seems to have lost all infos about installed programms. Dolphin doesn't know any any more which program to use how to open them as he seems also have forgotten about all programms (i.ed shows no program for opening .pdf-files).
Thunar however (gtk-based) has no problems at all with that. Krusader which was placed in an control panel cannot got a strange icon there and cannot started from there any more. I have to open a terminal and call it manually.
If these problems are not appearing on other systems than something really strange is going on here. Maybe it is again about time to clean up and reinstall (which I inteded to do anyway with next release if it comes with systemd).
For time being I am using xfce instead.
regards
Reiner
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I dunno -- I have followed this thread with some anxiety, but playing with my KDE 4.11.2 desktop does not show any issues.
My application style is set to QtCurve, my desktop theme is air, my icon theme is oxygen team, and my window decorations are air-oxygen-style.
With widgets unlocked, I increased my panel height a bit, and changed the desktop pager to show my 4 virtual desktops in 2 rows, versus the default 1. It changed to a square of 4 virtual desktops. I set it to show the icons and that works. I locked the widgets, logged out, killed X, then restarted X and logged back in. Everything is set as I left it. Dolphin is working perfectly, and showing the places and devices in the left panel as expected.
I don't normally change the icon sizes, but I'm going to have a little play with that and see if it shows the issue that spacepenguin saw.
EDIT: I changed small icon size from 16 to 32, saw the sample icons get larger, applied it, and logged out and shut down X, restarted KDM and logged back in and checked it. It was still set at 32. I changed it back to 16, saw the sample icons reduce in size, and applied it. I'm not sure where in my normal viewing of files I would see "small icons" -- it's not something I use, I guess. But the settings do appear to be working as expected. So I wonder if this has to do with the Cleanlooks style, rather than the KDE settings.
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Hi,
as dibl said, no problems here at all.
Using Oxygen/Oxygen. Effects: Kscreen and transparency.
Greets
ayla
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hmm, looks really as this problem, is within my box then :evil:
I made an d-u on an laptop late night and had none of those issues too.
Looks like there is some work forme coming up.
regards
Reiner
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I don't normally change the icon sizes, but I'm going to have a little play with that and see if it shows the issue that spacepenguin saw.
Thanks for testing.
I'm not sure where in my normal viewing of files I would see "small icons" -- it's not something I use, I guess.
The "small icons" size is used e.g. in the menus, the desktop context menu, the dolphin folder sidebar,...
But the settings do appear to be working as expected. So I wonder if this has to do with the Cleanlooks style, rather than the KDE settings.
All built in window styles (except Oxygen - is it built in?) do change/ignore the icons size settings for small icons and force the systemsettings main window to use icons size 32 instead of the dialog icon size. The crux is - I do not use one of these styles, but for every user account the style is reset to cleanlooks (without changing the style setting in systemsettings). The window style dependent icon size thingy is a bug (even existed in 4.10), that happens on other distributions too, but as you all don't have your look reset that part has to be something within my system (since the update from 4.11.1 to 4.11.2)...
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The "small icons" size is used e.g. in the menus, the desktop context menu, the dolphin folder sidebar,...
Aha --, so for example the icons on my panel to launch my apps. Good -- I understand now -- thank you.
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i've finally give me a hard kick and enabled kdenext repo. dist-upgrade went fine. thanks, Santa!
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@spacepenguin: We do not recommend the use of qtcurve for longer then a year - you will be on your own. We don't support qtcurve related problems since then. As a alternative themeing engine for KDE we recommend (and use in the last releases) oxygen.
This will change with the next release, where we change the gtk engine back to gnome-themes-standard because of problems with several gtk applications, mostly inkscape and iceweasel.
So: Und nun das ganze in Deutsch. Wir haben qtcurve aus dem Relese geworfen, weil es so buggy war, dass ein sinnvolles Arbeiten damit nicht möglich war. Statt dessen haben wir auf gtk-oxygen umgestellt, was wesentlich weniger Fehler verursachte. Leider hat sich herausgestellt, dass auch durch diese Engine sehr viele Fehler in gtk-Applikationen ausgelöst wurden. Ultima ratio war der Wechsel zu gnome-themes-standards, die sind mittlerweile vom Aussehen sehr gut geworden und machen bis jetzt keine bekannten Probleme. Die Integration in KDE ist zwar nicht vollkommen, aber erträglich, noch wichtiger ist allerdings, es funktioniert.
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@agaida: I was sure that you'd say something like that (and I cannot hear it anymore, sorry). Oxygen cannot deliver a colored menubar for KDE apps so is no alternative for me. I don't use QtCurve for GTK I use it for KDE apps.
As long as it's proven that it is no siduction "feature" (as was the wbar issue and the change of the colortheme and icon sizes (!) after updating siduction-settings-kde or whatever package it was some time ago) by now I don't need any help in finding the cause. Thanks.
I just wonder why it was introduced with KDE SC 4.11.2...
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With regarding to the cases of storage devices not properly detected in kde, Tom posted this:
Regarding device recognition, please see
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=32923#32923
Greetings
Tom
Please don't ignore that thread, it's full of useful information. To sum up: I have switched kdelibs to use udisks2 instead of udisks version 1 some time ago, it worked very well for me, however, after seeing that some of you couldn't use some devices anymore I switched to udisks version 1 again. This is obviously a workaround, not a real fix for the problems (which will come back as soon as kdelibs packaging is changed to use udisks2 again). The explanation for the problems you have seen may be:
- a) You didn't have udisks2 installed.
