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Title: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2018/12/24, 12:53:19
I've not done any investigating for the moment (It's Xmas eve and no time) but reverting to the previous kernel was a temp solution for me.
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inxi -a
CPU: Quad Core AMD Phenom II X4 945 (-MCP-) speed/min/max: 800/800/3000 MHz
Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 Up: 15m Mem: 1488.6/7980.7 MiB (18.7%)
Storage: 465.76 GiB (47.7% used) Procs: 186 Shell: bash 4.4.23 inxi: 3.0.29
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2018/12/24, 13:04:02
You forgot an important part (video), and the output of the failed modules

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06:54:35 AM-Mon Dec 24-[piper@x1] $ inxi -c0SGx
System:    Host: x1 Kernel: 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.2.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.14.3
           Distro: siduction 18.3.0 Paint It Black - kde - (201812140049) base: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nvidia v: 415.25 bus ID: 01:00.0
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 970/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 415.25 direct render: Yes
06:59:06 AM-Mon Dec 24-[piper@x1] $

Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/24, 13:18:37
I cannot confirm here. 4.20 starts and loads all neccessary modules flawlessly...


Greetings
df8oe
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: pjnsmb on 2018/12/24, 16:19:48

kernel 4.20 is not working for me


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peter@peter-mate:~$ inxi -c0SGx
System:
  Host: peter-mate Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
  compiler: gcc v: 8.2.0 Desktop: MATE 1.20.3
  Distro: siduction 18.3.0 Patience - mate - (201811041851)
  base: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
  vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0
  Device-2: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750] vendor: ZOTAC driver: nvidia v: 390.87
  bus ID: 01:00.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting,nvidia unloaded: nouveau,vesa
  resolution: 1440x900~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 750/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.87
  direct render: Yes


Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64.
(Reading database ... 248349 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64_4.20-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../linux-image-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64_4.20-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-image-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../linux-headers-siduction-amd64_4.20-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-headers-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) over (4.19-33) ...
Preparing to unpack .../linux-image-siduction-amd64_4.20-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-image-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) over (4.19-33) ...
Setting up linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) ...
/etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms:
Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (x86_64)
Consult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build/make.log for more information.
Setting up linux-image-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (4.20-1) ...
I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64
I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64
I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (x86_64)
Consult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build/make.log for more information.
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub:
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found theme: /usr/share/grub/themes/patience/theme.txt
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.11-towo.2-siduction-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.19.11-towo.2-siduction-amd64






hope the information helps
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/24, 17:45:34
Quote from: pjnsmb
kernel 4.20 is not working for me

What does that mean in concrete terms? Because of nvidia, or rather this version of nvidia?

You have a GF GTX750, take nouveau!

Quote from: df8oe
4.20 starts and loads all neccessary modules flawlessly...
Same here (GF710, nouveau).
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: terroreek on 2018/12/24, 18:50:48
I have the same issue, looks like when I take a look at the /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build/make.log I see the following error at the start of the file

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DKMS make.log for nvidia-current-390.87 for kernel 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 (x86_64)
Mon Dec 24 12:42:28 EST 2018
make  V=1 -C /lib/modules/4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64/build M=/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-curr$
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64'
test -e include/generated/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (                \
echo >&2;                                                       \
echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";           \
echo >&2 "         include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing."$
echo >&2 "         Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.";      \
echo >&2 ;                                                      \
/bin/false)
and at the bottom of the make.log
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make[1]: *** [Makefile:1578: _module_/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64'
make: *** [Makefile:79: modules] Error 2
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/24, 19:17:23
For supported Nvidia GPUs you could install nvidia 415.25 (http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=2464), if you have to...
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: dibl on 2018/12/24, 19:50:15
Quote from: terroreek
I have the same issue, looks like when I take a look at the /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build/make.log I see the following error ...

