SOLVED (with workaround) Plasma vs. [s]kernel 4.19.12-towo.1[/s] systemd 240?

[dibl]

With the new kernel installed, my desktop system boots quickly to the sddm splash and hangs for awhile, then after 1 minute the cursor appears, then after 2 more minutes the plasma desktop appears, and everything works as expected.  I booted 2 times to verify this behavior and it is the same each time. This installation is on a SSD and normally boots very quickly to the plasma desktop.

I looked at ~.xsession-errors, but I don't see anything abnormal there (not that I would know what to look for ....).

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System:    Host: dibl-patience Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.14.3
           Distro: siduction 18.3.0 Patience - kde - (201805132121)
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING v: Rev 1.xx serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends
           v: 1401 date: 05/21/2018
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-7740X bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 8192 KiB
           Speed: 4111 MHz min/max: 800/4500 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 4111 2: 3608 3: 2331 4: 4220 5: 4080 6: 4376 7: 4254
           8: 1957
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] driver: nvidia v: 396.54
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 396.54
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 200 Series PCH HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP106 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Device-3: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64
Network:   Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           IF-ID-1: br0 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 2.27 TiB used: 916.85 GiB (39.4%)
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 500GB @ size: 465.76 GiB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD1003FZEX-00K3CA0 size: 931.51 GiB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Western Digital model: WD1003FZEX-00K3CA0 size: 931.51 GiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 58.81 GiB used: 9.89 GiB (16.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: /home size: 393.18 GiB used: 51.34 GiB (13.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 5.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 37 C
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 gpu: nvidia fan: 0%
Info:      Processes: 246 Uptime: 11m Memory: 31.33 GiB used: 1.89 GiB (6.0%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.29
Edit: On an HP laptop with entirely different hardware, the problem is the same.

On a Dell laptop with LXQt desktop, the problem does not exist.  So I conclude it is a problem with KDE/Plasma desktop only (I don't have a gnome or xfce desktop to test).

Edit #2:The problem is NOT the new kernel.  Seeing the report of problems with systemd-240, I booted an earlier kernel, and the problem remains the same.  So ... maybe I need to downgrade systemd and see if that is the problem.

[titan]

Same here hangs booting into Plasma but boots as normal into i3

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CPU: Quad Core AMD Ryzen 5 2400G with Radeon Vega Graphics (-MT MCP-) speed/min/max: 1420/1600/3600 MHz
Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 Up: 8m Mem: 1485.9/6968.0 MiB (21.3%) Storage: 1.34 TiB (19.3% used) Procs: 228
Shell: bash 4.4.23 inxi: 3.0.29

[hschn]

Hello
same here

System:    Host: siductionT430 Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
           v: 8.2.0 Console: tty 2 Distro: siduction 13.2.1 December - kde - (201401272125)
           base: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 2347G5U v: ThinkPad T430 serial: PBP05A8
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 2347G5U serial: 1ZSLY37C68V UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: G1ETB2WW (2.72 )
           date: 01/31/2017
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 34.3 Wh condition: 35.2/47.5 Wh (74%) model: LGC 45N1005 status: Unknown
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3320M bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9
           L2 cache: 3072 KiB
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 20751
           Speed: 1201 MHz min/max: 1200/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1197 2: 1197 3: 1197 4: 1197
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
           bus ID: 00:02.0
           Display: server: X.org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting tty: 109x25
           Message: Advanced graphics data unavailable in console for root.
Network:   Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 6080
           bus ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 28:d2:44:1a:92:fc
           Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: efa0
           bus ID: 03:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 6c:88:14:f8:a6:d8
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 689.33 GiB used: 381.94 GiB (55.4%)
Info:      Processes: 195 Uptime: 8m Memory: 7.48 GiB used: 1.37 GiB (18.3%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5
           Compilers: gcc: 8.2.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.23 inxi: 3.0.29

[Penyelam]

Here too

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System:    Host: sidThinkpad Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Console: tty 1
           Distro: siduction 18.2.0 Patience - kde - (201803072323)
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20AQ009CGE v: ThinkPad T440s serial: PC02XCHR
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 20AQ009CGE v: SDK0E50510 WIN serial: L1HF4AZ032Y UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: GJET86WW (2.36 )
           date: 12/04/2015
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 17.9 Wh condition: 17.9/23.2 Wh (77%)
           ID-2: BAT1 charge: 12.3 Wh condition: 16.9/23.2 Wh (73%)
CPU:       Dual Core: Intel Core i5-4210U type: MT MCP speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/2700 MHz
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
           Display: server: X.org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa tty: 176x31
           Message: Advanced graphics data unavailable in console for root.
Network:   Device-1: Intel Ethernet I218-V driver: e1000e
           Device-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 291.57 GiB (62.6%)
Info:      Processes: 206 Uptime: 22m Memory: 11.44 GiB used: 1.84 GiB (16.1%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Shell: bash
           inxi: 3.0.29


[piper]

https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7510.msg61185#msg61185

Perhaps 240 downgrade might help *some for now

[dibl]

Yep, that fixed the problem with plasma starting.  Thank you piper!

[DeepDayze]

Weird that this systemd 240 bug affects just KDE (and Java) as I booted into Fluxbox and it works fine there. Will test some java based apps to see if there's issues there.

[dibl]

LXQt is fast as ever.  It must not be a qt-related issue.

[DeepDayze]

Also what about other DE's like GNOME or XFCE? Anyone try these DE's to check if affected by systemd 240 issues?

[vayu]

Perhaps 240 downgrade might help *some for now

I have the same long time to KDE desktop problem.  The downgrade here solved it easily: https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=7510.msg61185#msg61185

Thank you, Piper and Pit. I wasn't in the mood to troubleshoot today.

[unklarer]

Also what about other DE's like GNOME or XFCE? Anyone try these DE's to check if affected by systemd 240 issues?

no problems here

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inxi -SIxxx
System:    Host: siduction Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.2.0
           Desktop: LXDE 0.9.3 info: lxpanel wm: Openbox 3.6.1 dm: SLiM 1.3.6
           Distro: siduction 12.1 Desperado - lxde - (201205212234) base: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Info:      Processes: 132 Uptime: 14m Memory: 3.75 GiB used: 282.2 MiB (7.3%) Init: systemd v: 240 runlevel: 5
           default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.2.0 alt: 4.7/4.8/4.9/5/6/7/8 Shell: bash v: 4.4.23
           running in: lxterminal inxi: 3.0.29

[jure]

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917173

[dibl]

Yep.  And we have the workaround, thanks to Pit, so I am marking this thread solved.

[hendrikL]

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917167#37

that workaround fixed it for my system, but best is to wait till it is fixed.

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inxi -SIxxx -c0
System:    Host: hhl Kernel: 4.19.12-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.2.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.14.3
           tk: Qt 5.11.2 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: siduction 18.3.0 Patience - kde - (201809172151)
           base: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Info:      Processes: 204 Uptime: 5m Memory: 7.60 GiB used: 1.36 GiB (18.0%) Init: systemd v: 240 runlevel: 5 Compilers:
           gcc: 8.2.0 alt: 7/8 Shell: bash v: 4.4.23 running in: yakuake inxi: 3.0.29


[seasons]

This is why I've made it a personal policy to never upgrade to the first release of a new systemd version (version-1). I'll wait for at least (version-2). I still think systemd should release to experimental first.