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Siduction Forum => Installation - Support => Topic started by: johangwbasson on 2013/11/15, 08:30:48
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Good Day
I am trying to install siduction on a HP-G72 laptop. I have downloaded the iso, wrote it to a usb disk and booted from it. I boots fine into the XFCE. When I try to run the installer nothing happens. I then tried to run chromium from the terminal, but it "hanged".
I tried running ceni from the terminal, but the message from it was that it needed root privileges and asked for a password.
I tried running "sux ceni", that also hangs.
I booted with a lan cable, but when i try to run "/sbin/ifconfig" it also hangs.
Eventually I ran "fw-detect" and it picked up that I need realtek firmware (r8169)
I downloaded the firmware.tar.gz from debian and have the firmware-realtek.deb file.
My question is: How can I get the firmware on the usb or get the firmware installed in the live environment?
My suspicion is that there is no network and it causes everything to "hang"
Thank you
Johan
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You can install the .deb you have by navigating to the directory, where the deb-file is (cd downloads e.g.) and do:
dpkg -i firmware-realtek.deb (if that is the correct name of the deb)
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Thank you for your reply
I tried:
sux dpkg -i firmware-realtek.deb
sudo dpkg -i firmware-realtek.deb
all which hangs
I tried:
su
and:
dpkg -i firmware-realtek.deb
which gave me a error : "requested operation requires superuser privilege"
I also checked the iso's md5 and it is correct
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Johan
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this reminds me of this thread (in german): http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3891.0
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You need to specify the exact name of the downloaded .deb which in this case should be firmware-realtek_0.40_all.deb
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When I try to run the installer nothing happens. I then tried to run chromium from the terminal, but it "hanged".
Does the installer really need an internet connection??
And even Chromium doesn't need a connection to start...
Have you checked the md5sum of the downloaded ISO & on the usb disk before booting into siduction? Have you tried/can you try the usb disk with siduction with another PC (same symptoms or not)?
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Does the installer really need an internet connection??
The installer does not need an internet connection to run However, if you are installing on a laptop that is not connected via ethernet cable, and the wifi chip needs proprietary firmware, and you click "Yes" to get the proprietary firmware, then it might appear that the firmware is being installed, but it is not and you end up with an OS but no internet.
If it is possible to connect the laptop with an ethernet cable, just during the installation of the OS, then you can get the firmware during installation and you will not have the problem of installing the firmware with no internet connection.
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Thanks for clarification, dibl. So the installer seems to have a bug if it fools the user like that ;). But nontheless the installer should start from live CD without internet connection, shouldn't it?
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The installer is happy to run from a CD or a USB stick, with no internet connection. But, as I said above, if firmware is needed for the wifi chip, then you might be fooled (like I was) and not understand why you have no internet. If you can connect the laptop with an ethernet cable first, then run the installer, that is the fast way to get the job done.
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@sunrat firmware-realtek_0.40_all.deb is the deb file I am trying to use.
@spacepenguin I have md5sum the iso I downloaded and it is correct. I also tried the same
usb stick on a HP Mini 200 and it the installer started. I had the ethernet cable connected to
my router and the netbook.
I still suspect, that the Lan interface (eth0) is not being detected due to the firmware, and therefore cannot connect.
The /etc/host file also looks strange with some entries which points to non-normal ip adresses. I suspect for some
reason it is trying to find these ip's.
The strange thing for me is that su, sux and sudo hangs, on normal debian I have never
experienced it.
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The strange thing for me is that su, sux and sudo hangs, on normal debian I have never
experienced it.
In siduction we do not have sudo enabled by default -- it is not expected to work.
There is an old bug in sux that gives an error like this:
don@tosh205:~$ sux
Password:
bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
bash: no job control in this shell
root@tosh205:/home/don#
But this error has no effect -- you are still root and have root privileges. You can also open a root terminal (from a user terminal) with "suxterm" and the root password.
So, to run your dpkg command, from the user prompt you can enter "sux" or "suxterm", and then either way you get to the root prompt, and from there you enter your dpkg -i command to install your package.
