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Title: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: devil on 2015/12/19, 21:45:12
This how-to does not work anymore, since for pressing reasons the kde-next repo was emptied. If you have not done the conversion yet, a possible way to do the transition could be: http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6072.msg50017#msg50017 (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6072.msg50017#msg50017)

As Santa will not package KDE for siduction anymore, we are to help users back from KDE-Next to Debian KDE. As this is beyond the normal capabilities of APT and DPKG in a simple command or two, we came up with a routine to convert users back. We tried this with four installs, three of which were blocked in dist-upgrade already. We had success in all cases, but it is still a bit of unchartered waters, since every install is different.


So you might (and probably will) get stuck somewhere during the process. You might also have to repeat commands as you move on. If you get stuck, apt-get -f install is your first and trusted friend. If packages block you from moving on, you might want to use dpkg --purge <package> or, if that does not do the trick, in this case even dpkg --force-all --purge <package>. Be sensible about this and think before you act. If in doubt, ask us.


If packages are supposed to be removed, write them down for a later reinstall (should not be more than a handfull) If half the system is to go, you better come see us on IRC to see if we can solve this. Be sure to copy all relevant info from the konsole while you can, so we have a chance to get to the bottom of things. You can paste the output to
http://paste.debian.net (http://paste.debian.net) beforehand to safe time.


All of this might sound like it's a complicated process. For most users it should more or less run through and you'll be done in an hour or less, depending on how much stuff needs to be reinstalled after removing all KDE-Next packages. And as always: Back things up that you want to keep. It would be nice if all users of lkde-next could migrate back in a timely manner, so that no eventualities, that we cannot control sneak into the process (like another transition e.g.)



Dieses how-to funktioniert nicht mehr, da aus technischen Gründen das kde-next Repo geleert wurde. Falls ihr die Umwandlung noch nicht vollzogen habt, wäre Folgendes ein gangbarer Weg: http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6072.msg50017#msg50017 (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6072.msg50017#msg50017)

Da Santa KDE nicht mehr für siduction paketieren wird, wollen wir unsere User mit KDE-Next-Installationen zu Debian KDE zurückführen. Da das über die normalen Fähigkeiten von APT und DPKG mit ein oder zwei Befehlen hinausgeht, haben wir eine Routine entworfen, die Schritt für Schritt zum Ziel führt. Wir haben dies mit vier Installationen getestet, von denen drei bereits im Dist-Upgrade feststeckten. Bei allen vier Installationen gelang die Rückführung, jedoch ist, da jede Installation individuell ist, möglicherweise mit Hängern zu rechnen, die wir nicht genau voraussehen können.


Sollte der Prozess hängen, ist als erste Maßnahme der zuletzt genutzte Befehl zu wiederholen. Danach ist apt-get -f install das Mittel der Wahl, auch mehrmals wenn nötig. Sollten Pakete den weiteren Verlauf blockieren, so kann dpkg --purge <Paket> oder in diesem speziellen Fall auch dpkg --force-all --purge <Paket> eingesetzt werden, gefolgt von apt-get -f install. Seid sensibel und denkt bitte mit. Bei unklaren Situationen fragt uns.


Sollen Pakete entfernt werden, schreibt diese auf, um sie später neu zu installieren. Es sollten nicht mehr als eine Handvoll sein. Soll das halbe System entfernt werden, kommt bitte in den IRC, damit wir der Sache auf den Grund gehen können. Dazu brauchen wir möglichst viel Ausgaben aus der Konsole, die ihr schon vorab nach http://paste.debian.net (http://paste.debian.net) pasten könnt.


Das mag jetzt kompliziert klingen, aber für die allermeisten User sollte der Prozess problemlos sein. Wir können aber leider nicht alles vorausehen. Der Prozess sollte, je nachdem wie viele Pakete neu installiert werden müssen, nicht mehr als eine Stunde in Anspruch nehmen. Zudem gilt, wie immer: Backt up, was ihr behalten wollt. Zudem wäre es schön, wenn möglichst alle User mit KDE-Next die Umstellung zeitnah vornehmen, sodass sich keine Eventualitäten (wie etwa eine weitere Transition) einschleichen, die wir nicht in unter Kontrolle haben.