Yes, it is the same with driver ver. 396.54.  It appears we have to go with ver 415.23 or .25, to use kernel 4.20.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2018/12/24, 23:35:47
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~# systemctl --failed

  UNIT                         LOAD   ACTIVE SUB    DESCRIPTION                       
● clamav-daemon.service        loaded failed failed Clam AntiVirus userspace daemon   
● systemd-modules-load.service loaded failed failed Load Kernel Modules               
● virtualbox.service           loaded failed failed LSB: VirtualBox Linux kernel module

LOAD   = Reflects whether the unit definition was properly loaded.
ACTIVE = The high-level unit activation state, i.e. generalization of SUB.
SUB    = The low-level unit activation state, values depend on unit type.

3 loaded units listed. Pass --all to see loaded but inactive units, too.
To show all installed unit files use 'systemctl list-unit-files'.
so systemd-modules-load was loaded but failed

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~# systemctl status systemd-modules-load

● systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-modules-load.service; static; vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2018-12-24 20:28:29 GMT; 2min 46s ago
     Docs: man:systemd-modules-load.service(8)
           man:modules-load.d(5)
  Process: 702 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-modules-load (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
 Main PID: 702 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)

Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current-modeset not found in directory /lib/modules/4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:979 command_do() Error running install command for nvidia_modeset
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_modeset': Operation not permitted
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current-drm not found in directory /lib/modules/4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: Error running install command for nvidia_drm
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd-modules-load[702]: Failed to insert 'nvidia_drm': Operation not permitted
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Dec 24 20:28:29 westfield systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.

And the modules are indeed missing. So I'm presuming that nvidia hasn't yet caught up with kernal 4.20.0
It's a long time since I needed the advantages of the nvidia kernel so, for me, it's been easily solved by going "back" to nouveau.

ps please excuse any typos as I'm a little drunk. Happy Xmas all.


Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: terroreek on 2018/12/26, 05:35:58
Quote from: terroreek
I have the same issue, looks like when I take a look at the /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.87/build/make.log I see the following error ...

Yes, it is the same with driver ver. 396.54.  It appears we have to go with ver 415.23 or .25, to use kernel 4.20.
I was hoping for new drivers for better DXVK and steamplay options but ... I dont think either of those are in experimental yet. 
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2018/12/26, 09:34:02
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towo:Defiant> LANG=C apt policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 415.25-0.siduction.2
  Version table:
     415.25-0.siduction.2 600
        600 http://packages.siduction.org/extra experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     410.78-2 300
        300 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     390.87-5 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
        500 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
     390.87-4 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/non-free amd64 Packages
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/26, 18:00:52
Is it possible that nvidia kicked off support for many graphic cards like Quadro 4000 in new 415.25-0 driver?
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/26, 18:34:44
Quadro 4000 is GF100 (Fermi) based as well as GeForce 400 series. The last driver version is 396.18.

Purge nvidia and use nouveau!
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/26, 18:54:23
df8oe, da Du ja Deutscher bist...kann natürlich sein, daß irgendwann irgendwer den 396er oder 340er patcht...bis zum nächsten Kernel oder xorg. Ich jedenfalls bin das ewige Hinterhergepatche bei/für nvidia leid, fahre nur noch nouveau (GF710). Aktueller Kernel ist mir weit wichtiger (ich spiele nicht).

Eine höhere GPU-Temperatur und höheren Verbrauch solltest Du freilich im Auge behalten, zumindest bei einem Notebook.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: dibl on 2018/12/26, 20:09:09
Quote from: towo
towo:Defiant> LANG=C apt policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 415.25-0.siduction.2
.
.
.

Vielen Dank, towo!
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: ReinerS on 2018/12/26, 20:20:29
Hmm, ascheinend stehe ich gerade auf dem Schlauch.

Kann mal jmand mir Dummerchen auf die Schnelle verraten wie ich den 415er für meine große Kiste installiert kriege?
Er wird zwar erkannt, die sources.lists stimmen wohl auch aber ich kriege ihn nicht installiert.

