[language=english]I have been pushing off my full upgrade for a few weeks now and it seems things are calming as today I have 2 packages that want to be removed. kwayland-data and libkf5guiaddons-bin. I have many dependencies waiting to be installed. One of which is the version 6 of libkf6guiaddons-bin. I do not use wayland currently. So I am wondering if we are seeing KDE 6 incoming and is it safe for me to remove this one kde 5 library as kde is my main DE. Thank you all very much. Always appreciate the community here and the help and guidance provided. Here is my dependency list which probably doesn't matter.
Installing dependencies:
kded6 libkf6bluezqt6 libkf6config-data libkf6dbusaddons-data libkf6iconthemes-data libkf6kcmutilsquick6 libkf6purpose-data libkf6wallet6 libkirigamidialogs6 libqt6multimedia6 qml6-module-org-kde-purpose
kio6 libkf6breezeicons6 libkf6configcore6 libkf6dbusaddons6 libkf6iconthemes6 libkf6kiocore6 libkf6purpose6 libkf6walletbackend6 libkirigamilayouts6 libqt6quickcontrols2-6 qml6-module-qtqml
kwallet6 libkf6codecs-data libkf6configgui6 libkf6doctools6 libkf6iconwidgets6 libkf6kiogui6 libkf6purposewidgets6 libkf6widgetsaddons-data libkirigamiplatform6 libqt6quickshapes6 qml6-module-qtquick
kwayland5-data libkf6codecs6 libkf6configwidgets-data libkf6guiaddons-bin libkf6itemviews-data libkf6kiowidgets6 libkf6service-bin libkf6widgetsaddons6 libkirigamiprimitives6 libqt6quicktemplates2-6 qml6-module-qtquick-controls
libkf6archive-data libkf6colorscheme-data libkf6configwidgets6 libkf6guiaddons-data libkf6itemviews6 libkf6notifications-data libkf6service-data libkf6windowsystem-data libkirigamiprivate6 qml6-module-org-kde-bluezqt qml6-module-qtquick-dialogs
libkf6archive6 libkf6colorscheme6 libkf6coreaddons-data libkf6guiaddons6 libkf6jobwidgets-data libkf6notifications6 libkf6service6 libkf6windowsystem6 libpolkit-qt6-1-1 qml6-module-org-kde-kcmutils qml6-module-qtquick-layouts
libkf6auth-data libkf6completion-data libkf6coreaddons6 libkf6i18n-data libkf6jobwidgets6 libkf6prison6 libkf6solid-data libkirigami-data libqca-qt6-2 qml6-module-org-kde-kirigami qml6-module-qtquick-shapes
libkf6authcore6 libkf6completion6 libkf6crash6 libkf6i18n6 libkf6kcmutils-data libkf6prisonscanner6 libkf6solid6 libkirigami6 libqca-qt6-plugins qml6-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons qml6-module-qtquick-templates
libkf6bluezqt-data libkf6config-bin libkf6dbusaddons-bin libkf6iconthemes-bin libkf6kcmutilscore6 libkf6purpose-bin libkf6wallet-data libkirigamidelegates6 libqt6core5compat6 qml6-module-org-kde-prison qml6-module-qtquick-tooling
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I'm not a kde user but looking at your list both those packages are being replaced
kwayland5-data
Quote from: eriefisher on 2024/09/15, 18:49:36
I'm not a kde user but looking at your list both those packages are being replaced
kwayland5-data
Thanks. That is what I'm seeing but I don't trust myself lol. That's why I would like a more seasoned user to chime in so I can have a bit more confidence. I appreciate your reply though as it does help.
apt depends kwayland5-data
kwayland5-data
Breaks: kwayland-data
Replaces: kwayland-data
You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:
# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
Installed: 6.5.0-2
Candidate: 6.5.0-2
Version table:
*** 6.5.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
Version table:
4:5.115.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
Version table:
*** 4:5.27.11-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.
Quote from: dibl on 2024/09/15, 19:36:36
You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:
# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
Installed: 6.5.0-2
Candidate: 6.5.0-2
Version table:
*** 6.5.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
Version table:
4:5.115.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
Version table:
*** 4:5.27.11-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.
Indeed. I should be clear I'm doing upgrades. Just not full upgrade.