Get rid of kde-next


And now to the practical side of things / Und nun zur Praxis:


Preparation / Vorbereitung:


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apt-get update
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apt-get install apt
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mkdir cleanup; cd cleanup

Identifying and listing KDE-Next packaging / KDE-Next-Pakete identifizieren und auflisten:
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dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\011install/ {print $1}' | while read name; do apt-cache madison $name | head -n 1; done | grep kdenextCheck if the result looks reasonable / Überprüfe das Resultat auf Stimmigkeit:
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dpkg --get-selections | awk '/\011install/ {print $1}' | while read name; do apt-cache madison $name | head -n 1; done | grep kdenext | awk -F '|' '{ print $1 }' > replace.txtAfter the 2nd command your result is saved to replace.txt / Nach dem 2. Befehl ist die Liste der Pakete in replace.txt gespeichert


Now here is the heavy lifting / Jetzt folgt die eigentliche Arbeit:
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dpkg --force-all --purge qml-module-org-kde-activities
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for i in `cat replace.txt`; do  apt-get download $i/sid; done
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dpkg --force-all --install *.deb



Cleaning up / Aufräumen:
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nano siduction.list... Comment all kdenext-related entries in your sources.list / Alle Kdenext-Einträge in den Quellen auskommentieren
Check if you have a separate kdenext.list and comment the lines there / Prüfe ob es eine separate kdenext.list gibt und kommentiere auch dort die Zeilen aus
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apt updaterepeat:
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apt install -frepeat:
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apt upgraderepeat:
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apt dist-upgrade

Make sure, kde-standard or kde-full is installed / Sicherstellen, das kde-standard oder kde-full installiert ist:
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apt install kde-standardor
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apt install kde-full


Manualy delete deprecated packages / Manuell verwaiste Pakete entfernen:
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apt-show-versions | grep available

Done. that was easy, was it? :)
Fertig. Hat doch garnicht weh getan :)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/20, 06:44:29
Hi,

feedback:

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qml-module-org-kde-activitescould not be deinstalled as was not installed
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for i in.....download $i/sid...
provides several

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W cant drop privilegesfor downloading as file /root/cleanup/*
and

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E Veröffentlichung sid für * konnte nicht gefunden werdentelling "publication sid for * could not be found[/code]
Now where I stuck:

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apt install kde-standard | kde-fullimpossible:
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E konnte Sperre von /var/lib/dpkg/list nicht bekommen open 11...
E Sperren des Adminverzeichnisses nicht möglich...
sowie
apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in script
apt cache policy shows nothing installed.
Tested all the other hints mentioned including forcing, did also a reboot, same situation.

Edit:
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ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg
provides
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root..


.../list seems not to be existing.

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pol kde-full kde-standard
kde-full:
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 5:90
  Versionstabelle:
     5:90 500
        500 [url=http://http.debian.net/debian]http://http.debian.net/debian[/url] unstable/main amd64 Packages
        500 [url=http://http.debian.net/debian]http://http.debian.net/debian[/url] unstable/main i386 Packages
kde-standard:
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 5:90
  Versionstabelle:
     5:90 500
        500 [url=http://http.debian.net/debian]http://http.debian.net/debian[/url] unstable/main amd64 Packages
        500 [url=http://http.debian.net/debian]http://http.debian.net/debian[/url] unstable/main i386 Packages

System is running in init 5...and the replace.txt has 0 bytes.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/20, 08:55:02
Hi devil,

my processes are:

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http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9789b67/
Could not find a suspicious one.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: absolut on 2015/12/20, 09:25:02
mylo,

1. for the first three steps the kdenext repo has to be active, only after that it is being disabled

2. i did the "Identifying and listing KDE-Next packaging" step as user in init 5, downloading the packages to user home. had no warnings

