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Been using linux for a while - trying out siduction xfce on a 30GB section of My HD.

Now the first thing I've all ways done is to update/upgrade using synaptic - no synaptic

So went to terminal and did  - apt-get update && apt get upgrade

Now looking at forum it looks like this is a big no no - will it have broken My system ?

Next if I install synaptic can it safely be used to install programs , for instance leafpad ?

Hello and wellcome !

we suggest to do  updates/upgrades not while running an graphical gui as synaptic.
The reason for this is that during an upgrade parts of the underlying graphic system (xorg) maybe upgraded/replaced. So your graphic gui might fail and leave you with an half upgrated or unuseable system.
This happens quite extremly rare but you have to keep it in mind  if you use a tool like synaptic.

Instead it is suggested:

Start in console-mode (init 3)
Login as root.
Execute

apt-get update.
Execute apt-get dist-upgrade.
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regards

Reiner

Quote from: theblackpigBeen using linux for a while - trying out siduction xfce on a 30GB section of My HD.

Welcome to siduction!

QuoteNow the first thing I've all ways done is to update/upgrade using synaptic - no synaptic

If you like it, use synaptic for research. Don't use it for installs or dist-upgrades. It's not installed because we don't recommend it's use (for installs).

QuoteSo went to terminal and did  - apt-get update && apt get upgrade

Now looking at forum it looks like this is a big no no

We completely agree with using apt and it's brothers and sisters, but "apt-get upgrade" is a "no, no", right. I am sure, whereever you read this "no, no" there was mentioned the "Yes,Yes" option, like here (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?msg=32775#32775).
Instead of "apt-get upgrade[/color]" **always** use "apt-get dist-upgrade[/color]" in RL 3 (aka init 3).

Quote- will it have broken My system ?

Is it still working ("apt-get upgrade" is not guaranteed to break your system each time you use it, but it will happen rather sooner than later)?

QuoteNext if I install synaptic can it safely be used to install programs , for instance leafpad ?

Simply don't do it.

Have fun ;-)

Hmm just done
apt-get update
and
apt-get dist-upgrade

Now no usable system (running from live cd )Siduction loads but no login screen - complete blank !!!

What's gon wrong ?
Is there any way to restore the system ?

Quote from: "theblackpig"..Siduction loads ...

Did you reboot? A live system?

I *assume* that dist-upgrade pulled to many new packages and you ran out of RAM.

I don't understand your setup. Live or 30 GB hd?

If you only want to try out use a usb-stick and install to it like you do to hd. Then you have the complete usb-sitck for dist-upgrades. With live system you only have the Ram space.

But if you have the system on hd and now a blank screen, how blank is it? Black konsole with "Login:" in the upper left corner?

Quote from: "michaa7"

Quote from: "theblackpig"..Siduction loads ...

Did you reboot? A live system?

I *assume* that dist-upgrade pulled to many new packages and you ran out of RAM.

I don't understand your setup. Live or 30 GB hd?

If you only want to try out use a usb-stick and install to it like you do to hd. Then you have the complete usb-sitck for dist-upgrades. With live system you only have the Ram space.

But if you have the system on hd and now a blank screen, how blank is it? Black konsole with "Login:" in the upper left corner?

Hi michaa7 My hard drive is partitioned to give Me a 30 GB section where I can install other operating systems to 'play' with without mucking up My main OS.
I made the mistake of using 'apt-get upgrade' , I have now done a fresh install, however I did 'apt-get update' then 'apt get dist-upgrade and got this -

Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main xserver-xorg-video-ati amd64 1:7.2.0-1+b3
 Could not connect to ftp.spline.de:80 (130.133.110.66). - connect (113: No route to host)
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main xserver-xorg-video-qxl amd64 0.1.0-3~pre1
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main xserver-xorg-video-radeon amd64 1:7.2.0-1+b3
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main libsnmp-base all 5.7.2~dfsg-8.1+b0+b1
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main libglib2.0-0 amd64 2.37.5+really2.36.4-0r0
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main libopus0 amd64 1.1~beta-90r0
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main linux-image-3.11-2.towo-siduction-amd64 amd64 3.11-5
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext/ unstable/main xfce4-settings amd64 4.11.0-1
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-common all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-de all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-en all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-pt-br all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-pl all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-it all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual-ro all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main bluewater-manual all 02.19
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main distro-defaults all 2013.08.25
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main linux-headers-3.11-2.towo-siduction-amd64 amd64 3.11-5
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main wbar-theme-xfce all 0.13
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/ unstable/main weechat all 0.4.1-2+b0+b1
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main linux-headers-siduction-amd64 amd64 3.11-5
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main linux-image-siduction-amd64 amd64 3.11-5
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main siduction-scripts all 2013.07.28
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Err http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/ unstable/main siduction-settings-xfce all 2013.07.5
 Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_7.2.0-1+b3_amd64.deb  Could not connect to ftp.spline.de:80 (130.133.110.66). - connect (113: No route to host)
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-qxl/xserver-xorg-video-qxl_0.1.0-3~pre1_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-radeon_7.2.0-1+b3_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/n/net-snmp/libsnmp-base_5.7.2~dfsg-8.1+b0+b1_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0_2.37.5+really2.36.4-0r0_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/o/opus/libopus0_1.1~beta-90r0_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/l/linux-siduction/linux-image-3.11-2.towo-siduction-amd64_3.11-5_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext/pool/main/x/xfce4-settings/xfce4-settings_4.11.0-1_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-common_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-de_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-en_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-pt-br_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-pl_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-it_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual-ro_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/b/bluewater-manual/bluewater-manual_02.19_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/f/fll-live-initscripts/distro-defaults_2013.08.25_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/l/linux-siduction/linux-headers-3.11-2.towo-siduction-amd64_3.11-5_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/w/wbar-themes/wbar-theme-xfce_0.13_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes/pool/main/w/weechat/weechat_0.4.1-2+b0+b1_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/l/linux-siduction/linux-headers-siduction-amd64_3.11-5_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/l/linux-siduction/linux-image-siduction-amd64_3.11-5_amd64.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/s/siduction-scripts/siduction-scripts_2013.07.28_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
Failed to fetch http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base/pool/main/s/siduction-settings/siduction-settings-xfce_2013.07.5_all.deb  Unable to connect to ftp.spline.de:http:
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
root@john:/home/john#

What should I do ?

Yes, rerun "apt-get update" until it runs to successful completion.

Tim

Hi theblackpig and welcome to siduction

Try changing your sources to    deb ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/base unstable main
   deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/base unstable main
   deb ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra unstable main
   deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra unstable main
   deb ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable main
   deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable main

If you can't get to the desktop use nano to change sources
nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/siduction.list
Then doinit 3 && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgradeIf any errors, (not the error above that you posted, because that mirror is down at the moment, at least it is here) try runningapt-get -f install

OK folks, now all sorted , thanks for your help  :D