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Offline fauser17

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kio-mtp and smartphones
« on: 2014/10/03, 10:41:20 »
Hello everybody,
First of all i am french so excuse my english if some mistakes.
I installed siduction kde 201312 and after i install kio-mtp (before updating the packages) and connect my ALCATEL POP S3 with an usb cable.
Everything works perfectly : I can see the internal memory of the phone and the SD card and copy, move, delete all the files from and to the phone. Very good.
After i did the upgrading (1171 packages!). I connect my phone and then a message saying that the mtp process died abruptly. No possibility to see the phone. I tried to come back with the old libmtp (9, run-time and common) but it does not work. I suppose there is one (may be more) packages upgraded that is faulty but which one ?
I will try reinstall and upgrade not one package after one but may be ten by ten (i am not in a hurry and have time to do it...).
Nevertheless if somebody have an answer to this it would be good.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #1 on: 2014/10/03, 19:20:03 »
My Samsung Nexus S (android 2.3) is connecting as well as it ever did, as a USB storage device -- it has always been a little shaky to hold the USB connection while transferring files with dolphin.  My 64-bit siduction KDE desktop is fully updated.  So I don't think it is a general problem for everyone.


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root@imerabox:/# apt-cache policy kio-mtp
kio-mtp:
  Installed: 0.75+git20140304-1
  Candidate: 0.75+git20140304-1
  Version table:
 *** 0.75+git20140304-1 0
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #2 on: 2014/10/03, 20:32:28 »
My sony xperia z also connects to my current siduction system/ dolphin using kio_mtp. As dibl said: a little shaky, sometimes I have to wait for minutes until I can open a folder...

I'm using airdroid insteed with no problems at all.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #3 on: 2014/10/03, 23:36:32 »
Thanks for your replies but it does not help. My system is 32 bits my android 4.3. May be i have to try 64 bits.
I have try SolydK (32 bits) and i have exactly the same problem.
Usb Mass Storage do not work properly with my phone i can't see my SD card. I have try Mint 17 Kde and it works well but packages are older, similar to those of siduction before the upgrade.
I am practicaly sure it is a package (i think one of kde) that causes problem when upgrading.
I continue searching.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #4 on: 2014/10/04, 04:26:29 »
Nexus 5 --> android "L"  and kitkat no problems, no lag.
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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #5 on: 2014/10/04, 09:53:33 »
Piper could you tell us what is your system : 32 or 64 bits ?
Ayia i had a glance around airdroid. Il looks like something interresting. I'll try it and let you know what i think about it.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #6 on: 2014/10/04, 14:51:43 »
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System:    Host: x1 Kernel: 3.16-3.towo.2-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE 4.14.1
           Distro: siduction 14.1.0 Paint It Black - kde - (201409142227)
Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: GA-970A-UD3 v: x.x Bios: Award v: F7 date: 10/22/2012
CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3500 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 1400 MHz 3: 1400 MHz 4: 1400 MHz 5: 1400 MHz 6: 3000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF106 [GeForce GTS 450]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1200@59.95hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 450/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 340.32
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF106 High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16-3.towo.2-siduction-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 90:2b:34:a5:99:2d
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 8001.6GB (17.5% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDS72202 size: 2000.4GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: ST3000DM001 size: 3000.6GB ID-3: /dev/sdc model: ST3000DM001 size: 3000.6GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 199G used: 44G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 28.0C mobo: 15.0C gpu: 34C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 1500 fan-2: 0 fan-3: 0 fan-5: 0                                                                         
Info:      Processes: 216 Uptime: 21 min Memory: 1096.4/7972.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.14


I dropped airdroid, went with droidoverwifi, much much better app IMHO
« Last Edit: 2014/10/04, 14:55:12 by piper »
I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #7 on: 2014/10/04, 16:06:14 »
I also cannot use my smartphone (Samsung Galaxy S3 mini) with MTP or PTP. The device is shown but I don't get access. Sometimes it did work but the files I copied always were corrupted.

So I use two other methods:

1. KDE-Connect (works only via WLAN): This is great! I love to see incoming SMS instantly in KDE even before I get the notification on the phone - and I can acces the phones internal storage space through dolphin. KDE-Connect needs to be installed on both devices.

