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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #15 on: 2015/01/06, 01:57:11 »
Problem solved
Well, aptitude helped me.  ::)
Yeah, aptitude helps in such situations :)
experiencing siduction runs better than my gentoo makes me know I know nothing

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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #16 on: 2015/01/18, 17:24:28 »
Is it possible that the packages in kdenext are built against libical1 which is not available anymore?
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #17 on: 2015/01/18, 17:55:12 »
yes
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #18 on: 2015/01/18, 18:35:45 »
So if I have the kdenext KDE version installed it is maybe better to put libical1 on hold? Or will there be a siduction fix?
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #19 on: 2015/01/18, 19:25:00 »
its a typical frankensidduction problem - one who runs a clean kdenext installation is not affected
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #20 on: 2015/01/18, 20:26:14 »
... and who runs a "clean" kdenext installation?
It is not that simple.
A more elaborate approach would be appreciated.  ;)
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #21 on: 2015/01/18, 20:50:52 »
Why shouldn't it be a clean kdenext installation? How comes it is not a clean kdenext installation? How can one get a "clean" kdenext installation at all? Of course I have kde packages installed from siduction fixes simply because they are needed but not available in kdenext (like kde-window-manager, kde-style-oxygen, kde-workspace-bin, etcpp). Those packages are not the problem. It's kdenext packages that would get removed, the kdenext packages won't accept libical1a (or vice-versa) if I would want to install it.

It is not the d-u that wants to remove the kdenext packages. The system is "happy" with the installed libical1, nothing is hold, nothing shall be removed, it's as if it doesn't know that there is a libical1a. I wouldn't have noticed that there might be a problem (i.e. a package that is installed but not available anymore) if I haven't read about in the forum. The kdenext packages would be removed if I would try to install the available libical1a manually. I don't, the d-u doesn't either.
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #22 on: 2015/01/18, 20:55:58 »
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apt-get install libical1a
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.       
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
  akonadi-kde-resource-googledata akregator backintime-kde baloo baloo-utils baloo4 kaddressbook kde-config-telepathy-accounts
  kde-plasma-desktop kde-telepathy kde-telepathy-auth-handler kde-telepathy-call-ui kde-telepathy-contact-list
  kde-telepathy-declarative kde-telepathy-desktop-applets kde-telepathy-filetransfer-handler kde-telepathy-integration-module
  kde-telepathy-kpeople kde-telepathy-minimal kde-telepathy-send-file kde-telepathy-text-ui kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
  kdebase-workspace-bin kdepim-runtime kdeplasma-addons kgpg kipi-plugins klinkstatus kmail konversation kopete kscreensaver
  kscreensaver-xsavers libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kcal4 libical1 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4
  libkcalutils4 libkdepim4 libkopete4 libkpeople3 libktnef4 libktpcommoninternalsprivate7 libktploggerprivate7 libktpmodelsprivate7
  libktpwidgetsprivate7 libmessagelist4 plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-runner-telepathy-contact
  plasma-runners-addons plasma-scriptengine-python plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace python-kde4
  siduction-art-ksplash-indiansummer siduction-art-ksplash-ridersonthestorm tellico
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  libical1a
0 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 63 zu entfernen und 1 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen 183 kB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 189 MB Plattenplatz freigegeben.
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apt-get dist-upgrade -d
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.       
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  linux-headers-3.18-3.towo-siduction-amd64 linux-image-3.18-3.towo-siduction-amd64
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  linux-headers-siduction-amd64 linux-image-siduction-amd64
2 aktualisiert, 2 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 1 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen 31,5 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 145 MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.

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apt-cache policy libical1
libical1:
  Installiert:           1.0-1.1
  Installationskandidat: 1.0-1.1
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 1.0-1.1 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #23 on: 2015/01/18, 21:03:40 »
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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libical1
libical1:
  Installed: 1.0-1.2
  Candidate: 1.0-1.2
Version table:
 *** 1.0-1.2 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #24 on: 2015/01/18, 21:23:17 »
Guess I wasn't fast enough to get libical1 1.0-1.2 before the package vanished...

It seems to be libkcal4 that depends on the wrong package...

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$ apt-cache depends libkcal4 | grep libical
  Hängt ab von: libical1
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apt-cache policy libkcal4
libkcal4:
  Installiert:           4:4.14.3-siduction1.0.1
  Installationskandidat: 4:4.14.3-siduction1.0.1
  Versionstabelle:
 *** 4:4.14.3-siduction1.0.1 0
        500 http://packages.siduction.org/kdenext/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     4:4.14.2-2+b1 0
        500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages

Also libkcalcore4... I went through all the packages that would get removed on libical1a installation and those two are the only packages with a dependency to libical1...

And I guess that's independent from a so called "clean" kdenext installation...

Maybe only 64bit is affected?
« Last Edit: 2015/01/18, 21:34:07 by spacepenguin »
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #25 on: 2015/01/18, 22:42:43 »
spacepenguin: apt-cache rdepends libical1a

:) - ich vermute, du hast neben KDE wie üblich noch weitere DEs installiert
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #26 on: 2015/01/18, 23:47:32 »
If I ask the Debian repos:
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# LANG=C apt-cache policy libical1
libical1:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

# LANG=C apt-cache search libical1
libical1a - iCalendar library implementation in C (runtime)

My repo lines:
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# Testing
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

# Unstable
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

# Experimental
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free

# base (amd64 / i386 )
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/base unstable main contrib non-free

# fixes ( amd64 / i386 )
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/fixes unstable main contrib non-free

# extra (amd4 / i386 )
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/extra unstable main contrib non-free

# user ( amd64 / i386 )
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/user unstable main contrib non-free

# kdenext (amd64 / i386)
deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/kdenext unstable main

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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #27 on: 2015/01/19, 00:10:35 »
spacepenguin: apt-cache rdepends libical1a

:) - ich vermute, du hast neben KDE wie üblich noch weitere DEs installiert

redepends: Komisch, auch da werden libkcal4 und libkcalcore4 aufgelistet - alle anderen gelisteten Pakete sind nicht installiert. Trotzdem soll libical1a nicht installiert werden und libical1a würde libkcal4 deinstallieren (und was da dran hängt).

b) Nein, auf meinem Arbeitssystem schon lange nicht mehr, da ich das hasse, dass die sich gegenseitig beeinflussen und nicht wie früher (Kaiser und so ;) ) komplett getrennt sind. Nur openbox, fluxbox, icewm - aber die Fenstermanager sehe ich nicht als DE an.
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Re: KDE SC 4.14.3 available in kdenext
« Reply #28 on: 2015/01/19, 00:56:22 »
genau darum gehts - Du hast da ein "sauberes" System:
redepends: Komisch, auch da werden libkcal4 und libkcalcore4 aufgelistet - alle anderen gelisteten Pakete sind nicht installiert

und genau die beiden Pakete werden auf dem "reinen" kdenext nicht aktualisiert, weil sie neuer sind als bei debian und keine weiteren Pakete da sind, die diese Abhängigkeit auch haben. der resolver stuft sie so hoch ein, dass keiner die anpacken würde. Das ist bei den anderen Systemen halt nicht so - oder der Resolver sieht das geringfügig anders. Und dann kommt es zu der Entsorgungsorgie, das ist wie beim Domino. Würdest Du jetzt das Paket installieren, dann würdest Du eine Kettenreaktion auslösen und recht viel Plattenplatz gewinnen.

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