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Offline piper

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #30 on: 2015/08/04, 01:32:17 »
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@piper: i think we communicate our position very clear - but every user is free to do what $user want to. Depending on the installed packages things could become worse or not - nobody knows. I for myself has decided to not care about and take the packages as they come in. And i have no backup. So who cares - one should take a choice and have to live with this choice afterwards. As we are all more or less  responsible adults i see no problem ...
I agree, choice is good and up to the user, I just don't encourage it due to not everyone can fix or afford to lose some things ;)

I have a 3-4 extra partitions with siduction running and doing du's to see when/if  this brings one  box to it's knee's, so far, all is good, I too don't have back-ups. who need stinkin backups :)

Happy du'ing ;)
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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #31 on: 2015/08/04, 05:05:47 »
So quick question, normally I du daily on my siduction boxes, however the last DU I did was back on the 25th.  I was out of town on work until the 2nd.  Would you recommend I still wait, or do an apt-get upgrade.  I never upgrade just dist-upgrade. 

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #32 on: 2015/08/04, 08:00:18 »
Of course we all here driving sid love to have all possible software in the newest available version, but do we really need it?
If there are are some tools you urgently need which are not working in the current version, but will do with an update, or an update brings features you can not do without, try to update those packages or try an upgrade/safe-upgrade.
But what is wrong on a reliable working machine to be in the state of mid July 2015, that is very current (see, people still run Win XP ;)). I merged to KF5 and did dist-upgrades recently in virtual machines and playboxes, but my main notebook has not seen dist-upgrades since plasma5 came in, some cherry-picked package updates only. And guess what - it is working fine. One drawback could be 'no security updates since ~ one month', but wait... are there security updates in Sid?

So still true: Question
... Would you recommend I still wait, or do an apt-get upgrade. ...

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there are four possible ways in such situations:
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1.   doing nothing (prefered)
2.1. apt update; apt upgrade
2.2  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs
3.   apt-get dist-upgrade (and lettings some packages go)

We suggest and prefer 1! If one choose a way that differ from (1) one should have a good backup and should be familar with restoring from backups. We will not support that, so you are on your own. But it may work without flaws.



« Last Edit: 2015/08/04, 08:04:08 by der_bud »
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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #33 on: 2015/08/04, 09:31:54 »
What part of "DO NOTHING NOW" is so hard to understand? Though I've only been using Siduction a short while and have made my mistakes in the past, one thing I have learned is to respect the guidance provided from the pro's.  Thanks to all that are doing everything possible now and in the past in making this the great distribution it is!!!  :)


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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #34 on: 2015/08/09, 05:12:32 »
FWIW, I was bored and decided to try a DU.  Around 115 packages updated.  Rebooted okay.  VLC works, and other things as well.  I'll continue with this to see how it goes.

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #35 on: 2015/08/09, 10:15:59 »
I'm up to 59 packages to remove now . . . .

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #36 on: 2015/08/09, 12:06:42 »
@jdhedden: Not sure if you miss a thing - a update will ever work, mostly the system works after. But there is i really big BUT. One example for today is audacious - it upgrades audacious-plugins and the new v5 lib - after that audacious segfaults. So the upgrade might work ok, but it can break things (and Murphy says: it will break things)

EDIT: i hope you use apt upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade, see the reason some posts ago
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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #37 on: 2015/08/09, 13:14:56 »
@melmake  Understood.  I do have a Clonezilla backup in case I have issues.   Also, I use the "upgrade-system" package for updates.


To all, I classify myself as having a "lean" system, so of course, you mileage may vary.

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #38 on: 2015/08/09, 22:25:31 »
If you look at all the affected packages down the left column of this page, and then look at the list of collisions at the bottom, you can get an idea of the size and scope of the job to make the complete transition.
Thank you for sharing this, dibl.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  ;)


@melmarker:  Thank you for sharing the guidance.

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #39 on: 2015/08/09, 22:32:09 »
148 updated, 2 newly installed, 199 to remove and 74 not updated.

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #40 on: 2015/08/10, 04:59:39 »
121 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 396 to remove and 86 not upgraded :)
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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #41 on: 2015/08/10, 12:12:45 »
Hello,

while KDE systems (without kdenext) suffer from heavy removals, the situation was much better on my cinnamon system this morning. When i realized that dist-upgrade only wants to remove some libs but no applications, i took a closer look at it (see http://paste.siduction.org/20150810095149.png ). I went through the whole list and found that every removed lib was covered by some *v5 replacement.  Overall statistics:
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286 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 17 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
So i tried a dist-upgrade and got a working cinnamon desktop for my very limited personal package selection.

Beware! This doesn't apply for KDE systems.

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #42 on: 2015/08/10, 14:53:28 »
I should try without kdenext ;)
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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #43 on: 2015/08/10, 15:00:23 »
Without kdenext, not really a difference

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Re: [URGENT] GCC 5 fallout incoming
« Reply #44 on: 2015/08/10, 15:49:42 »
The transition tracker is only showing 10% this morning.  Assuming a start on 1 AUG, that's one percent per day of progress.  A very rough metric, but it gives the idea of the magnitude -- it could be 100 days to complete.
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