Having read this article
www.h-online.com/open/features/Seeking-Enlightenment-1739812.html
I liked what was said and I thought I would look again at at another WM. I have regularly tried them all over the years and the recent thread about Razorqt tempted me to look again at alternative to i3 which I have been using for the last year or so and Openbox before that, fed up, as are a lot of other users at the direction and complexity of KDE. Razor was a big disappointment, in functionality no better than Openbox and E17 has also been the same in the past,a lot of potential but buggy.I have to say though that I think E17 has changed significantly . It is great. I just used the version from Sid and it is well worth a try if you are looking for a modern light fast configurable WM although it seem more a DM to me. I use a mixture of GTK and QT applications, the best application for each task and Enlightenment works great with all of them. The configuration options are good but not always that obvious but after two days I have a very usable system. So usable I have now moved away from i3wm as my default. There is also a new release imminent, good times ahead.
have you seen bodhi linux? it's based on ubuntu and has a 5 year stability plan of backports and a 64 bit version all based on e17.
http://www.bodhilinux.com/
Bohdi looks fine but it is based on Ubuntu, if it changed to Debian I would consider trying it. Enlightenment is just a WM I don't think it needs a dedicated distro.
I agree, E17 is just an extended WM, BUT the work Bodhi-Linux is doing in preconfiguring the different setups for E17 on tablets, desktops and laptops is awesome!
And you will also need those packages transfered to Debian for a nice E17 experience in E17.
What do you think is missing from Debian that Bohdi has, I would be interested in improving my e17 experience.Maybe I will give the live version a run to see what an optimised version looks like.
I'm following e17 development now and then.
If you are interested in trying it on a debian base you could give a try to
e17 flavour of snowlinux. It's based on testing and does a quite good job, even if I didn't try it for a long time.
cheers
Thanks turtaf but I don't think there is any need for a specific ISO to run E17. I have tried Bohdi today and I can't see that it is any different functionally from my version installed from the sid repro. In fact part of the interest in installing a non optimised version is the learning process of discovering all the configuration options. I am happy with the sid version and did not see anything in Bohdi to think it would be any better. Having said that Bohdi has a quality installer and a nice basic desktop.
Quote from: "titan"Thanks turtaf but I don't think there is any need for a specific ISO to run E17. I have tried Bohdi today and I can't see that it is any different functionally from my version installed from the sid repro. In fact part of the interest in installing a non optimised version is the learning process of discovering all the configuration options. I am happy with the sid version and did not see anything in Bohdi to think it would be any better. Having said that Bohdi has a quality installer and a nice basic desktop.
So you saying that the E17 packages in Sid are good enough for everyday use? If you have a good configuration that works well could you share it with us?
I can only speak from my experience. I installed the packages from sid and it gives a very usable desktop. From the Debian changelog it looks like the end of May was the last update so it may not be fully up to date. There is no hand editable config file as with i3 and Openbox it is all done with GUIs, although there is a hidden .e folder in the user directory. There is only one theme shipped ( which you will want to change!!) but loads are available as are icons. The panel (i-bar) has basic apps installed along with sound control and clock etc but I removed the apps and created a favourites menu for my most used apps which is available with a right click like Openbox.It is a WM I don't know what people expect. It runs GTK and QT apps seamlessly and tries to use a common e17 theme where possible. It is simple to install and run and can just as easily be removed. If you are interested give it a try there's nothing to loose.E17 certainly does not require a dedicated distro. I have tried it in the past a few times but it was buggy, this time it looks very polished and so far bug free.
Quote from: "titan"From the Debian changelog it looks like the end of May was the last update so it may not be fully up to date.
That's the main reason why I was suggesting that to try Snowlinux E17.
Sid packages are rather old and might suffer from more bugs:
- Snowlinux repo based on version 78753
- Sid repo based on version 70492-2 according to package name
I don't have the time to go through all the changelogs now, but I guess that something might have been upgraded, seen the number of releases in-between, but if you say Sid packages are fine, even better!
Unluckily experimental does not include any newer e17 packages (any at all, actually).
Anyway, e17 developers do say that they might be coming to a stable release...(unbelievable!!) http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/10/ and therefore let's hope to get a stable release and maybe a usable official repo for sid.
Said so, I'm really curious to check out the sid version one of these days!