Grüße
Reiner
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: terroreek on 2018/12/27, 05:37:37
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towo:Defiant> LANG=C apt policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 415.25-0.siduction.2
  Version table:
     415.25-0.siduction.2 600
        600 http://packages.siduction.org/extra experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     410.78-2 300
        300 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     390.87-5 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
        500 http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
     390.87-4 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/non-free amd64 Packages
thank you towo, I added the repo, and and did an apt install nvidia-driver -t experimental, and that seems to have done the trick.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/27, 08:19:12
I also do not use nvidia-drivers (because I do not have Nvidia graphics) but some of my friends do. And they all are now kicked off because "planned obsolescence" by Nvidia kicked off their GPU from support.


They all do not play but they use 3D functions in CAD applications. I do not have looked at nouveau for 2...3 years and I will test if nouveau does support 3D functionability that e.g. freecad and KiCad do use. If so: go to shredder nvidia-drivers! If not: go to shredder Nvidia graphics with "builtin software planned obsolescence" and let a better hardware provider come in!
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: ReinerS on 2018/12/27, 10:53:10
Ok, now here it is installing too.
Thanks @terroreek, I had forgot the "t"
regards
Reiner
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/27, 13:30:09
@axt:


nouveau ist absolut unbenutzbar. So gut wie alle Anwendungen stürzen nach kurzer Zeit ab mit Fehlern im Log wie diesen:


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nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
nouveau: ch41: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 1 relocs 0
nouveau: ch41: buf 00000000 00000002 00000004 00000004 00000000
 
kontact: ../nouveau/pushbuf.c:723: nouveau_pushbuf_data: Zusicherung »kref« nicht erfüllt.
Received signal 6
#0 0x7f338849d36e <unknown>
#1 0x7f338849d480 <unknown>
#2 0x7f338849dab7 <unknown>
#3 0x7f338fe048e0 <unknown>
#4 0x7f338fe0485b gsignal
#5 0x7f338fdef535 abort
#6 0x7f338fdef40f <unknown>
#7 0x7f338fdfd0a2 __assert_fail
#8 0x7f3372ada59f nouveau_pushbuf_data
#9 0x7f3372ada503 nouveau_pushbuf_data
#10 0x7f3372ada62f <unknown>
#11 0x7f3372adaa7f <unknown>
#12 0x7f3372adb670 nouveau_pushbuf_kick
#13 0x7f3371b37906 <unknown>
#14 0x7f3371c7cbdf <unknown>
#15 0x7f3371802210 <unknown>
#16 0x7f3372aab993 <unknown>
#17 0x7f33795d8156 <unknown>
#18 0x7f339077c78b QOpenGLContext::swapBuffers()
#19 0x7f3390a0e1b4 QPlatformBackingStore::composeAndFlush()
#20 0x7f337946dec4 <unknown>
#21 0x7f3390d1aae3 <unknown>
#22 0x7f3390d1c57b <unknown>
#23 0x7f3390d1d882 <unknown>
#24 0x7f3390d1da19 <unknown>
#25 0x7f3390d34ae5 QWidgetPrivate::syncBackingStore()
#26 0x7f3390d4c8f8 QWidget::event()
#27 0x7f3390e52ed4 QMainWindow::event()
#28 0x7f339146f55b KMainWindow::event()
#29 0x7f33914b8585 KXmlGuiWindow::event()
#30 0x7f3390d0e491 QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper()
#31 0x7f3390d15ad0 QApplication::notify()
#32 0x7f3390398039 QCoreApplication::notifyInternal2()
#33 0x7f339039b02b QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents()
#34 0x7f33903ea6e3 <unknown>
#35 0x7f338df99c3e g_main_context_dispatch
#36 0x7f338df99ed8 <unknown>
#37 0x7f338df99f6c g_main_context_iteration
#38 0x7f33903e9d13 QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents()
#39 0x7f33794df851 <unknown>
#40 0x7f3390396d0b QEventLoop::exec()
#41 0x7f339039ee82 QCoreApplication::exec()
#42 0x55628b8bd738 <unknown>
#43 0x7f338fdf109b __libc_start_main
#44 0x55628b8bde4a _start
  r8: 0000000000000000  r9: 00007fffe3f6d8e0 r10: 0000000000000008 r11: 0000000000000246
 r12: 00007f3372add052 r13: 00007f3372add068 r14: 00000000000002d3 r15: 0000000000000003
  di: 0000000000000002  si: 00007fffe3f6d8e0  bp: 00007f3372b1d1d2  bx: 0000000000000006
  dx: 0000000000000000  ax: 0000000000000000  cx: 00007f338fe0485b  sp: 00007fffe3f6d8e0
  ip: 00007f338fe0485b efl: 0000000000000246 cgf: 002b000000000033 erf: 0000000000000000
 trp: 0000000000000000 msk: 0000000000000000 cr2: 0000000000000000
[end of stack trace]
Calling _exit(1). Core file will not be generated.
 



