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Siduction Forum => Upgrade Warnings => Topic started by: melmarker on 2018/07/25, 16:59:15
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One could take the chance and update frequently and as soon as possible if one want to get rid of KDE Plasma (at least the platform dependend parts) - all others should take extra care and releax for two or three days. Same goes for LXQt.
Wenn ihr KDE loswerden wollt - wenigstens die unwichtigen plattformspezifischen Pakete - immer feste updaten, passt schon. Alle anderen KDE/Plasma-User: Zwei-drei Tage die Füsse stillhalten und apt output lesen vorm Drücken von <y> - das selbe gilt für LXQt
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Thanks for the warning! I just upgraded a KDE and a LXQt system, but the dangerous packages aren't yet available in the U.S.
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https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=qtbase-opensource-src&suite=sid
https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-11-0.html
They will be there soon.
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I also just updated a KDE & an LXQt system without problems. Thanks for the warning, I will keep a closer watch.
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Now, we wait ....
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64 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 118 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 42.1 MB of archives.
After this operation, 568 MB disk space will be freed.
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Now, we wait ....
But, you knew that was coming ;)
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Now, we wait ....
and wait and wait...
269 aktualisiert, 3 neu installiert, 250 zu entfernen und 2 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen noch 0 B von 351 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
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Das wird noch ne Weile dauern diesmal - leider kam das "kleine" Problem mit login/util-linux dazwischen, das hat erst mal die Builder ausser Gefecht gesetzt - und in der Zwischenzeit sind schon wieder neue Sachen am Start, die sich somit erfolgreich in diese Transition gedrängelt haben und den Prozess erfolgreich verlangsamen. (Patience ...)
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Patience, that's the perfect name for siducton we just need to have a little more some times like during transitions. Though it is very hard to keep still knowing there is something newer just around the corner. ;)
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Yeah cause new is always better (btw not good to tell that your ex girlfriend when u are drunk^)
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Schaut schon mal besser aus. Allerdings will er noch Nepomuk entfernen .... da müssen wir unter KDE wohl noch ein bisschen warten?
Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
akonadi-backend-sqlite kpartsplugin libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
akonadi-backend-mysql
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
libpcre3:i386
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools kwin-common kwin-x11 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5
libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui5 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkio5 libkjsapi4
libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4
libktexteditor4 libkwin4-effect-builtins1 libkwineffects11 libkwinglutils11 libkwinxrenderutils11 libplasma3 libqt5concurrent5
libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5multimedia5 libqt5multimedia5-plugins
libqt5multimediagsttools5 libqt5multimediaquick5 libqt5multimediawidgets5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5positioning5
libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickcontrols2-5 libqt5quicktemplates2-5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5script5
libqt5sensors5 libqt5serialport5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-mysql libqt5sql5-psql libqt5sql5-sqlite libqt5svg5 libqt5test5
libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5waylandclient5 libqt5waylandcompositor5 libqt5webchannel5 libqt5webengine-data libqt5webengine5
libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5 libqt5xmlpatterns5 libsolid4
libthreadweaver4 linux-headers-siduction-amd64 linux-image-siduction-amd64 plasma-integration python-dbus.mainloop.pyqt5
python-pyqt5 python3-pyqt5 qdbus-qt5 qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel qml-module-qt-labs-settings qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects
qml-module-qtmultimedia qml-module-qtqml-models2 qml-module-qtquick-controls qml-module-qtquick-controls2
qml-module-qtquick-dialogs qml-module-qtquick-layouts qml-module-qtquick-privatewidgets qml-module-qtquick-templates2
qml-module-qtquick-virtualkeyboard qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 qml-module-qtwebkit qt5-gtk-platformtheme
qt5-image-formats-plugins qt5-qmltooling-plugins qtwayland5 riot-web telegram-desktop vivaldi-snapshot wireshark-common
wireshark-qt
111 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 5 zu entfernen und 1 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen 222 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 2.252 kB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
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Mag ja 'ne doofe Frage sein, aber die 4 in den Dateinamen deutet doch eigentlich auf KDE4 hin? Kann es sein das Nepomuk eh raus fliegt/schon geflogen ist?
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This morning, I stopped waiting. ;D
On my KDE laptop, d-u ran two times. First time:
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kpartsplugin libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 plasma-widget-adjustableclock
The following NEW packages will be installed:
linux-headers-4.17.11-towo.1-siduction-amd64 linux-image-4.17.11-towo.1-siduction-amd64
The following packages will be upgraded:
bind9-host binutils binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu bsdutils cpp-6 cpp-8 cryptsetup-bin ...
