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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #45 on: 2014/10/30, 17:16:15 »
Ok, some clarification about libsystemd0 - for those who can read and think after reading a word with systemd in it:
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$ LANG=C aptitude show libsystemd0
Package: libsystemd0                     
New: yes
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Multi-Arch: same
Version: 215-5+b1
Priority: optional
Section: libs
Maintainer: Debian systemd Maintainers <pkg-systemd-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 208 k
PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.14),
            libgcrypt20 (>= 1.6.1),
            liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614),
            multiarch-support
Breaks: libsystemd0 (!= 215-5+b1)
Replaces: libsystemd0 (< 215-5+b1)
Description: systemd utility library
 The libsystemd0 library provides interfaces to various systemd components.
Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd

Tags: role::shared-lib
This library provide only well defined interfaces - eventually non-systemd components (replacements for systemd-components) can use this interfaces too - so every package with libsystemd0 as dependency is prepared for upcoming drop-in replacements. Really cool imho.
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #46 on: 2014/10/31, 19:54:59 »
Views of a professional sysadmin on systemd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-97qqUHwzGM


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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #47 on: 2014/11/03, 13:33:48 »
These are my last words on systemd here.  I've better things to do in the time I have left. And anyway the systemd controversy will not be settled here.

melmarker: great chunks of the OS will still be dependant on libsystemd0. The "really cool" bit you mention is like saying "From now on you'll live up to your neck in mud but, hey, we'll give you a sponge to keep your face clean".

devil: My doctor is a professional yet he misdiagnosed my complaint.It needed a professional who could see beyond the symptoms to reach the correct diagnosis. Citing the Pope doesn't make it right only that he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church.
 

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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #48 on: 2014/11/03, 21:32:23 »
ok, clubex - i'm maybe unkind and not polite, but you should first learn to read and understand. Don't give up, it will be hard. After that you're eventually allowed to complain about things. Before i forget:

1.) Please  try not to be particularly  funny, english isn't my mothers tongue, so i miss eventual the point.
2.) Please, don't write so much utter bullshit - it really hurts and someone might believe that you're right.

Thanks.
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #49 on: 2014/11/04, 11:14:17 »
@melmarker,
I suggest, that you - as "Global Moderator" - should apologize for your inappropriate wording.
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #50 on: 2014/11/04, 12:41:07 »
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@melmarker,
I suggest, that you - as "Global Moderator" - should apologize for your inappropriate wording.
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Am I missing something ?

Can you show me where the inappropriate wording is and why is it inappropriate wording  ?
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #51 on: 2014/11/04, 14:46:33 »
Don`t want to start a flamewar: but,
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don't write so much utter bullshit
, imho, is inappropriate.
@clubex has nowhere used such words in his posts.
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #52 on: 2014/11/04, 15:04:07 »
you will not start a flamewar - but if you think that calling bullshit bullshit is inapropriate - i can't help. I tried to clarify the usage of libsystemd0 some posts ago and the reaction was ...

(ok, i don't use the word again) - So what?
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #53 on: 2014/11/04, 21:18:22 »
http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_454 - Nice heads-up for the onging GR by Marco d'Itri
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #54 on: 2014/11/04, 22:44:39 »
...and a interesting talk by one of the debian-systemd-maintainers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvy0e9kbAos


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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #55 on: 2014/11/05, 03:19:40 »
Quote from: samoht
Don`t want to start a flamewar: but, Quotedon't write so much utter bullshit, imho, is inappropriate.
@clubex has nowhere used such words in his posts.
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Quote from: samoht
Don`t want to start a flamewar: but, Quotedon't write so much utter bullshit, imho, is inappropriate.
@clubex has nowhere used such words in his posts.
In German we have a popular saying:
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In English, and a few other languages,  we also have a popular saying

Shit Happens

To be honest, all I can say is Wow, Really !

wtf is this world coming to
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #57 on: 2014/11/10, 21:16:33 »
Sharing some info:

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/66014-systemd-fallout-joey-hess-quits-debian-project
I cannot see how the Debian Technical Comitee has done any harm by just saying the new release should not unconditionally default on systemD when upgrading an existing Debian sysV installation. There may have been other  problems he had with some people we don't know about.

I have heard there is a chance to break any historical Debian record how fast this coming release will possibly be. This the fallout of systemD ?
« Last Edit: 2014/11/10, 21:21:55 by ralul »
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Re: Debian users will still be able to use syvinit
« Reply #58 on: 2014/11/10, 23:52:37 »
Imho the CTTE has done harm to debian - esp. one member. One can see this different, but its my opinion. And the harm will get bigger with the ongoing GR - there will be "winners" and "loosers" - because of a dead simple question about a init system - serious?

The situation with systemd is far better than before - i can change the initsystem to what ever i wanted to - no one hinder me with things like sysvinit being an essential package - (an initsystem essential - wtf???) - today i setup a strato vserver (debian stable) with upstart and reiserfs - both not really my wished configuration, but works perfectly fine - my homeserver is stable with strong dependencies to sid - sysvinit. And if openrc evolve i'm thinking about to use it eventually for some machines. Why not, i have the choice. :)
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