...also bleibt für meine Freunde nur auf den neuesten Kernel zu verzichten. Oder die Patchorgie zu starten. Oder sich nach einer Grafikkarte mit 3D-Funktion, die NICHT von Nvidia kommt und die mit einem quelloffenen Treiber läuft umzusehen...
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: harley-peter on 2018/12/27, 14:11:31
Eine Frage:
Weiß jemand ob das nvidia Problem auch den legacy Treiber (aktuell 340.107-3) betrifft?
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/27, 14:39:47
Quote from: df8oe
So gut wie alle Anwendungen stürzen nach kurzer Zeit ab


nouveau kann durch Nvidias Blockadepolitik gar nicht sämtliche in Hardware mögliche Funktionen nutzen. D.h. aber nicht, es sei "absolut unbenutzbar".

Wer entsprechendes braucht, bspw. OGL für CAD, ist nach meinem Dafürhalten bei siduction mit ununterbrochen nötigen Anpassungen nicht wirklich richtig. Allein bei den UU-ntoten habe ich über 11 Jahre nvidia hochgehalten, die wissen aber auch nichts von aktuellen Kerneln (so einzelne nicht gerade Mainline verwenden o.ä.) oder überhaupt aktueller Software.

Für die Programme, die diesbzgl. Probleme bereiten (können), habe ich für mich einen Workaround (https://axebase.net/blog/2018/12/09/falkon-chromium-freezes-glitches/) gefunden, zuerst durchgeführt auf dem von mir im Laden genutzten Notebook mit siduction und - 3x darfst Du raten - einer von Dir indirekt angesprochenen Radeon. Ohne den ist Falkon sofort nach Start eingefroren.

Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/27, 14:49:45
Richtig - das geht. Nur laufen dann die CAD-Programme nicht mehr, da sie genau diese Funktionen brauchen.
Und bei den betreffende Leuten ist sehr viel Software auf OGL angewiesen.



Ich habe hier eine Intel-Grafik - die benötigt weder einen closed-source-Treiber noch ist OGL instabil...
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/27, 14:52:43
harley-peter, man könnte ja mal in ein Changelog sehen oder es schlicht selbst ausprobieren.

Nachdem, was ich seit Bestehen von nvidia-(legacy-)340 ständig und insbesondere in den letzten anderthalb Jahren selbst erlebt habe, sage ich einfach mal nein (das ist ja der Grund für mich für eine 710er mit nouveau gewesen).
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2018/12/27, 14:56:44
Ich sage nur, scheiß auf Nvidia.

