Update of 12-12-25 ruins the system?

alexsid · 2025/12/12, 08:37:15

Hi!
Todays update seems to remove xorg and ruin the system. Two attempts to install it via Discover or terminal sudo apt full-upgrade were unsuccessful. Had to restore from Timeshift.

charlyheinz · 2025/12/12, 09:21:01

Same here. Xorg will be removed. So will have to wait...

alexsid · 2025/12/12, 10:11:20

Quote from: charlyheinz on 2025/12/12, 09:21:01
Same here. Xorg will be removed. So will have to wait...

To wait for what? Will they fix it?

charlyheinz · 2025/12/12, 10:40:35

For shure. Main pakages like this will be fixed soon. You will not be the only one having this problem. As you can see in the output of your pakagemanager that the complet xorg installation is deprecated right now. Actuall I'm not sure which pakage is cosing the problem.
But how are you upgrading your system? You are not using a pakagemanager like Discover doing this job, or?

Better run apt / apt-get in a terminal upgrading your system!! (read the manuals )

While writing this post here in a terminal apt-get update /apt-egt dist-upgrade is running fine and system is upgrading ;-)

ro_sid · 2025/12/12, 11:33:23

Quote from: charlyheinz on 2025/12/12, 10:40:35
[...] Actuall I'm not sure which pakage is cosing the problem.
[...]
While writing this post here in a terminal apt-get update /apt-egt dist-upgrade is running fine and system is upgrading ;-)

I do assume the culprit is "xkb-data". [apt-get (dist-)upgrade does not

upgrade it (now).]

eriefisher · 2025/12/12, 12:59:22

I just dist-upgrade and xkb-data is being held back for some reason. If I try to manually upgrade it much of X11 will be removed. We'll have to wait for a solution. There seams to be a conflict.

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apt depends xkb-data
xkb-data
  Breaks: x11-xkb-utils (<< 7.7+5)

michaa7 · 2025/12/12, 13:15:36

Here apt does not upgrade xkb-data.

@ alexsid
Whatever is happening here, it's a reminder of what you get if you do not care about what apt is telling you in the "remove" section of it's output. And if discover hasn't shown packages to be removed you never ever should use it again.

BTW,

Quote... apt full-upgrade were unsuccessful

will never know what package you miss and repair your system.

Right thing to do would have been

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apt install xorg which most likely will give you an apt error due to missing dependencies, which packages in a second, third ... try you'll have to append to the install command until it succeeds.

darknetmatrix · 2025/12/12, 14:27:27

same here

, after rebooting i have a black screen tty1, already tried a dist-upgrade but no luck

alexsid · 2025/12/12, 14:30:06

Quote from: darknetmatrix on 2025/12/12, 14:27:27
same here , after rebooting i have a black screen tty1, already tried a dist-upgrade but no luck

My question is as follows:
Will and when this issue be fixed by Debian or Siduction team? Or shall we find an effor themselves and fix it personally?

ro_sid · 2025/12/12, 15:14:48

Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 14:30:06
[...]
My question is as follows:
Will and when this issue be fixed by Debian or Siduction team? Or shall we find an effor themselves and fix it personally?

Well, the Debian developers are not "retarded", and since even the xkb-utils(!) do not fit the xkb-data package, I expect for the problem to go away within the next 24 to 48 hours.
It would be madness for the Siduction community to try and handle such an extensive number of depending packages. The only thing I could imagine is, for them (@towo?) to provide an older fitting xkb-data package in the meantime for those which can not install(!) the X11-System right now. All others should just sit it out.
[If you are experienced enough, you may have a look at the stable (trixie) and/or testing (forky) xkb-data package - may be it suffices.]

alexsid · 2025/12/12, 15:19:49

Quote from: ro_sid on 2025/12/12, 15:14:48
Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 14:30:06
All others should just sit it out.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I will wait for the fix.

darknetmatrix · 2025/12/12, 15:28:26

Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 15:19:49
Quote from: ro_sid on 2025/12/12, 15:14:48
Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 14:30:06
All others should just sit it out.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I will wait for the fix.
Hopefully it will be resolved quickly. Will a standard apt-update && apt-full dist-upgrade suffice to get the system working again? I ask because I am new to rolling Debian Sid. I would be very disappointed if my system stopped responding now that everything is installed. Anyway, I now know that I don't have to follow discover to the letter in order to perform an update. Unfortunately, this had to go hand in hand with a system that is now unusable.

alexsid · 2025/12/12, 15:34:11

Quote from: darknetmatrix on 2025/12/12, 15:28:26
Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 15:19:49
Quote from: ro_sid on 2025/12/12, 15:14:48
Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 14:30:06
All others should just sit it out.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I will wait for the fix.
Hopefully it will be resolved quickly. Will a standard apt-update && apt-full dist-upgrade suffice to get the system working again? I ask because I am new to rolling Debian Sid. I would be very disappointed if my system stopped responding now that everything is installed. Anyway, I now know that I don't have to follow discover to the letter in order to perform an update. Unfortunately, this had to go hand in hand with a system that is now unusable.

I did sudo apt full-upgrade first. And got the issue. So it would be wise to wait for a day or two till the issue will be resolved.

michaa7 · 2025/12/12, 16:38:13

Quote from: alexsid on 2025/12/12, 15:34:11
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I did sudo apt full-upgrade first. And got the issue. ...

So why didn't you read the apt output where all packages to be removed got listed?

The same goes for you, darknetmatrix. As you are new to sid(uction), here one of the most important advices: read the apt output every time and never ever upgrade blindly. Never ever! Otherwise it's like crossing the street without looking at the trafic lights. And then, when you got hit, asking "why?" and "will it get fixed?".

ro_sid · 2025/12/12, 17:17:42

Quote from: darknetmatrix on 2025/12/12, 15:28:26
Hopefully it will be resolved quickly. Will a standard apt-update && apt-full dist-upgrade suffice to get the system working again? I ask because I am new to rolling Debian Sid. I would be very disappointed if my system stopped responding now that everything is installed. Anyway, I now know that I don't have to follow discover to the letter in order to perform an update. Unfortunately, this had to go hand in hand with a system that is now unusable.

As long as there are no extensive new removals

, you should just do the "full-/dist-upgrade". But since packages were removed previously, not all of them are guaranteed to come back automatically. You could follow @michaa7's advice to do an apt install xorg.
If you are really curious and willing to install some time, there is a file /var/log/apt/history.log which logs all apt activities, where you can read about the previous removals and then re-install any missing. It is often useful to install only "main programs" (first), not libraries or e.g. "-data" files or the like, since many of them are dependencies, which will be automatically installed also. Anyhow, you can "recover" any package previously removed, this way.