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- b) You have expecienced a bug in libsolid-udisks2, udisks2 itself or something else used indirectly by solid or udisks.
So I have built a kdelibs package using udisks2 which is available here:
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext udisks2 main
So the persons who have problems with storage devices (as far as I know: clubex, ReinerS, spacepenguin, Crust, dieres) please if you have some free time try to add that line to your sources.list and try again to use the storage devices which didn't work previously. Thanks in advance.
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@Santa, udisks2 is needed when using systemd-204 !?
Many thanks!
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My issue is solved. Found the culprit. I already mentioned that the built in window styles are buggy in resetting and ignoring icon sizes and that somehow my window style always gets reset to the built in cleanlooks style. The question was just why that style as I never had used it wittingly.
After the confirmation here in the forum that no-one else has the problem with the reset style and therefore icon sizes I supposed that the installation of RazorQt had caused the trouble (freundliches "Klappe, agaida..." ;) ). RazorQt isn't installed on my system anymore but has presumably left some marks. Apparently RazorQt writes a [Qt] section with some default configuration into the file ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, i.a. "style=Cleanlooks". I have verified that it's RazorQt by looking at the file in a Firestarter RazorQt image in virtualbox. And my fresh Firestarter KDE install in virtualbox doesn't have that entry.
KDE SC seems to use the [Qt] section too. Alas it doesn't write the window style into it - but reads it from there! And obviously gives it - since KDE SC 4.11.2 - a higher priority than the settings the user made in systemsettings.
So after backing up the Trolltech.conf file I have deleted the whole [Qt] part from it and instantly, without re-login, my systemsettings' icons were normal again. Confirmed my "nameless" style of choice in systemsettings and now everything is ok.
Just for your info...
What remains are the buggy built in window styles but that doesn't bother me as I don't use them (wrote bug report on bugs.kde.org).
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tirili ... :D
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@santa: Even more strange. Logged in with kde again today and all of those problems I had mentioned before seem to have gone.
Well I did a d-u again late night but cannot remember that there was much in it which shhouldt have caused this. I additionally had installed udisk-glue (?).
regards
Reiner
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Santa: After the last KDE upgrade automounting of CDROM, card reader and USB flash drive was restored.
Never the less I added your repo and afterwards did a du. Amongst other things kdelibs was upgraded. Unfortunately once again I'm back to having no CDROM and SD card mounting although USB flash drives automount OK.
Throughout this period I've had both udisks and udisks2 installed but I can't find libsolid-udisks2.
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@santa
no change on my Acer B113. To get my sd card working, I must
unload tg3 modul. The card reader is not usb but connected through bcm57785 chip. It is not udisk2 related. Usb Sticks I see with fdisk -l, but they are not seen in Dolphin or "Geräteüberwachung".
root@acerb113:/home/didi# apt-cache policy udisks2
udisks2:
Installiert: 2.1.1-1
Installationskandidat: 2.1.1-1
Versionstabelle:
*** 2.1.1-1 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
root@acerb113:/home/didi# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/siduction.list
# official siduction-lists
deb http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/base unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/base unstable main
deb http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra unstable main
deb http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable main
deb http://packages.siduction.org/user unstable main contrib non-free
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext udisks2 main
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext unstable main
Is there something wrong with my siduction.list?
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Santa: Further to my above post RE: your udisks2 version of KDElibs. While merely inserting a media will not automount the media, an application such as Clementine or K3B will.
Rather than reverting to KDE4.11.2-0r1 (which worked for me) it's easier for me to wait for the next upgrade
EDIT: I should have added that media will not appear in Dolphin unless first opened with an application.
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So I have built a kdelibs package using udisks2 which is available here:
deb http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext udisks2 main
I have not tested this and everything works as it should now, all media are recognized by the device manager.
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[Edit]: Now I have enabled the repo and did a d-u: The following packages got installed:
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-dev kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools
libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5
libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5
libkidletime4 libkimproxy4 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4
libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4
libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libktexteditor4
libkunitconversion4 libkutils4 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a
libnepomukutils4 libplasma3 libsolid4 libthreadweaver4
40 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen 15,4 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 41,0 kB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
Alas I cannot test it now as my plasma-desktop always crashes: http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=33085#33085
[Edit 2]: Well, I guess it does not work. I cannot reach the device manager but when I open dolphin and insert some SD- or CF-card into my card reader or some CD/DVD into the drive nothing is shown in dolphin's places. Only when I insert some USB stick it is shown in the sidebar.
I really need to revert that update somehow...!
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I tried the update with santas new repo now.
The good thing is that inserting CDs/DVDs or Sticks is recognised here (still).
The bad thing is plasma-desktop still here stays completely black and crashes when restarting it via an xterm.
netbook-plasma works here too so I could test the handling of CDS/DVDs/Sticks with that.
regards
Reiner
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I reverted the installation of the mentioned files to the versions they were before, disabled Santa's repo and all media do work again (i.e. they appear in dolphin's places sidebar after inserting them). I still have the black = crashed plasma-desktop so at least that has to be something else...