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towo:Defiant> inxi -G
Graphics:  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] driver: amdgpu
           v: kernel
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: amdgpu,ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Radeon RX 580 Series (POLARIS10 DRM 3.27.0 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 LLVM 7.0.1)
           v: 4.5 Mesa 19.0.0-devel

Wie ruhig und entspannt doch das Leben sein kann.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2018/12/27, 15:16:42
@towo: full ack.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/27, 15:21:16
Now we have successfully adopted the thread in German. I'll summarize in English:
:-D
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: vilde on 2018/12/30, 10:06:22
Maybe this don't belong here but subject is failed kernel modules. Anyway I don't get virtual box to work on this kernel.
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System:
  Host: vilde-T420 Kernel: 4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
  Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4
  Distro: siduction 18.1.0 Patience - xfce - (201712310104)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 4180G73 v: ThinkPad T420
  serial: <filter>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 4180G73 serial: <filter> UEFI: LENOVO
  v: 83ET78WW (1.48 ) date: 01/21/2016
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 23.6 Wh condition: 23.9/56.2 Wh (43%)
  ID-2: BAT1 charge: 61.0 Wh condition: 61.8/93.2 Wh (66%)
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-2540M bits: 64 type: MT MCP
  L2 cache: 3072 KiB
  Speed: 797 MHz min/max: 800/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 797 2: 797
  3: 797 4: 797
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics
  driver: i915 v: kernel
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
  resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.1
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio
  driver: snd_hda_intel
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.20.0-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
  IF: enp0s25 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
  IF: wlp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-1: wwp0s29u1u4i6 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 260.84 GiB used: 141.24 GiB (54.1%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Intel model: SSDSC2BW120H6 size: 111.79 GiB
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Intel model: SSDSA2BW160G3L size: 149.05 GiB
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 85.40 GiB used: 69.31 GiB (81.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
  ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 3221
Info:
  Processes: 167 Uptime: 7m Memory: 7.68 GiB used: 880.4 MiB (11.2%)
  Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.29
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/30, 11:09:26
vilde, purge virtualbox* and take the original in current version 6.0.0 (https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.0/) (or 6.0.1 (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds) testbuild like me)!

Changelog 6.0.x (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-6.0) ("Linux hosts: support Linux 4.20")
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2018/12/30, 15:24:40
All I have to say is, when I watch porn with the nouveau drivers, every 6-7 minutes my computer completely freezes, its so bad I have to do a hard reboot

After I install the nvidia drivers, I have hair on my palm and am happy.


In all seriousness the nouveau drivers have come a long way, they don't lock up my computer anymore (good for at least a week, longest I tested recently, yes, the lockup was bad when it happened)

but, for gaming, your all out of your minds :P

Even very old games like half-life2 suck using nouveau, I have tried it and three of my grandkids, ages, 16, 18, 20 (next month), theirs just such a huge difference, although they prefer windows or xbox, playstation for games, they get linux when they visit me and they don't mind   ;)
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: vilde on 2018/12/30, 23:15:12
vilde, purge virtualbox* and take the original in current version 6.0.0 (https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.0/) (or 6.0.1 (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds) testbuild like me)!

Changelog 6.0.x (https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-6.0) ("Linux hosts: support Linux 4.20")

I can't install that, not working, probably I don't know how, but installing the 6.0.0 version with .deb is not working. I  need Virtual Box, so I have to go back to older kernel for the moment
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: samoht on 2018/12/31, 01:21:47
@vilde,

here Oracle virtualbox installation works like before.

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# LANG=C less /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
# Oracle Virtualbox
# https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
# wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc -O- | apt-key add -
# deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic contrib

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# LANG=C apt-cache search virtualbox | grep -i oracle
virtualbox-5.1 - Oracle VM VirtualBox
virtualbox-5.2 - Oracle VM VirtualBox
virtualbox-6.0 - Oracle VM VirtualBox

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# LANG=C apt install virtualbox-6.0 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
virtualbox-6.0 is already the newest version (6.0.0-127566~Ubuntu~bionic).
...

Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2018/12/31, 23:23:18
Quote from: vilde
I can't install that
Completely inadequate information. What did you do exactly? What were the results? So you can get targeted support.

