Hello,
I'd like to migrate from Debian (stable) to siduction, Most of the time I was using Debian Sid, but recently went to the stable in order to reduce possible admin overhead. Distros like openSuse Tumbleweed are not suitable for me - fiddling with 3rd party repos for media stuff etc. So, siduction wit hits btrfs/snapper-rollbacks feature and being community distro looks as the right thing.
Unfortunately, my attempt to test it a bit on my spare machine - old netbook is failure...
Although the same (xfce) iso image does work with my main (bios) machine, it fails on Lenovo E125 netbook - there is no grub screen visible.
The specs of the machine are:
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Lenovo E125-303522U
Processor. AMD C-50 2 x 1 GHz, Ontario.
AMD Radeon HD 6250 - shared memory; vom Hauptspeicher bis zu 1972 MB VRAM, Core: 275 MHz, Memory: 533 MHz, 8.813.4.0.
4 GB. , PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM.
Display. 11.60 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 pixel, TN, glossy: yes.
I assume it could be due to its (small) screen resolution and hendrikL on #siduction hinted I might need
nomodeset variable?
Another idea is to try with some older iso (xfce) image, but could not find any. :(
Any hint?
Older ISO's can still be found here: https://testbuilds.siduction.org/
You should show the command to better evaluate your problem:
# parted -l
nomodeset you can run, nothing will break ;)
Quote from: unklarer on 2023/10/15, 10:29:53
Older ISO's can still be found here: https://testbuilds.siduction.org/
Thank you!
QuoteYou should show the command to better evaluate your problem:
Model: USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdd: 15,4GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags:
Number Start End Size File system Name Flags
1 32,8kB 190kB 158kB Gap0 hidden, msftdata
2 190kB 3140kB 2949kB EFI boot partition boot, hidden, esp
3 3140kB 2899MB 2896MB Gap1 hidden, msftdata
How does it look like?
Quotenomodeset you can run, nothing will break ;)
How when I do not get to the Grub menu, iow. with siduction-22 iso I only get to the "Welcome to GRUB" and then the process hangs, while with siduction-23 image I do not even see that title?
Usually you start the machine in question with the siduction-live-iso and show the parted command from it.... or, are you kidding me?
Quote from: unklarer on 2023/10/15, 13:54:16
Usually you start the machine in question with the siduction-live-iso and show the parted command from it.... or, are you kidding me?
No, I'm not kidding you...why should I?
I thought you're interested in the output of cmd to see whether the image was transferred to the stick properly.
Considering I can't start machine with siduction-live-iso, how can I run parted cmd on it?
I continue my fight with the attempt to boot siduction live-iso on my netbook...tried with some older images, but the best what I get is "Welcome to Grub" and then it hangs.
When I insert my dd-prepared stick into my desktop machine I see the following in dmesg-output:
[ 320.367811] usb 8-1: Product: SanDisk 3.2Gen1
[ 320.367812] usb 8-1: Manufacturer: USB
[ 320.367813] usb 8-1: SerialNumber: 00008724082821101726
[ 320.368231] usb-storage 8-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[ 320.368504] scsi host13: usb-storage 8-1:1.0
[ 321.384257] scsi 13:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
[ 321.384605] sd 13:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0
[ 321.385309] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] 30031872 512-byte logical blocks: (15.4 GB/14.3 GiB)
[ 321.386568] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off
[ 321.386573] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
[ 321.387594] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[ 321.412206] GPT:Primary header thinks Alt. header is not at the end of the disk.
[ 321.412211] GPT:6007019 != 30031871
[ 321.412213] GPT:Alternate GPT header not at the end of the disk.
[ 321.412214] GPT:6007019 != 30031871
[ 321.412216] GPT: Use GNU Parted to correct GPT errors.
[ 321.412226] sde: sde1 sde2 sde3
[ 321.412593] sd 13:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk
and wonder whether it is normal?
The fact is that I can boot isos from many different distros (Debian, Fedora, Mint, openSuse, SpiralLinux,...), but the one from siduction does not work. :o
The parted command can also be issued by any other Linux... (debian preferred)
Please give also the machine data for the people who know about EFI: inxi -MGxxx
Far from the flight, did you try debian stable on that netbook, if you think oder distributions works with it?
Or did you get it to boot with another distribution?
Quote from: gour on 2023/10/16, 08:16:50
and wonder whether it is normal?
Yes, it is.
You use a 15.4 GB stick and copy an image that sets its own end at 2.9 GB.
I suspect one of the frequently described problems with Secure Boot and/or the CSM setting in the bios.
Quote from: hendrikL on 2023/10/16, 12:24:30
Far from the flight, did you try debian stable on that netbook, if you think oder distributions works with it?
Yes, debian installer works OK. I had Tumbleweed on that machine recently installed. SpiralLinux iso also does boot. Actually, I
never experienced such problem that iso from the stick does not boot,
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Or did you get it to boot with another distribution?
No, I try to boot directly from the stick.
Quote from: scholle1 on 2023/10/16, 12:44:02
Yes, it is.
Good. ???
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I suspect one of the frequently described problems with Secure Boot and/or the CSM setting in the bios.
In my bios I've settings to use legacy/uefi/both and something does happen (I can see "Welcome to Grub") only when it is set to 'uefi'.
