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Title: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/22, 16:17:39
Hi, just wanted to introduce myself! I am a guy who is looking to distro-jump and has sniffed a long time around siduction. I will be jumping from Xubuntu and Linux Mint XFCE and I am still wondering if I am doing the right thing... What I am looking for is a distro that has the possibility to install newer packages than Debian Testing while still being in the Debian universe which I do not desire to leave for the moment.is siduction offering this?
I just spinned it on a spare machine and I will anyway test it in the next days...As far as I can see it has the debian feel and freedom of choice which comes with advantages and disadvantages... I forgot to say that I am also looking for a distro that just works and gets out of the way.
My workflow is mainly executing tasks in browser and in office apps (libreoffice and pdfs mainly) and a bit wee of programming (nowadays python, web dev, some dockers here and there for the self hosted services)
One last question before I submit this first post: why is siduction categorized as dormant on the distrowatch?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: devil on 2020/06/22, 16:46:40
Hi beje,

to answer your last question first: we have not had an official release in a while. That is what happens on Distrowatch. If you install fresh, please use https://isobuilds.siduction.org/. These are newer than the last official release. (the plasma image has a broken graphical installer.  If that is your flavour of choice, you need to use cli-installer instead. Other than that we are in a state of corona hiatus, so it might seem quieter than usual. You can reach us on IRC though (european timezones mostly).

The only thing siduction needs to be happy is dist-upgrades as often as possible.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/22, 16:55:04
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The only thing siduction needs to be happy is dist-upgrades as often as possible.
Is there a reason for it?
Is it cleaning the way for the new packages refreshing the dependencies?
Thanks for the other clarifications!
I have installed without difficulty the XFCE DE from the 18.03 iso and to upgrade and dist-upgrade. Now (almost) everything is up to date.
I will move part of my workflow on the test machine to see how it is running. I miss the "polishness" of the downstream distros but I also like that I need to get my hands a bit dirty into bring it to the comfort level...
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/06/22, 20:56:18
Myself, I dist-upgrade about once a week and have not seen any issues. Most of the problems recently have been with KDE I think. I also use XFCE4 so it doesn't effect me. Sid can be a bit of a moving target sometimes and occasionally you will get a bug in a package or a conflict. I just ride it out and wait a bit an these issues usually get ironed out pretty quickly. If your going to run Debian then Sid is where you need to be. Stable gets stale real fast and Testing seems to have more issues than I want to tackle all the time. Besides, the Siduction devs make it a pleasure to run. Just watch the forum for upgrade warnings before you upgrade.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/23, 17:31:48
This dist-upgrade is newish to me... I mean I was not using it actively... Is there a list/article of best practices that I could read? Thanks!
p.s. I have took the leap of faith and installed on my daily driver. so far so good!  ;D
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/06/23, 18:39:17
There are several post here explaining what and why to do. First thing is never d-u in X. While in X I will:
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#apt update && apt dist-upgrade -dThis will download the upgrades but not install them. I then log out and switch to VT2(ctl-alt-f2) and log in as root and:
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init 3This will kill the login manager. You will need to log in again as root and then proceed with the upgrade:
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apt dist-upgradeThe upgrade will continue from where you left off in X. When it completes and if you don't have any "old library" or "new kernel" messages asking for a reboot then you can:
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init 5This will bring you back to the login manager but if you do get messages:
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rebootPretty painless really.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: vilde on 2020/06/23, 22:23:00
.........First thing is never d-u in X.................................
I don't know if something new have come up, but not d-u in X?, it's several years ago I quit going out from X before doing a d-u.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/06/23, 22:28:13
As I understand it, it's what's recommended.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/24, 09:34:02
Ok. Noted. Exiting X cannot hurt...
One question. I try to install chromium and I get the following error:
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Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 chromium : Depends: libavcodec58 (>= 7:4.2)
 libavformat58 : Depends: libavcodec58 (= 7:4.3-2)
                 Depends: libchromaprint1 (>= 1.3.2) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
Isn't suppose to be 7:4.3-2 > 7:4.2? The version 7:4.3-2 is already installed...
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apt show libavcodec58
Package: libavcodec58
Version: 7:4.3-2
Priority: optional
Section: libs
Source: ffmpeg
Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Maintainers <debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 14,7 MB
Any indication why this is happening and how can I proceed further? Is there a section of the forum where I should post such things?Thanks and please be kind to the siduction-beginner :D
P.S. I wrote so many times 42 to validate my posts here, that now I really need to read this book... actually I am really sorry that I miss it when I was a younger...
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: dibl on 2020/06/24, 10:39:38
I can confirm the problem with the chromium package.

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don@dibl-HP350:~$ sudo apt policy libchromaprint1
libchromaprint1:
  Installed: 1.5.0-1
  Candidate: 1.5.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 1.5.0-1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
don@dibl-HP350:~$ sudo apt install -s libchromaprint1
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libchromaprint1 is already the newest version (1.5.0-1).
libchromaprint1 set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.

If you want the chrome browser, I suggest you download SRWare Iron (https://www.srware.net/iron/). It is chromium, with all settings for maximum privacy. Use dpkg to install it.

P.S. This is the type of question that would be appropriate for the "Software" forum above.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/24, 11:27:10
Thanks for the recommendation! I will give it a spin.
There is a sense of  humour/sarcasm there: the default search in iron is done with bing... man... :-)
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: dibl on 2020/06/24, 17:19:31
Quote from: beje
...the default search in iron is done with bing ...