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248 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 317 MB of archives.
Apt-listbugs still shows a warning on util-linux, but I think it is a different issue than two days ago. So I proceeded with the d-u.
Then a reboot.
Second d-u:
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
linux-headers-4.17.8-towo.2-siduction-amd64 linux-image-4.17.8-towo.2-siduction-amd64
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages have been kept back:
cpp-8 g++-8 gcc-8 gcc-8-base libasan5 libatomic1 libcc1-0 libgcc-8-dev libgcc1 libgfortran5
libgomp1 libitm1 liblsan0 libmpx2 libquadmath0 libtsan0 libubsan1 login
The following packages will be upgraded:
akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server libkf5akonadi-data libkf5akonadiagentbase5
libkf5akonadicore5abi1 libkf5akonadiprivate5abi1 libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1
7 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,390 kB of archives.
After this operation, 197 kB of additional disk space will be used.
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I tested "kdesu konsole" and it works correctly. In a user konsole terminal I tested "su" and it works correctly.
I looked for nepomuk packages and there is only one left:
root@hp-350g:/# apt-cache policy nepomuk*
nepomuk-core-data:
Installed: 4:4.14.3-siduction1
Candidate: 4:4.14.3-siduction1
Version table:
*** 4:4.14.3-siduction1 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
I don't know whether that one is needed any more, or not, so I will leave it until those who know better than me (or apt) says it is not needed.
If there is anything different about my system or my desktop settings, I can't find it by working with it. Probably the Qt 5.11 documentation tells what is changed.
So for me, the waiting is over. Your mileage may vary, of course. 8)
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Same here - apt full-upgrade removed these packages:
kpartsplugin libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4
I guess you don't need kpartsplugin anymore (Netscape-compatible plugin to embed KDE file-viewers into browser, last updated in 2012) and since baloo replaced nepomuk there should be no need to keep the nepomuk libs. There are no nepomuk related packages installed on my system but lots of baloo packages.
I do not notice any problems. I for example checked su -c lsmod => it works as expected.
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Ja, die Pakete sind obsolet und konnten gefahrlos entfernt werden. Jedenfalls bootet das System nach dem d-u einwandfrei und auch KDE zeigt bisher keine Auffälligkeiten :-)
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d-u just completed successfully, no apt-listbugs warning for util-linux and su appears to be working.
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LXQt system also safe for d-u now:
208 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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A d-u is long overdue on my kde5/plasma system, but are these removals safe? It I don't care about the libre office style, but what about python-kde4 & libdns1100 ?
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kpartsplugin libdns1100 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libreoffice-style-galaxy python-kde4
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My list of "these will be removed" went down to two items, almost there.
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@Kan, I think the list of removals is related to how old a KDE installation is. On my HP laptop (earlier post) that was originally "Indian Summer", there were 5 removals. On a "Patience" system set up earlier this month, there were only 2 removals.
EDiT: And don't assume all removals will eventually disappear. Sometimes sid packages become obsolete and are removed through the d-u.
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That is true. Also the package maintainers may just be slow in updating. I will wait a few more days and then do an update.
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A d-u is long overdue on my kde5/plasma system, but are these removals safe? It I don't care about the libre office style, but what about python-kde4 & libdns1100 ?
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kpartsplugin libdns1100 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libreoffice-style-galaxy python-kde4
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All of those were removed with my d-u last night except kpartsplugin and python-kde4, both of which are not installed at all. You should be good to go if that's all the removals.
That is true. Also the package maintainers may just be slow in updating. I will wait a few more days and then do an update.
You might be waiting forever for your 2 removals to not appear on the list. What packages are they?It may be best to do your d-u now while there are only 2 removals! ;)
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@sunrat Thanks. I'd worked out that libdns1100 would go when dnsutils was updated, but that status of pyhton-kde4 remained a query. Decided to d-u now and restore if necessary.
edit: D-U completed OK but util-linux pakage update is still causing issues.
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Have been offline some weeks. How is the status? is it safe?
At themoment theese packegas are to be removed:
kftpgrabber libdns1100 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libreoffice-style-galaxy pulseaudio-module-gconf
War ein paar Wochen offline. Ist ein DU sicher?Momentan werden entfernt:
kftpgrabber libdns1100 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libreoffice-style-galaxy pulseaudio-module-gconf
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The transition can be considered as done
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Two nights ago I updated a KDE and LXQt install with no untoward effects. The files removed were either replaced or weren't needed anymore. I think it's safe at the moment.
Edit: Thanks melmarker, good to know.
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Thanks to both of you!