Have you verified your download from isobuilds.siduction.org/ or testbuilds.siduction.org/ with the checksums provided?
Quote from: scholle1 on 2023/10/16, 13:21:17
Have you verified your download from isobuilds.siduction.org/ or testbuilds.siduction.org/ with the checksums provided?
Yes. Let me add that e.g. newest iso boots normally on my main desktop bios/gpt machine, but before migrating to Siduction I'd like to test it a bit on the spare (uefi) machine which is problematic. :(
How old is your netbook, meaning, can it handle GPT partitioned media (at all)?
The debian (live) ISOs are classical mbr partitioned or (Apple) MAC partitioned.
Sorry, forget my question. When it is "secure boot" capable it must understand GPT.
Quote from: ro_sid on 2023/10/16, 17:24:44
How old is your netbook, meaning, can it handle GPT partitioned media (at all)?
Sure it can...actually I've, due to some bug in bios, problem using bios/gpt, but uefi does work well.
Quote from: unklarer on 2023/10/16, 10:16:55
The parted command can also be issued by any other Linux... (debian preferred)
At the moment, I was only able to boot sysrescuecd since I do not have any distro installed...
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Please give also the machine data for the people who know about EFI: inxi -MGxxx
Here is the output:
root@sysrescue ~]# inxi -MGxxx
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 303527G v: ThinkPad Edge E125
serial: LR4B4ND Chassis: type: 10 serial: LR4B4ND
Mobo: LENOVO model: 303527G serial: 1ZJKR17F37D UEFI: LENOVO
v: 8PET36WW (1.18 ) date: 10/31/2012
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] vendor: Lenovo driver: radeon
v: kernel arch: TeraScale-2 ports: active: LVDS-1 empty: HDMI-A-1,VGA-1
bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:9802 class-ID: 0300
Device-2: Suyin Integrated Camera driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 2-5:2 chip-ID: 064e:e285 class-ID: 0e02
serial: HF0316-S71L-MI03-VL-R00.01.02
Display: server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X:
loaded: radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: r600 gpu: radeon
display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.21x7.99")
s-diag: 414mm (16.31")
Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS model: AU Optronics 0x315c res: 1366x768
hz: 60 dpi: 136 size: 256x144mm (10.08x5.67") diag: 294mm (11.6") modes:
max: 1366x768 min: 640x480
API: OpenGL Message: Unable to show GL data. Required tool glxinfo
missing.
Any hint?
Quote from: scholle1 on 2023/10/16, 12:44:02
I suspect one of the frequently described problems with Secure Boot and/or the CSM setting in the bios.
I've made some progress!
Based on the screen I saw when booted into desktop bios/gpt machine, I simply blindly - the screen is blank - pressed down-arrow and enter and was able to boot from iso. :)
However, the installer failed at 'grub-install' phase since due to bios error in my machine, in order to properly install new distro I have to pass
efi_no_storage_paranoia to the Grub entry.
I've tried to fix the issue by running chroot-helper, but
grub-install /dev/sda reports 'no space on device'.
So, any idea how to install grub post festum?
I've tried to change grub parameters by adding the above parameter and issuing,
update-grub which goes well, but the issue is how to install Grub on my HDD's MBR?
So, my conclusion is that the problematic issue is
not due to UEFI settings. The problem seems to be with the Grub menu, which is not visible, and therefore I'm not able to properly select an entry and edit it to pass the required parameter.
Any hint?
Well, one idea I should have thought of much earlier is a totally different one:
Why do you not install "ventoy" on your stick an put any ISO files (e.g. the siduction xfce one) on it. This would clarify your "display" problem, since "ventoy" uses grub, too. On the other hand, when it works you can than boot the ISO from it.
Very mysterious
QuoteHowever, the installer failed at 'grub-install' phase since due to bios error in my machine, ...
You know about a BIOS error and we are banging on about UEFI, BIOS, MBR, GPT all the time.
Please fix your UEFI/BIOS first.
Maybe here:
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-edge-laptops/thinkpad-edge-e125/ (https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-edge-laptops/thinkpad-edge-e125/)
I am out for now.
Quote from: scholle1 on 2023/10/17, 21:04:28
You know about a BIOS error and we are banging on about UEFI, BIOS, MBR, GPT all the time.
Please fix your UEFI/BIOS first.
I'm living with that error since latest BIOS does not fix it and the fix is simple...when installing some distro in UEFI mode (BIOS/GPT combo is also problematic) I just have to pass efi_no_storage_paranoia kernel parameter and everything is fine.
However, the problem is that I do not see Grub's menu in siduction's iso and will try ventoy tomorrow...
btw, I've installed siduction on my main machine and this is written from within it. 8)
Quote from: ro_sid on 2023/10/17, 14:28:58
Well, one idea I should have thought of much earlier is a totally different one:
Why do you not install "ventoy" on your stick an put any ISO files (e.g. the siduction xfce one) on it. This would clarify your "display" problem, since "ventoy" uses grub, too. On the other hand, when it works you can than boot the ISO from it.
That was it! You saved the show. ;)
I was able to boot siduction iso with ventoy, pass required
efi_no_storage_paranoia kernel parameter which enabled installer to properly install grub in hdd's mbr.
The conclusion is that there is (for my machine) some issue with siduction's Grub menu not allowing to properly display splash graphic and showing the menu entries... :D