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Offline melmarker

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The gates of hell are opened ...
« on: 2015/04/26, 16:02:27 »
and the first evil packages just landed in in sid
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# LANG=C sudo apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  python-samba samba samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules
  samba-vfs-modules
The following packages have been kept back:
  libflac8 libldb1 python-ldb vlc-data
The following packages will be upgraded:
  bzr devscripts flac libasn1-8-heimdal libflac++6
  libgssapi3-heimdal libhcrypto4-heimdal libhdb9-heimdal
  libheimbase1-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal libhx509-5-heimdal
  libkadm5clnt7-heimdal libkadm5srv8-heimdal libkafs0-heimdal
  libkdc2-heimdal libkrb5-26-heimdal libotp0-heimdal
  libroken18-heimdal libsl0-heimdal libtalloc2 libtevent0
  libvisio-0.1-1 libwind0-heimdal links2 lynx lynx-cur
  python-bzrlib python-ecdsa python-talloc python3-ecdsa usbview
  vim vim-common vim-gtk vim-gui-common vim-runtime
36 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 16.1 MB of archives.
After this operation, 20.8 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

So be prepared ...
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Offline seasons

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #1 on: 2015/04/26, 16:17:44 »
I'm all good except for waiting for 32-bit version of libflac to hit the repo. Crank it up a notch!

Offline DeepDayze

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #2 on: 2015/04/26, 17:29:29 »
Looks like the storm has arrived...be ready for a bumpy ride  ;)

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #3 on: 2015/04/26, 17:44:51 »
only a side note - we should eventually consider that it is clever to use the new apt wrapper instead of apt-get - only a thought. Standard behaviour of apt is  --with-new-pkgs by default which could be helpful in situations like this - hmm, this trigger should be helpful allways.
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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #4 on: 2015/04/26, 20:52:33 »
One more side note, or question. If moderator want to move this to somewhere else, do that.

How safe is it to use apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade when the later want to take away packages and the first put packages on hold and upgrade everything else?

dist-upgrade:
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root@T420:/home/vilde# LANG=En apt-get dist-upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gvfs-backends libsmbclient mplayer2 samba-libs smplayer
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libisl13 libx265-43
The following packages will be upgraded:
  binutils libass5 libav-tools libavcodec56 libavdevice55 libavfilter5
  libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libcloog-isl4
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386
  libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libldb1
  libswscale3 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libva-drm1 libva-x11-1 libva1 va-driver-all
28 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 10.2 MB of archives.
After this operation, 24.5 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

upgrade:
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root@T420:/home/vilde# LANG=En apt-get upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libavcodec56 libcloog-isl4 libldb1
The following packages will be upgraded:
  binutils libass5 libav-tools libavdevice55 libavfilter5 libavformat56
  libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386
  libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386
  libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libswscale3 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libva-drm1
  libva-x11-1 libva1 va-driver-all
25 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 5884 kB of archives.
After this operation, 134 kB disk space will be freed.
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Offline DeepDayze

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #5 on: 2015/04/26, 20:55:14 »
One more side note, or question. If moderator want to move this to somewhere else, do that.

How safe is it to use apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade when the later want to take away packages and the first put packages on hold and upgrade everything else?

dist-upgrade:
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root@T420:/home/vilde# LANG=En apt-get dist-upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gvfs-backends libsmbclient mplayer2 samba-libs smplayer
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libisl13 libx265-43
The following packages will be upgraded:
  binutils libass5 libav-tools libavcodec56 libavdevice55 libavfilter5
  libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libcloog-isl4
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386
  libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libldb1
  libswscale3 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libva-drm1 libva-x11-1 libva1 va-driver-all
28 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 10.2 MB of archives.
After this operation, 24.5 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

upgrade:
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root@T420:/home/vilde# LANG=En apt-get upgrade -d
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libavcodec56 libcloog-isl4 libldb1
The following packages will be upgraded:
  binutils libass5 libav-tools libavdevice55 libavfilter5 libavformat56
  libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386
  libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386
  libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libswscale3 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libva-drm1
  libva-x11-1 libva1 va-driver-all
25 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 5884 kB of archives.
After this operation, 134 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n

Not really a good idea to use apt-get upgrade vis-a-vis apt-get dist-upgrade IMO so best to wait till the dust settles :)

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #6 on: 2015/04/26, 21:24:33 »

How safe is it to use apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade


It is probably safe enough, for awhile.  But upgrade will not add new packages released by Debian for the core OS.  So after some time of using only update, you don't have a Debian distribution any more.   :'(




p.s.  Bye-bye samba -- don't need it anymore, anyway.
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Offline DeepDayze

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #7 on: 2015/04/26, 21:27:03 »

How safe is it to use apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade


It is probably safe enough, for awhile.  But upgrade will not add new packages released by Debian for the core OS.  So after some time of using only update, you don't have a Debian distribution any more.   :'(




p.s.  Bye-bye samba -- don't need it anymore, anyway.