Cut.  Execute:

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apt purge virtualbox*
wget https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.0/VirtualBox-6.0.0-127566-Linux_amd64.run
sh VirtualBox*.run

For uninstalling:

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sh VirtualBox*.run uninstall
You have to take care of updates yourself.

samoht, Bionic packages may or may not work. Packages for Ubuntu in debian sid are not a good idea.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: vilde on 2019/01/01, 00:45:07
Quote from: vilde
I can't install that
Completely inadequate information. What did you do exactly? What were the results? So you can get targeted support.

Cut.  Execute:

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apt purge virtualbox*
wget https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.0/VirtualBox-6.0.0-127566-Linux_amd64.run
sh VirtualBox*.run

For uninstalling:

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sh VirtualBox*.run uninstall
You have to take care of updates yourself.

samoht, Bionic packages may or may not work. Packages for Ubuntu in debian sid are not a good idea.

Sorry and thank you for your help axt but: that's not the way I want to install things on my every day laptop with siduction, if I can't install it with apt, or maybe dpkg, then I don't install.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: samoht on 2019/01/01, 02:48:22
@axt,
using ubuntu/bionic virtualbox packages has already been discussed, so what? Look at
https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7338.0 (https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7338.0)
All I wanted to say is: At this vey moment virtualbox is installable and fully functional in sid.
Greetings,
Tom



Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: tommy2 on 2019/01/01, 07:52:21
First off Happy New Year to all! For the very reasons of having to jump through these constant changes I think kvm might be time to try?  :-\
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2019/01/01, 10:39:49
Quote from: samoth
using ubuntu/bionic virtualbox packages has already been discussed, so what? Look at

If you had read the thread completely, you would have seen, that I also wrote there. So I know it...

The best statement in that thread is:

Quote from: melmarker
Unstable-User sollten sich zu helfen wissen, wenn nicht - ok, die Gefahr besteht, dass diese Nutzergruppe dann auch nicht mit siduction an sich glücklich wird.

That's my opinion, too.

Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: geklmintendont on 2019/01/07, 02:25:43
Still happens
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2019/01/07, 08:03:43
What's supposed to have changed? Not the kernel has to change (current is 4.20.0-towo.3-siduction from last night.). There are no new versions of nvidia or vbox 5.2.x.

Btw., kernel 5.0-rc1 has been published (...breaks nvidia and VMware (http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=2469) - the eternal song). New year - new main number. ;)
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2019/01/07, 08:13:30
The situation is now:

vbox 6.x is compatible with kernel 4.20
nvidia 415.25 and 410.93  are even.

Now you can think yourself, what to do.

Maybe legacy 390.xx will get a update, only nvidia is knowing.

For vbox 5.2.x are patches in the wild, you are fre to use them.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: axt on 2019/01/07, 08:45:27
Quote from: towo
vbox 6.x is compatible with kernel 4.20

As described. Works perfectly.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: geklmintendont on 2019/01/15, 08:42:57
so... is there a fix or not? Do I have to uninstall Virtualbox? I can go without it for a while, I guess, but I'd like to have it soon.


And what about the Nvidia Bullshit? How does one fix that?


I'd like to be able to update my computer without worrying my ass off every time
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2019/01/15, 08:47:24
I think if you want to do that you have to leave Nvidia graphics cards - as towo alreadystated...
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2019/01/15, 08:51:20
Quote
I think if you want to do that you have to leave Nvidia graphics cards - as towo alreadystated...