You should only be doing full upgrades and often. I'm like dibl. Almost daily. Things can get out of hand quickly if you don't.
Quote from: eriefisher on 2024/09/15, 21:03:18
You should only be doing full upgrades and often. I'm like dibl. Almost daily. Things can get out of hand quickly if you don't.
I do. Usually once a week. I have not only because I don't want to break something. I'm not sure that this removal will break something because it looks like a pretty important kde library and kde is what I use. I'm glad you guys appear to have not had issues when doing a full upgrade but I have so I'm cautious. I've been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don't claim to be an expert so thus the question. I plan on doing a full upgrade within the next couple of days to get back in sync whether I feel confident or not. I'm just asking the question and hopefully will get a more specific answer. Thanks.
Quote from: RunLevelZero on 2024/09/15, 21:13:10
I've been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don't claim to be an expert ...
LOL -- I've been using it for 15 years and I don't make any wild claims either!
Seriously, use
apt full-upgrade (or the nala equivalent) once a week, at least, unless you see that there's a warning on this forum about a new package coming into Debian, or an incomplete transition of a series, like python or libqt6 or something, that is breaking things. In that case, you can use
apt-upgrade for just as long as necessary until the problem is resolved -- usually only a day or a few days. As soon as the light turns green, go back to full-upgrade.
Quote from: dibl on 2024/09/15, 23:47:32
Quote from: RunLevelZero on 2024/09/15, 21:13:10
I've been using siduction for almost 6 years but I don't claim to be an expert ...
LOL -- I've been using it for 15 years and I don't make any wild claims either!
Seriously, use
apt full-upgrade (or the nala equivalent) once a week, at least, unless you see that there's a warning on this forum about a new package coming into Debian, or an incomplete transition of a series, like python or libqt6 or something, that is breaking things. In that case, you can use
apt-upgrade for just as long as necessary until the problem is resolved -- usually only a day or a few days. As soon as the light turns green, go back to full-upgrade.
Thank you. I'll pull the trigger. Last time I waited for the 64 bit transition and it paid off but this seems way way less impactful. Thanks to all who responded.
Quote from: dibl on 2024/09/15, 19:36:36
You're good to upgrade, as far as I can see. I have 4 KDE/Plasma systems, now all using wayland. Here is output from one:
# apt policy libkf6guiaddons-bin kwayland-data kwin-wayland
libkf6guiaddons-bin:
Installed: 6.5.0-2
Candidate: 6.5.0-2
Version table:
*** 6.5.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwayland-data:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 4:5.115.0-2
Version table:
4:5.115.0-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
kwin-wayland:
Installed: 4:5.27.11-2
Candidate: 4:5.27.11-2
Version table:
*** 4:5.27.11-2 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
"A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.
Oh wow. I've been on my mobile all day. I totally missed the top part of this post. All I saw was..... "A few weeks" is not generally advisable to wait to upgrade your sid system. If I don't see a warning on this forum, mine get upgraded almost daily.
My response was totally off based off the info you provided. My apologies sir and thank you.
QuoteI totally missed the top part of this post
It was mentioned a couple times. Best thing is to full-upgrade/dist-upgrade at least a few times a week. You may see package replacements rather than a version upgrade like we see in your first post. Other times it can be complete transitions. These can be problematic until complete. Sometime you just have to ride it out. Usually problems are posted so if you do have an issue check there before proceeding. Always best to pay attention to what's going to happen before committing.
[language=english]Ops. I forgot to come back and update. All is well here after the full upgrade. thanks to all.[/language]