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this reminds me of this thread (in german): http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3891.0 (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3891.0)
please allow me to direct the attention to my previous post.
johangwbasson, can you please read through it and comment whether you are experiencing the same problems in using su/sudo/sux?
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@absolut It sounds like the same problem, but I bought this machine in 2010/2011 somewhere, so it cannot be a GPT issue
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http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-g72-250us-17/4507-3121_7-34120477.html (http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-g72-250us-17/4507-3121_7-34120477.html)
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okay... interesting...
johangwbasson, would you be able to test linux mint debian edition or ubuntu with su and sudo on your machine?
i wonder if it might be an actual issue with the iso that is triggered by some specific hardware combination?
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LMDE worked perfectly on this machine.
As mentioned before I tried the same usb on a HP mini and installer worked. I did not test su or sux but i would assume it would work as the installer started.
This must be a hardware issue then.
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LMDE worked perfectly on this machine.
As mentioned before I tried the same usb on a HP mini and installer worked. I did not test su or sux but i would assume it would work as the installer started.
This must be a hardware issue then.
i did not mean that the hardware is broken, but there seems to be some kind of a constellation that triggers this issue on the siduction xfce iso... btw, did you try siduction KDE version?
maybe the devs can help us out here... what kind of information is necessary to track down the cause of this problem?
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I have the same problem in a Toshiba A660 with xfce too. I need 'firmware-realtek' but is completly impossible to install it because no root command works: su, sux, gksu and root-terminal.
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try a live iso - sudo su works - without sudo su there is no installation. if you are in live, chroot the system and repair it.
Maybe it's a good idea to use one of our irc channels - the forum is not the best place for online support.
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Thanks melmarker, but the problem is in the live version. I can't install because all root programs remain frozen and don't do their function.
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You should really come to IRC with this. That would be helpful for us also, to see what the issue is here. Root works fine on Live-ISO here.
greetz
devil
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I downloaded again the iso and checked the checksum. then, I created the usb drive with 'dd' as they suggested on irc, but the problem persists. I tested with xfce and gnome, and I don't know where I should look to find the problem which prevents the operation of sux, sudo, su and su-to-root in the liveCD.
Any suggestion?
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Does Alt-F2 bring up the "run" dialog? Can you "gksu terminal"? (I don't know what the name of the gnome terminal is.)
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Does Alt-F2 bring up the "run" dialog? Can you "gksu terminal"? (I don't know what the name of the gnome terminal is.)
Yes, I tried it with the same resoult
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It would be interesting to learn whether you have the same problem with a KDE or LXDE ISO image. I realize you want XFCE, but it's difficult to know whether the problem is with the XFCE ISO image, the DE, or something else (hardware/firmware items).
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It would be interesting to learn whether you have the same problem with a KDE or LXDE ISO image. I realize you want XFCE, but it's difficult to know whether the problem is with the XFCE ISO image, the DE, or something else (hardware/firmware items).
Hello @dibl, I tried with Gnome, Xfce and Rqt. Gnome and Xfce had the problem, but rqt worked perfectly.
I'm thinking to do a instalation with rqt and then remove it and install xfce desktop, but I prefer to try a clean instalation of xfce if it's possible
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If you can install NoX, then you can go on IRC and get one of the devs to help you install the needed X and Xfce packages, and configure your login manager.
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I really appreciate your help! I don't know if do it ir wait to the next release.
Regards
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I would try installing NoX, then run d-u, which will be a big one since the last ISO was in May or June. After that is done, with guidance from the devs on IRC, it should not be a huge project to install X, Xfce, and a login manager and get it configured as you want.
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You've convinced me. I hope to have a quiet afternoon this week to do it.
Thank you!
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You should really come to IRC with this. That would be helpful for us also, to see what the issue is here. Root works fine on Live-ISO here.
greetz
devil
ajavlbp, did you see devils suggestion to come to IRC for support? i second this idea, because this way you could help tracking down the issue.
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Yes, I did. There is a problem with the xfce and gnome instalator with my hardware, and it seems to be complex to solve. I think is silpler to install nox and then install x and xfce than try to solve the problem.
Thanks for your interest.
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Finally I did the installation. I assumed some work, but I have it fully functional. Thank you very much everyone for your help and your advices.