A good reason to not make it a real habit to do only apt-get upgrade...too many things end up getting broken that way ;)

All I need is the samba client to access a Windows share really

Offline melmarker

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #8 on: 2015/04/26, 21:57:51 »
Is waiting for a few days really such a big blocker??? Do any essential thing not work and must be fixed wihin a hour? NO? - Ok, wait a few days is the better idea.

Of course - one can learn a lot by messing up a system :D
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Offline jure

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #9 on: 2015/04/26, 22:28:35 »
same pc same time

apt-get dist-upgrade
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apt-get[b]dist-upgrade
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.       
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
  python-samba samba samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules smbclient
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  libisl13
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
  libldb1 python-ldb
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  binutils clamav clamav-base clamav-docs clamav-freshclam devscripts ding libasn1-8-heimdal libass5 libav-tools libavcodec56
  libavdevice55 libavfilter5 libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libclamav6 libcloog-isl4 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386
  libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libflac++6 libflac8 libglib-perl
  libgssapi3-heimdal libgtk2-perl libhcrypto4-heimdal libhdb9-heimdal libheimbase1-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal libhx509-5-heimdal
  libkdc2-heimdal libkrb5-26-heimdal libmusicbrainz5-1 libroken18-heimdal libswscale3 libtalloc2 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libtevent0
  libva-drm1 libva-glx1 libva-x11-1 libva1 libvisio-0.1-1 libwind0-heimdal libwireshark-data libwireshark5 libwiretap4 libwsutil4
  python-talloc python-tdb qlandkartegt-garmin tdb-tools trans-de-en vim vim-common vim-runtime wireshark wireshark-common
67 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 5 zu entfernen und 2 nicht aktualisiert.

apt upgrade
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apt upgrade
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.       
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  libisl13
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
  libldb1 python-ldb
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  binutils clamav clamav-base clamav-docs clamav-freshclam devscripts ding libasn1-8-heimdal libass5 libav-tools libavcodec56
  libavdevice55 libavfilter5 libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54 libbluray1 libclamav6 libcloog-isl4 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386
  libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvbpsi9 libflac++6 libflac8 libglib-perl
  libgssapi3-heimdal libgtk2-perl libhcrypto4-heimdal libhdb9-heimdal libheimbase1-heimdal libheimntlm0-heimdal libhx509-5-heimdal
  libkdc2-heimdal libkrb5-26-heimdal libmusicbrainz5-1 libroken18-heimdal libswscale3 libtalloc2 libtdb1 libteamdctl0 libtevent0
  libva-drm1 libva-glx1 libva-x11-1 libva1 libvisio-0.1-1 libwind0-heimdal libwireshark-data libwireshark5 libwiretap4 libwsutil4
  python-talloc python-tdb qlandkartegt-garmin tdb-tools trans-de-en vim vim-common vim-runtime wireshark wireshark-common
67 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 2 nicht aktualisiert.
Gruss Juergen

Offline vilde

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #10 on: 2015/04/26, 23:31:58 »
Is waiting for a few days really such a big blocker??? Do any essential thing not work and must be fixed wihin a hour? NO? - Ok, wait a few days is the better idea.

Of course - one can learn a lot by messing up a system :D
I am in no hurry, my question was because apt-get upgrade was mentioned somewhere else for some time ago on the forum, I did react because as I remember we have always been told only to use apt-get dist-upgrade.  Now I have got some clear answers about that and that's good.

Beside that I do mess up my system then and then, no big deal for me, I have my imported things saved and if I shall mess up a system totally siduction is the best to do that with. I have never had another os that can be installed and ready with my files and programs in so short time as siduction. ;)
« Last Edit: 2015/04/26, 23:37:30 by vilde »

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #11 on: 2015/04/27, 10:01:20 »
(...) But upgrade will not add new packages released by Debian for the core OS.  So after some time of using only update, you don't have a Debian distribution any more.   :'(   (...)
The wrapper 'apt' (instead of apt-get) has the switch --with-new-pkgs enabled by default, see man(8 ) apt -> Differences to apt-get. So:
 Using 'apt-get upgrade' will work on upgradable packages, not remove anything, not install new ones.
 Using  ' apt upgrade ' will work on upgradable packages, not remove anything, but install new ones if necessary.

Therefore I mentioned the usage of apt upgrade somewhere else as a kind of workaround if one really needs it and cannot wait some days. However, and ever being true, to keep a Sid distro up and rolling the recommended way still is usage of apt-get dist-upgrade and brain. Everything else happens here in virtual machines only.
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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #12 on: 2015/04/27, 12:26:57 »
I was planning on installing Siduction Xorg.  I guess with the recent Debian Stable release, I should probably sit tight for awhile until things settle down some.

Offline cas

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #13 on: 2015/04/27, 12:39:46 »
Is waiting for a few days really such a big blocker???

Sometimes I use the following hack:

First I download only:
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apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -dy

If DU seems not appropriate, because something would get removed, I type
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apt-get install -s
and copy  only 1 line of the "apt-get -dy" output  and append it to "apt-get install -s".

If output seems OK, I repeat this command, but without the "-s" flag.
Then I try again with the next line of  "apt-get -dy" output until "apt-get install -s" finally says, it would remove something.