3. i did the heavy lifting and apt dist-upgrade in init 3, obviously as root

4. apt install kde-standard or kde-full failed for me:
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# LANG=C apt install kde-standard
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 kde-standard : Depends: akregator (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
                Depends: kaddressbook (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
                Depends: kmail (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
                Depends: knotes (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
                Depends: korganizer (>= 4:4.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

whereby there are no held packages (the output below is empty):
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# LANG=C apt-mark showhold

i wonder why kdepim is not installable (i removed it some time ago, because i did not use it). may it be due to the fact that the version is 4 instead of 5, and mismatches the kde5 current version?
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/20, 09:33:36
Hi absolut,

I did all three as prescribed, seems the prob is somewhere. Good to know for me, that I am not the only one.
However I have an other effect (may be) on top. No holds also. What says ap-cahe policy to this on your inst?
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: absolut on 2015/12/20, 10:07:25
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LANG=C apt policy kde-standard kde-full
kde-standard:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
     5:90 500
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages
kde-full:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 5:90
  Version table:
     5:90 500
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/20, 10:32:22
Hi,

hier nach einem vernünftigen Frühsdtück und zwei weiteren Reboots war
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kde-standard installierbar.
Daher hier erst mal alles in Ordnung.

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apt-show-versions | grep available zeigt mir eine sehr lange Liste mit jeweils
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paket*:amd64 6:10.4-1 installed: No available version in archiveIst hier noch was zu tun?

@absolut:  vielleicht purged Du noch mal ordentlich?
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: reddark on 2015/12/20, 11:28:22
Dank der Anleitung alles problemlos durchgeaufen .. danke ;)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: horo on 2015/12/20, 11:51:01
Hi,

some odd packages hindered "apt install kde-standard" but "aptitude install kde-standard" offered after some "n" key presses the solution to downgrade these xxx-siduction.1-x packages to debian without deleting any other parts - everything is fine now, thx devil and team.

Ciao, Martin

EDIT: must be "n" instead of "q" key press
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: jure on 2015/12/20, 12:09:43
1+ thx to the siduction team !

I successfully switched  from kdenext to "kde-debian"

after unhold okular I could apt install -f
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apt install -f
Install: libanalitzaplot5abi1:amd64 (4.14.0-2, automatic), libkexiv2-11:amd64 (15.04.3-1, automatic), libanalitzagui5abi1:amd64 (4.14.0-2, automatic), libanalitza5abi1:amd64 (4.14.0-2, automatic), ksnakeduel:amd64 (15.08.0-1, automatic)

Upgrade: libokularcore6:amd64 (15.08.2-siduction1, 15.08.3-1), okular:amd64 (15.08.2-siduction1, 15.08.3-1)

Remove: kipi-plugins:amd64 (4.4.0-1.1+b2), libkexiv2-11v5:amd64 (15.08.2-siduction1), digikam:amd64 (4.4.0-1.1+b2), libkf5baloofiles1:amd64 (5.1.1-siduction0.2), libept1.4.12:amd64 (1.0.12.1), libqapt1:amd64 (1.3.0-2.1+b1), digikam-data:amd64 (4.4.0-1.1), libavfilter4:amd64 (10.4-1), libavfilter5:amd64 (11.4-2)

then apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade and apt install kde-standard without errors
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apt-cache policy kde-standard
kde-standard:
  Installiert:           5:90
  Installationskandidat: 5:90
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: samoht on 2015/12/20, 12:23:30
Confirm the successful transition to Debian KDE  :) .

Could not »save«:
digikam showfoto kipi-plugins …
calligra …

I shall add the details later.

Thanks to our supporters.

Greetings
Tom
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: absolut on 2015/12/20, 13:08:21
horo, thanks for the very good hint!

besides orphaned packages (that had no version in any archive anymore), there were kdenext packages left that were newer than their corresponding version in sid/unstable

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apt-show-versions | grep neweri went through the list, one by one; many of the listed packages belonged to okteta and remainders of kdepim i removed some time ago, as well as their dependencies/libraries, which i purged in one go (not required for now)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: ayla on 2015/12/20, 17:04:31
Evrything went smooth here on my laptop, following devils recipe. Cleaned about 100 deprecated packages after...