2. ES File Explorer for Android with built in FTP Server (also requires WLAN): That's how I get my photos from my Samsung's SD card to my hardrive (via dolphin).
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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #8 on: 2014/10/04, 18:27:50 »
I dropped airdroid, went with droidoverwifi, much much better app IMHO

Thanks for that piper!  Somehow I had droidoverwifi installed on my phone, but had never tried it.  I just gave it a test run and I like it better than airdroid already.  Good tip!
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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #9 on: 2014/10/04, 18:33:12 »
yepp, it has a nice working surface.
I prefer airdroid because of the easy to use ssl connection only.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #10 on: 2014/10/05, 16:25:41 »
I've tried airdroid before, and I'll have to check out droidoverwifi. I just use pushbullet to get files back and forth from the computer to the phone.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #11 on: 2014/10/07, 10:36:33 »
Well nothing new around kio-mtp.
I have tried the 64 bits system with no more success. Just after installation everything works well but as soon as i dist-upgrade (fully with all the repos : base, kdenext, extras, user, fixes... with main contrib non-free where possible) it does not work anymore. First it is very painfull (around 1200 packages) some errors (i am obliged to fix-missing...). So without solution i give up and going to try the droid solutions.
For information i tried with a pure Debian sid it is exactly the same problem. I would have liked well knowing why . I have seen something about a Kde bug but not a real answer. It is not a very big problem because i use Mint 17 (working well) also and Windows (working of course since Mtp is Microsoft protocol)and Bodhi working more or less.
Thanks for responding and i continue quietly searching the Why.
So i don't close the posts if ever somebody can explain me something.

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #12 on: 2014/10/07, 13:06:37 »
First, I don't use dolphin, I use konqueror, which, IMHO is far more superior ;).

I also have konqueror setup as "default application"

systemsettings > default applications > file manager > konqueror (restart kde to take effect)

Not sure if this stuff matters or not, I use them and have them installed

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ibmtp-common - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) common files
libmtp-dbg - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) debugging symbols
libmtp-dev - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files
libmtp-doc - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library documentation
libmtp-runtime - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) runtime tools
libmtp9 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
mtp-tools - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools


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piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libmtp-common
libmtp-common:
  Installed: 1.1.8-1
  Candidate: 1.1.8-1
  Version table:
 *** 1.1.8-1 0
        500 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libmtp-runtime
libmtp-runtime:
  Installed: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Candidate: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1.1.8-1+b1 0
        500 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
       
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libmtp9
libmtp9:
  Installed: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Candidate: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1.1.8-1+b1 0
        500 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
       
piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy mtp-tools
mtp-tools:
  Installed: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Candidate: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Version table:
     1.1.8-1+b1 0
        500 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
       
  piper@x1:~$ apt-cache policy libmtp-dev
libmtp-dev:
  Installed: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Candidate: 1.1.8-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1.1.8-1+b1 0
        500 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status     
I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #13 on: 2014/10/07, 14:16:56 »
I try with a pure debian sid 32 bits, with all libmtp installed and also mtp-tools. Nothing change always the same message : the process died abruptly.. I don't think it depends of a siduction distro.
But can you precise which repos are activated , with or without contrib and non-free for as far as i remember it seems to me that after dist-upgrade just after installation doing nothing else my kio-mtp works perfectly.
But i say again after complete dist-upgrade with ALL the repos (base,extra,user,fixes,kdenext) and non-free and contrib activated my kio-mtp does not work anymore. I'am practically sure it's not dependant on Konqueror or Dolphin.
I've tried Air Droid on Wifi : Excellent! So I'll continue with it but i would like to know why my mtp does not work. Grr...!!

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Re: kio-mtp and smartphones
« Reply #14 on: 2014/10/08, 13:14:18 »
I use contrib and non-free, base,extra,user,fixes,kdenext ...

I don't have anything 32bit anymore

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Thanks for your replies but it does not help. My system is 32 bits my android 4.3. May be i have to try 64 bits.
I have try SolydK (32 bits) and i have exactly the same problem.
Usb Mass Storage do not work properly with my phone i can't see my SD card. I have try Mint 17 Kde and it works well but packages are older, similar to those of siduction before the upgrade.
I am practicaly sure it is a package (i think one of kde) that causes problem when upgrading.
I continue searching.

android 4.3.  ---    Usb Mass Storage

This is your problem

In modern phones,  usb mass storage is pretty much extinct since android 4.3


http://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/
 
I either give too many fucks or no fucks at all, it's like I cannot find a middle ground for a moderate fuck distribution, it's like what the fuck

Free speech isn't just fucking saying what you want to say, it's also hearing what you don't want to fucking hear