No, you haven't, but you have to use the newest cards, no legacy ones.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2019/01/15, 08:53:36
Of course you are right. But I by myself love Linux because it does not have builtin "planned obsolescense". Taking cards from Nvidia bring this back in a unsatisfyable way. Nvidia tells you when you have to buy a new one.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2019/01/15, 09:27:03
That's why i was saying, make yoursel comfortable and use graphics hardware, which is using free drivers, that come inline with kernel.
If you want Nvidia for some reason, live with the planed obsolence on their products.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: Geier0815 on 2019/01/15, 10:19:50
Quote from: geklmintendont
so... is there a fix or not? Do I have to uninstall Virtualbox? I can go without it for a while, I guess, but I'd like to have it soon.
Maybe you missed (as I am) that the bionic-version of oracle virtualbox 6 works with an up-to-date system?
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: vilde on 2019/01/15, 10:34:26
That's why i was saying, make yoursel comfortable and use graphics hardware, which is using free drivers, that come inline with kernel.
If you want Nvidia for some reason, live with the planed obsolence on their products.
That's true towo, I agree, but that's valid only if you are in the position to choose hardware, I can't afford to buy a new laptop because it happens to be a nvidia graphics hardware inside the one I have.  As for the moment my nvidia card in my  multimeda-computer is working, when it doesn't anymore I have to find a way to solve that. Change computer, change os or whatever?

About VB, I did have to install the bionic-version because I need VB
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: df8oe on 2019/01/15, 10:36:52
I have learnt that I have to look at these aspects BEFORE I buy any hardware. I never would leave Linux because of plannend obsolescanse of commercial drivers. I always would change the impacted hardware  8)
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/15, 12:18:50
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inxi -GGraphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] driver: nouveau v: kernel
           Display: server: X.org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau tty: 122x30
           Message: Advanced graphics data unavailable in console for root.

Nvidia says driver 410.93 is suitable for my card and yet since kernel 4.20.0 and /systemd/udev update it no longer installs. Towo says 415.25 should install and yet it doesn't. Any attempt at installing any nvidia driver produces exactly what I posted when I opened this thread. There are many bug reports concerning systemd and udev 240.x so I'm not the only one. Something is wrong here and it all stems from moving to the 4.20.xx kernel and maybe systemd/udev update.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: towo on 2019/01/15, 12:38:47
"it doesn't" is saying zero!
So no one can or will help you.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2019/01/15, 13:17:50
Quote from: clubex
Nvidia says driver 410.93 is suitable for my card and yet since kernel 4.20.0 and /systemd/udev update it no longer installs. Towo says 415.25 should install and yet it doesn't. Any attempt at installing any nvidia driver produces exactly what I posted when I opened this thread. There are many bug reports concerning systemd and udev 240.x so I'm not the only one. Something is wrong here and it all stems from moving to the 4.20.xx kernel and maybe systemd/udev update.

Please try this (make sure you are fully upgraded by dist-upgrade)

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apt purge nvidia.    (don't forget the period!!)

echo deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list

echo deb http://packages.siduction.org/extra  experimental main contrib non-free | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list

apt update; apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-libs nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-dkms vulkan-utils -t experimental --install-recommends --assume-yes

If this fails, post the WHOLE output.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/15, 23:18:39
Thanks piper: I just tried your suggestion but unfortunately it failed with the same outcome as my first post in this thread (I'm OP). I had already tried doing the install in this way (except for the recommends part) many times before, especially after each kernel and/or systemd/udev upgrade. At each the nvidia modules failed to load.
When you say "output" which output would you like? My apologies I'm afraid it will have to wait until tomorrow before I can reply.

Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2019/01/16, 00:27:31
The output of the nvidia install in command line

I just built a fresh iso for myself with nvidia drivers included with no problems also.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/16, 12:10:18
piper: thanks for your help

Yesterday your script ran to a conculsion although on reboot the nvidia modules failed to load.

This morning things are completely different.