Cheers
This thread forced me to do just a short "it works" study in my virtualbox-installation:
Siduction noX spiced up with e17 = http://paste.siduction.org/20121106151923.jpg (should have posted this in Show Your Desktop, though).
I would like E17, but I cannot bear the theme:
This glittering glory might resonate on some multimedia device. But if you want to work with your desktop for a few hours you want something smart, nothing that gets your eyes tired :(
Well, at least nox gets put to some use.
Quote from: "ralul"I would like E17, but I cannot bear the theme:
This glittering glory might resonate on some multimedia device. But if you want to work with your desktop for a few hours you want something smart, nothing that gets your eyes tired :(
ralul, as you are an experienced siduction user (1436 posts) I find it hard to believe you cannot install an e17 theme you like, it took me just a few minutes to find and install a suitable theme. To reject an easily configurable WM because of one element of the shipped configuration you don't like seems an illogical criticism. :o
Quote from: "titan"
ralul, as you are an experienced siduction user (1436 posts) I find it hard to believe you cannot install an e17 theme you like, it took me just a few minutes to find and install a suitable theme. To reject an easily configurable WM because of one element of the shipped configuration you don't like seems an illogical criticism. :o
LOL
Other good news coming on the topic
http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news%2Fshow&l=en&news_id=62
And for the themes, I think it should be easy to install them after downloading from here http://e17-stuff.org (pick the newest ones, which should work on newer enlightenment versions)
On the other hand it looks like the official enlightenment site for customization is no longer maintained (http://exchange.enlightenment.org/theme)
Installed from sid repo yesterday evening, didn't do that much, but nothing bad to report so I'm keeping it together with the awesome xfce 4.10 provided by siduction repos (:idea:)
Have a nice day everyone! [/img]
cool, the e17 alpha is out! that means it will probably be in Sid about half a year from now ;-)
Quote from: "titan"I find it hard to believe you cannot install an e17 theme you like, it took me just a few minutes to find and install a suitable theme. To reject an easily configurable WM because of one element of the shipped configuration you don't like seems an illogical criticism. :o
Quote from: "turtaf"it should be easy to install them after downloading from here http://e17-stuff.org
@titan
@turtaf
Thank you for your hint! I appreciate (My comment was intended to get this helping feedback). Some time ago (more than a year) I had a failed try getting an e16.99 installation adapted. Reading the actual changelog I can see there have been a lot of bugs fixed in the e17 gui interface recently. I hope it is getting easier to adapt e17 :)
And I will try soon ...
Back in the sidux days, I have quite a few e17 iso builds, this one is a e17 build with fvwm-crystal wallpaper as default, I can't remember the reason for the location of the wallpaper, it seems ages ago
FLL_DESCRIPTION="enlightenment with KDE-lite"
FLL_PRE_PROCESSING=(
"#!/bin/bash"
"echo \"---- in preprocessing ----\""
"# paste your code here (not necessary for normal install, only for preconfigs)"
"echo \"---- preprocessing done----\""
)
FLL_PACKAGE_DEPMODS=(
)
FLL_PACKAGES=(
edje0-bin
embryo0-bin
enlightenment
libe-dbus0
libecore0
libecore0-con
libecore0-config
libecore0-dbus
libecore0-evas
libecore0-fb
libecore0-file
libecore0-ipc
libecore0-job
libecore0-txt
libecore0-x
libedje0
libeet0
libefreet0
libembryo0
libevas0
libevas0-engine-buffer
libevas0-engine-software-generic
libevas0-engine-software-x11
libevas0-loader-eet
libevas0-loader-jpeg
libevas0-loader-png
libevas0-saver-eet
libevas0-saver-jpeg
libevas0-saver-png
entrance
edje-bin
libevas0-engines
libevas-engine-xrender
libe-dbus0-bin
libe-dbus-bin
)
FLL_POST_PROCESSING=(
"#!/bin/bash"
"echo \"---- in postprocessing ----\""
"#echo Wallpaper-Set '/usr/share/wallpapers/sidux.png' > /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/preferences/LastChoosenWallpaper"
"echo \"---- postprocessing done----\""
)
I might tinker with this again, free time is tough
arno91: That means that e17 is alpha. (Eventually for the next ten years :D )
@agaida,
They claim: Before a release the enlightenment ToDo list should be emptied. I only can see a xrandr issue to do!
Und? Was ändert das? Papers and lists are patient.