This procedure is cumbersome and error prone, because you might overlook important messages of  " apt-get install -s".
But just not DUing, sometimes leaves me in unrest too  :)

C
 

Offline Jörg

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Re: The gates of hell are opened ...
« Reply #14 on: 2015/04/27, 13:17:49 »
Not in a hurry, but curious what the opened gates of the hell will bring me, I get:

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[13:03:12] root@thinkpad-s540:/home/jorg# apt-get dist-upgrade -dV                                                                 
Reading package lists... Done                                                                                                       
Building dependency tree                                                                                                           
Reading state information... Done                                                                                                   
Calculating upgrade... Done                                                                                                         
The following NEW packages will be installed:                                                                                       
   libisl13 (0.14-2)                                                                                                               
   libx265-43 (1.5-1)
The following packages will be upgraded:
   binutils (2.25-6 => 2.25-7)
   debianutils (4.4+b1 => 4.5)
   libasn1-8-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libass5 (0.10.2-3 => 0.12.1-2)
   libav-tools (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavcodec56 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavdevice55 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavfilter5 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavformat56 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavresample2 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libavutil54 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libbluray1 (0.6.2-1 => 0.7.0-2)
   libcloog-isl4 (0.18.2-1+b2 => 0.18.3-1)
   libdrm-intel1 (2.4.58-2 => 2.4.60-3)
   libdrm-nouveau2 (2.4.58-2 => 2.4.60-3)
   libdrm-radeon1 (2.4.58-2 => 2.4.60-3)
   libdrm2 (2.4.58-2 => 2.4.60-3)
   libdvbpsi9 (1.2.0-1 => 1.2.0-2)
   libflac++6 (1.3.0-3 => 1.3.1-2)
   libflac8 (1.3.0-3 => 1.3.1-2)
   libgeoip1 (1.6.2-4 => 1.6.5-2)
   libgssapi3-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libharfbuzz-icu0 (0.9.35-2 => 0.9.40-2)
   libharfbuzz0b (0.9.35-2 => 0.9.40-2)
   libhcrypto4-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libheimbase1-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libheimntlm0-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libhx509-5-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libkrb5-26-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libldb1 (1.1.17-2 => 1.1.20-1)
   libmusicbrainz5-1 (5.1.0-2 => 5.1.0-3)
   libp11-kit0 (0.20.7-1 => 0.23.1-2)
   libpciaccess0 (0.13.2-3+b1 => 0.13.3-1)
   libperl5.20 (5.20.2-3 => 5.20.2-4)
   libroken18-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libsmbclient (4.1.17+dfsg-2 => 4.1.17+dfsg-3)
   libswscale3 (11.3-1 => 11.3-2)
   libtalloc2 (2.1.1-2 => 2.1.2-3)
   libtasn1-6 (4.2-3 => 4.4-3)
   libtdb1 (1.3.4-1 => 1.3.4-2)
   libteamdctl0 (1.12-2 => 1.17-1)
   libtevent0 (0.9.22-1 => 0.9.24-1)
   libupower-glib3 (0.99.1-3.2 => 0.99.2-3)
   libva-drm1 (1.4.1-1 => 1.5.1-2)
   libva-glx1 (1.4.1-1 => 1.5.1-2)
   libva-x11-1 (1.4.1-1 => 1.5.1-2)
   libva1 (1.4.1-1 => 1.5.1-2)
   libvlc5 (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   libvlccore8 (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   libwbclient0 (4.1.17+dfsg-2 => 4.1.17+dfsg-3)
   libwind0-heimdal (1.6~rc2+dfsg-9 => 1.6~rc2+dfsg-10)
   libxdmcp6 (1.1.1-1+b1 => 1.1.2-1)
   libxshmfence1 (1.1-4 => 1.2-1)
   links (2.8-2+b3 => 2.9-3)
   nmap (6.47-3+b1 => 6.47-4)
   perl (5.20.2-3 => 5.20.2-4)
   perl-base (5.20.2-3 => 5.20.2-4)
   perl-modules (5.20.2-3 => 5.20.2-4)
   python-talloc (2.1.1-2 => 2.1.2-3)
   rkhunter (1.4.2-0.4 => 1.4.2-1)
   samba-common (4.1.17+dfsg-2 => 4.1.17+dfsg-3)
   samba-dsdb-modules (4.1.17+dfsg-2 => 4.1.17+dfsg-3)
   samba-libs (4.1.17+dfsg-2 => 4.1.17+dfsg-3)
   sed (4.2.2-4+b1 => 4.2.2-5)
   tzdata (2015c-1 => 2015d-1)
   upower (0.99.1-3.2 => 0.99.2-3)
   vim (7.4.488-7 => 7.4.712-1)
   vim-common (7.4.488-7 => 7.4.712-1)
   vim-runtime (7.4.488-7 => 7.4.712-1)
   vlc (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   vlc-data (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   vlc-nox (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   vlc-plugin-pulse (2.2.0-1 => 2.2.1-1)
   xkb-data (2.12-1 => 2.14-1)
   xterm (312-2 => 318-2)
75 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 46.9 MB of archives.

That does look safe to me, but I am not absolutely sure ... what's your opinion!?

Greetings,
Jörg