I piped the the output of your installation script to a text file. The CLI stopped with this output
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WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

E: Package 'nvidia-driver' has no installation candidate
the output of the text file read
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Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
Package nvidia-driver is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  nvidia-driver-bin nvidia-persistenced
So istead of using nvidia-driver I tried the installation using nvidia-driver-bin and nvidia-persistenced with following output
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Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 nvidia-driver-bin : Depends: nvidia-alternative (= 390.87-6) but it is not going to be installed
                     Depends: libnvidia-ml1 (>= 319) but it is not going to be installed
                     Recommends: nvidia-driver but it is not installable
 nvidia-persistenced : Depends: libnvidia-cfg1 but it is not going to be installed or
                                libnvidia-cfg1-any
Any insights you might have wil be gratefully received.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2019/01/16, 14:46:56
Can I see the FULL output of

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apt policy
and

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dpkg --list nvidia*
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/16, 15:41:43
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apt policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
 500 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Oracle Corporation,n=stretch,l=Oracle Corporation,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin download.virtualbox.org
 500 http://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,a=unstable,n=unstable,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
 500 http://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,a=unstable,n=unstable,c=main,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
 500 http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=unstable,c=main,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
 500 http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,a=unstable,n=unstable,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
 500 http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/fixes unstable/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,a=unstable,n=unstable,c=main,b=amd64
     origin ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
   1 http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=experimental,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
 500 http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/siduction/extra unstable/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=unstable,c=main,b=amd64
     origin ftp.uni-stuttgart.de
 500 https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable stable/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Opera Software AS,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin deb.opera.com
 500 https://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable  Packages
     release o=videolan,a=stable,n=stable,l=videolan,c=
     origin download.videolan.org
   1 http://packages.siduction.org/extra experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=experimental,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
   1 http://packages.siduction.org/extra experimental/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=experimental,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
   1 http://packages.siduction.org/extra experimental/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Siduction,n=experimental,c=main,b=amd64
     origin packages.siduction.org
   1 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin deb.debian.org
   1 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin deb.debian.org
   1 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64
     origin deb.debian.org
   1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
   1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian experimental/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
   1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian experimental/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=experimental,n=experimental,l=Debian,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=non-free,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=contrib,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=unstable,n=sid,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64
     origin httpredir.debian.org
Pinned packages:
     nvidia-driver -> 415.25-0.siduction.2 with priority -30000
     nvidia-driver -> 410.93-1 with priority -30000
     nvidia-driver -> 390.87-6 with priority -30000
     glx-diversions -> 0.9.0 with priority -30000
     xserver-xorg-video-nvidia -> 415.25-0.siduction.2 with priority -30000
     xserver-xorg-video-nvidia -> 410.93-1 with priority -30000
     xserver-xorg-video-nvidia -> 390.87-6 with priority -30000
The latter part looks strange as i don't remember pinning any packages let alone anything to do with nvidia.
I'll be back soon with the output of dpkg --list nvidia* as I can only use one and the same machine for the tests. Thanks again piper.
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/16, 15:52:07
My apologies for the delay I was going to apply dpkg --list nvidia* after installing nividia-driver but I forgot that since this morning i can't.
dpkg --list nvidia* gives
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Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name               Version      Architecture Description
+++-==================-============-============-=================================
un  nvidia-alternative <none>       <none>       (no description available)
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: piper on 2019/01/16, 19:38:01
This, is a fucking mess and haven't been upgraded in 6 years (2013) not sure why your using it.

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https://download.videolan.org/debian/stable/
Why not just do

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apt install vlc
This and the pinned packages are probably screwing you to some extent

My opinion, start from scratch with a clean source list

If you used

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apt purge nvidia.
You need the period !!

nvidia-alternative should not be showing period, I tested this, this is what gets removed and it does not show for me using dpkg --list nvidia*

http://paste.debian.net/hidden/84bd300b/
Title: Re: kernel 4.20.0 fails to load kernel modules
Post by: clubex on 2019/01/16, 23:04:42
Well i cleaned up my sources.list, removed the pinning and fixed the presence of nvidia-alternative in the policy list. Reinstalled nvidia-driver and rebooted. But again the modules failed to load.
As I said I don't really need the nvidia drivers and my machine works OK. I've spent far too much of my time on this problem so I'm calling it a day. Thanks for your help piper. All I can say is the nvidia drivers worked and since the new kernel or the systemd upgrade they don't.