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« Reply #15 on: 2013/08/30, 16:09:27 »
The only annoying effect of 4.11 for me is the slow and ugly start of the desktop after login. Before 4.11 the wallpaper was nicely blended in, now there's just black and the cursor, the the color of desktop - and then together with the start sound the desktop appears. The more desktops I have the longer the black stays. And it doesn't matter if I have the kwin effect for login enabled of not - no change.

Is there maybe something necessary missing, something which still is 4.8 instead of 4.11? Or something which needs to be uninstalled? E.g. libkwineffects1abi3 is still 4.8, as is libkwinglutils1, libkworkspace4abi1 and libkdecorations4 - phonon on 4.6 - does that matter?
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« Reply #16 on: 2013/08/30, 17:10:24 »
I had not noticed that, but today I watched two of my older systems after I logged in, and on one I did see the black screen and cursor for a few seconds before the panel and then the wallpaper appeared.  For example, here is an older laptop, running the nouveau video driver, that does not show your black screen at all:

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System:    Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.10-9.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.1)
           Desktop: KDE 4.11.00 (Qt 4.8.5) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)
Machine:   System: Dell product: Latitude E6500 serial: 7XFD1J1
           Mobo: Dell model: 0PP476 serial: .7XFD1J1.CN129619122714. Bios: Dell version: A14 date: 07/31/2009
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8600 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9575.84
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 2401.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G98M [Quadro NVS 160M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           X.org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 141x38 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:23:4e:ab:86:7a
           Card-2: Intel 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e ver: 2.3.2-k port: efe0 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:70:d4:d3:04
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (41.2% used) 1: model: OCZ_VERTEX
Info:      Processes: 160 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 575.5/3948.5MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.8.1
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.45) inxi: 1.9.14


I would guess that your system is very busy doing something immediately after you log in.

-- do you have a lot in ~/.kde/Autostart?

-- under ~/.config?

-- under /etc/rc.local?

Or, if your GPU is an older model with limitations, maybe the new kwin is pushing it harder than it can handle?
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« Reply #17 on: 2013/08/30, 17:25:26 »
I have this effect, too, on my system (see below) for about 1 or 2 seconds. I have conky installed and conky is appearing on and with this black background.

It shows not much activity, under 10% on one cpu, I would guess, and all other cpu's on low.

Only thing I have in autostart is conky.

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« Reply #18 on: 2013/08/30, 18:12:47 »
@ayla, if you put a "sleep 10" before the conky command in your startup script, you might find that the desktop appears faster, and before the conky appears.
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« Reply #19 on: 2013/08/30, 18:38:14 »
Hi dibl,

started conky with a script in autostart:

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#!/bin/bash

sleep 10
conky


No significant change. The black screen appears for about a second or a little more (of course now without conky which appears later then).

But I can live with that, I just wanted to give an information with my post above.

Of course I like to test a few things if it is wanted.

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« Reply #20 on: 2013/08/30, 18:44:35 »
Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.
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« Reply #21 on: 2013/08/30, 18:57:16 »
In folgender Datei eine Zeile mit einem Sleep versehen:
/usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
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Exec=sleep 10 && plasma-desktop

Leider wird kdm nicht mehr gewartet. Das neue sddm ist aber noch nicht fertig. Daher diese Unpässlichkeit ...
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« Reply #22 on: 2013/08/30, 19:01:18 »
Quote from: "spacepenguin"
Nothing in autostart, CPU usage is low, nvidia driver, happens with every user. The longest black is about 30 seconds which is my main user with 5 desktops with different widgets and wallpapers. With 4.10 it was fine.


It would be interesting to see how it performs with the nouveau driver, although changing video drivers is not my idea of a fun project.

I would suspect you are seeing the limits of your GPU.  I have a netbook with Intel Atom CPU and Intel GPU, and on that one KDE is too heavy -- desktop switching is slow, dolphin takes a long time to open, etc.  So I run LXDE with only 2 desktops on that one.
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« Reply #23 on: 2013/08/30, 23:30:50 »
I have similar experiences with that black screen. I guess it is related to the nvidia-drivers.Other boxes I haveinstalledwith kde and Xorg-drivers (AMD) donot seem to have that behaviour.

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« Reply #24 on: 2013/08/31, 00:33:46 »
I have seen the black screen also with just gkrellm showing.  I use the nouveau drivers, so it's not just the proprietary drivers.
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« Reply #25 on: 2013/08/31, 22:56:26 »
@dibl: Nouveau doesn't work correctly with my GPU, too much graphical glitches. And a dual core CPU and nvidia GF 8400 and 4 GB RAM should be sufficient for KDE 4.11...

@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
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« Reply #26 on: 2013/09/01, 13:13:06 »
Quote from: "spacepenguin"
@ralul: D.h. kdm ist der Schuldige? Würde erklären, warum das mit Kubuntu nicht passiert, da wird lightdm genutzt. Werde das mal mit dem sleep probieren.
Vielleicht haben die Ubuntu Maintainer dieses sleep irgendwo eingesetzt ...
Es geht um das ganze Session startup:
Es wird immer komplizierter je mehr KI in den DEs implementiert werden wird. Es gibt schon erste Versuche die SessionStart Sequenz automatisiert zu ordnen per systemd-user.
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« Reply #27 on: 2013/09/01, 15:15:37 »
Der sleep hat geholfen! Vielen Dank, ralul!

Bleibt das jetzt in der Datei - oder ist das nach irgendeinem Paketupdate wieder weg?
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« Reply #28 on: 2013/09/04, 19:05:14 »
Intermediate black screen is fixed for me with:

http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=3781

Thanks Santa!

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« Last Edit: 2013/11/10, 01:45:38 by ayla »
Kernel: 4.18.11-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64
Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.13.5
(mostly) kept current siduction "18.3.0 Patience"
HP EliteBook 8570p; MoBo: HP model: 17A7 v: KBC Version 42.35
Dual core  i5-3320M (-MT-MCP-)
Intel 3. Gen Graphics (Ivybridge) Driver:i915/ intel
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