Many thanks to all involved!

greets
ayla
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: horo on 2015/12/21, 09:53:10
Hi,

My quick recipe to get rid of all these "newer" xxx-siduction1.x-xxx packages:

1) create a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d, e.g. 10cleanup - adapt the debian url (httpredir.debian.org) according to your setup.
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Package: *
Pin: origin "httpredir.debian.org"
Pin-Priority: 1001
2) move the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/siduction.list out of the way.
3) do a "apt update; apt dist-upgrade" that downgrades a lot of packages from siduction to debian.
4) remove the file /etc/apt/preferences.d/10cleanup above.
5) add the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/siduction.list again.
6) do a "apt update; apt dist-upgrade" again that updates a handful of packages back to siduction.
7) do a "apt-show-versions | grep newer" that will show some more packages that you have to think about.

Read the apt messages carefully and use your brain ;)
YMMV

Ciao, Martin
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: ghstryder on 2015/12/21, 15:04:34
Looks good here. I did some clean-up, and I think I have a grip on most of this. Thanks to everyone involved!

I do have one question.

When I ran apt-show-versions | grep available I see the following:
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# apt-show-versions | grep available
freespacenotifier:amd64 4:4.11.22-3+b1 installed: No available version in archive
gcc-4.7-base:amd64 4.7.4-3 installed: No available version in archive
gfxboot-themes-siduction-indiansummer-kde-core:all 2014.11.08.3 installed: No available version in archive
kwin:all 4:5.4.2-siduction1.2 installed: No available version in archive
libweather-ion6:amd64 4:4.11.22-3+b1 installed: No available version in archive
myspell-en-us:all 1:3.3.0-4 installed: No available version in archive
openfwwf:all 5.2.3 installed: No available version in archive
plasma-dataengines-workspace:amd64 4:4.11.22-3+b1 installed: No available version in archive
teamviewer:i386 10.0.46203 installed: No available version in archive
udisks:amd64 1.0.5-1+b1 installed: No available version in archive

The list was longer, but after cleaning a few orphaned packages this is what is left. Obviously teamviewer won't be found, but most or all of those are in the archive. Am I misunderstanding what this is showing, or is it some anomaly?
Note - the output is a bit longer, I pared it down in the interest of brevity.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: melmarker on 2015/12/21, 17:41:43
@ghstryder:
* openfwwf - we don't have it in the repo anymore and nobody missed it
* udisks - not used any longer in sid
* myspell-$foo - superseeded by  hunspell
* kwin - use the debian packages
* gfxboot - simply purge it
* gcc-4. simply purge it
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: ghstryder on 2015/12/21, 20:01:44
Thanks melmarker!
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: slaughterer on 2015/12/23, 19:37:31
Just made the migration,everything works fine here.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/24, 18:43:53
Hi melmarker,


thanks for the hints to cleaning up. I have two questions:

1)
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pol kwin
kwin:
  Installiert:           4:5.4.2-siduction1.2
  Installationskandidat: 4:5.4.2-siduction1.2
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 4:5.4.2-siduction1.2 100
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
How to follow your advice and use the debian packs?

2)
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dpkg -l | grep gcc-4
ii  gcc-4.7-base:amd64                            4.7.4-3                                amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  gcc-4.8-base:amd64                            4.8.5-3                                amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  gcc-4.9-base:amd64                            4.9.3-10                               amd64        GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  gcc-4.9-base:i386                             4.9.3-10                               i386         GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  libgcc-4.8-dev:amd64                          4.8.5-3                                amd64        GCC support library (development files)
ii  libgcc-4.9-dev:amd64                          4.9.3-10                               amd64        GCC support library (development files)
Can i really purge all these gcc-4 packs listed above * ?