Right -- it took me 10 seconds to change it to StartPage.  :-)
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: piper on 2020/06/24, 17:33:03
I don't use chromium, but If you downgrade ffmpeg,  chromium does not complain

You don't have to exit x anymore for a du

A dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) is a must in sid, don't go any longer than 2 weeks (that is pushing it)

sid updates 4 times a day.

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apt update; apt full-upgrade -d -y
Welcome to siduction

Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/24, 18:11:11
chromium I use as a second browser and only to see how it renders some pages and for some secondary logins on some sites (I am lazy, I know, and this was the easiest solution at hand that works on most of the setups).
Now I have installed Iron which should do the job...

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Welcome to siduction

Thanks! is nice to be here and I plan to stay as each distro hopping / new setup is costing me time and nerves.
Now with me here, and my son upgraded to 20.04 Xubuntu I will not touch my desktops for a while. The home lab servers are humming anyway quietly on debian chewing whatever I am throwing at them... ;-)

An administrative/forum question: is the quote button broken, or I am using it wrongly? I have tried it from both Firefox and Iron.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: piper on 2020/06/24, 18:28:43
Yes, it is broken, there is a workaround iirc, this moment I just can't remember what it is (I am heavily medicated at the moment sorry) maybe someone else can chime in


Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: dibl on 2020/06/24, 21:21:06
Quote from: piper
.... this moment I just can't remember what it is ...

The quote button launches a script, which browsers block as "unsafe". Depending on which browser you're using, it might put a little indicator to the right of the URL address line, and if you click the indicator, it will let you turn off the block and the script can run.  I normally run chromium (SRWare Iron), and it does not let me do that, so I just type a left bracket, then "quote=" and the name of the poster, like "piper" and the right bracket, and then paste in the text to be quoted and use the closing quote brackets.  But I think Firefox gives you the little script-blocker indicator where you can stop the block and use the quote window.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/25, 11:42:36
Quote from: dibl
so I just type a left bracket, then "quote=" and the name of the poster, like "piper" and the right bracket

The simple quote without the original author I had managed, I just forgot this = username after quote in straight brackets...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: paco on 2020/06/25, 12:50:39
    @ piper: Hopefully not caused by "this simple and stupid influenza";-) Get well soon!

Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/06/25, 13:35:46
Likely a little more recreational than that maybe. ;D
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: paxmark2 on 2020/06/25, 20:08:23
The chromium one is probably
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=963601,  more written about on bug today than yesterday am.
I ran into it prior with similar error messages on my Debian standard sid  with sway on I386. 

The acer aspireone I bought used 9 years ago , I will have to discard, screen goes green at times, or purple, sometimes several times to start. the powerup, etc.  So I just plowed through.    I appreciate the info on SRware Iron. 

peace out.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: piper on 2020/06/26, 00:33:48
@paco
I had covid twice, I live in NY, but thats not my main problem :)

I have neurovascular dystrophy  (CRPS type II - Complex Regional Pain Syndrome) and RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis)

https://themighty.com/2016/11/life-with-rsdcrps-one-of-the-most-painful-conditions/?PageSpeed=noscript

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/reflex-sympathetic-dystrophy-syndrome/

shit happens




Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/06/26, 01:19:49
+1 with RA. I had a partial shoulder replacement about 4 years ago. Now waiting for a hip. Sometime after that I will likely be ready for the other shoulder and possibly a redo of the first shoulder. Throw in the knees and life can suck!!! At least I can tell you when it's going to rain.
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: piper on 2020/06/26, 02:10:38
I don't feel the RA anymore, I've had it for over 50 years


This is how I feel every second of everyday 24/7, there is no cure


(http://piper-sid.net/myshit/linux/images/thumb-pain.png) (http://piper-sid.net/myshit/linux/images/pain.png)


https://complextruths.org/mcgill-pain-index-where-is-crps-ranked-and-why/

https://rsds.org/anewfourletterword/

Edit:

@dibl  thanks for explaining what I couldn't ;)
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: beje on 2020/06/29, 10:30:28
huh, this took a different turn...sorry to hear @piper and @eriefischer
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: piper on 2020/07/01, 13:59:02
@beje

No worries man, shit happens, all is good, very, very hard to type, why I am not here or irc like I used to be, and being afraid to give advise because my brain can't handle simple things anymore because of the pain.

Rheumatoid arthritis is a chronic inflammatory disease that affects the joints, which can cause pain. What makes rheumatoid arthritis different from CRPS is that rheumatoid arthritis affects the joints, while CRPS affects an entire region of an extremity.

CRPS occurs when the nervous system and the immune system malfunction as they respond to tissue damage from trauma. The nerves misfire, sending constant pain signals to the brain. The level of pain is measured as one of the most severe on the planet.

Neurovascular dystrophy (crps) has spread to my whole left side, shoulder down to toes.
I am glad we have good people here that if I do give bad advise, they will cover my ass :) :P   yes, embarrassing, hurts more my pride, but lots of love and respect
Title: Re: Hi! Its pretty quiet here!
Post by: eriefisher on 2020/07/01, 15:38:58
I can't imagine what your going through Piper but knowing what I feel, especially on a bad day, I feel for you brother.