Thanks for a reply.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: melmarker on 2015/12/24, 22:14:10
kwin is jetzt kwin-x11 oder kwin-wayland - und die gcc's und die -devs können theoretisch wech - praktisch wahrscheinlich auch.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: mylo on 2015/12/25, 00:35:16
purging kwin provides removal of kwin*, which covers kwin-x11, so better not to do this or?
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: melmarker on 2015/12/25, 00:50:59
apt purge kwin should be sufficient
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: KrunchTime on 2015/12/28, 00:59:26
Although not a KDE user myself, I do have an appreciation for what devil has done.  Not only did he provide a solution, he provided the details in both English and German.  Thank you for your efforts.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: devil on 2015/12/28, 08:05:19
The initial solution came from agaida, which was then forged through trial and error on IRC for some time until we deemed it ready for the job. Then I published the solution. Credit where credit is due :)


greetz
devil
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: KrunchTime on 2015/12/28, 11:40:29
Well then, shout out to agaida, the community, and devil!   ;D
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: CCarpenter on 2015/12/29, 01:31:00
Still running on with KDE Debian thanks to alfgaida(Melmarker) and Devil, but what Packages can i remove?

http://pastebin.com/GJU1RuLZ (http://pastebin.com/GJU1RuLZ)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: ayla on 2015/12/29, 03:04:50
I purged all packages which where marked as "No available version in archive" with no bad result on my system.

Of course, I had a close look what apt was telling me, but it had nothing to complain about.

greets
ayla
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: CCarpenter on 2015/12/29, 20:46:12
Super, i removed my steam (including all installed games) - but in the meantime its back in Debian!
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: effo on 2016/01/09, 19:51:43
Migrated my system today. Went just fine.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: Dieter-MZ on 2016/01/09, 21:01:50
Quote from: effo
Migrated my system today. Went just fine.
Same here. Thank you for your work!
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: silo2001 on 2016/01/13, 11:19:02
Hallo zusammen, ich hatte mir die 2015.1 xorg runtergeladen und dann KDE via KDENEXT-Repo installiert.


Vielen, vielen Dank für die Anleitung, hat hier super funktioniert und ich habe jetzt ein funktionierendes KDE-FULL und konnte meinen "Fehler" damit korrigieren.  :)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: sepps on 2016/01/13, 18:50:04
Herzlich Willkommen bei Siduction silo2001,

ich hoffe ich habe deinen post falsch verstanden.
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dann KDE via KDENEXT-Repo installiert

Dieses Unterforum gibt die Anleitung wie man das KDE-Next Repo, mit den entsprechenden Altlasten entfernt und gegen das KDE-Debian tauscht. Das Next Repo ist eine Sackgasse die Schwierigkeiten bereiten wird.

Warte noch ein paar Tage, siehe hier, http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5964.15 (http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5964.15) dann bist du auf der sicheren Seite.

have fun with siduction
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: silo2001 on 2016/01/13, 19:30:17
ich muss zu meiner Schande gestehen, dass Du mich doch richtig verstanden hast, wenn man bei google Siduction und kde5 sucht landet man recht schnell auf einer Seite die erklärt wie man das unter Nutzung der kdenext-repos installiert.... :-[


Naja sei es drum, falls einer meinen Fehler wiederholt, die eingangs vorgestellte Lösung funktioniert auch in diesem Fall... 8)
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: melmarker on 2016/01/13, 19:40:26
nu ja - das kdenext-Repo ist nur noch ne leere Hülle - und in ca 24h wird das auch auf den Spiegeln angekommen sein. Um den Eintrag bei KDE sollte man sich wirklich noch kümmern.
Title: Re: Migration from KDE-Next to Debian KDE
Post by: sunrat on 2016/01/17, 13:03:49
I just did the migration successfully today after no d-u since 25 Nov . As the kdenext repo is now empty, the instructions regarding saving the package list and replacing with sid packages no longer work.
All I did was remove kdenext from sources and run update then dist-upgrade.  I neglected to purge qml-module-org-kde-activities before starting but managed to force it (can't remember if aptitude or apt-get -f install or both). Plain sailing from there.
I don't have kde-full or kde-standard installed but seems ok so far.
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903 upgraded, 34 newly installed, 13 to remove and 0 not upgradeddigikam and okular were both able to be installed by aptitude afterwards, forcing "downgrades" to the sid packages and dependencies.
There are 77 packages listed as "No available version in archive", I'll sort through them later.

Ultimately I'm amazed it went so smoothly. Time will tell if there are hidden issues but looks fine so far.