Update of 12-12-25 ruins the system?

[eriefisher]

Is it safe to use Plasma-Discover

Not to upgrade regularly. Use the terminal and:

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apt update
apt dist-upgrade
Read what is going to happen before you answer y.

[ruebe99]

thanks for your fast reply but  isn't it more safer to run an
apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade
instead?
discover is running permanentely, providing  updates  and asking for a confirmation  to proceed.
my questions is: can discover kill my system
cheers

[eriefisher]

Yes, apt solver is definitely a great option. For me it's built in. If there is a bad package situation apt will tell me which one and hold back the package. You should have the same thing by default. If not use apt solver.

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apt dist-upgrade
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  libsimdutf27
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.

Upgrading:
  debhelper  libdebhelper-perl

Not upgrading:
  ffmpeg  xkb-data

Summary:
  Upgrading: 2, Installing: 0, Removing: 0, Not Upgrading: 2
  Download size: 1,035 kB
  Space needed: 7,168 B / 7,058 MB available


[darknetmatrix]

thanks for your fast reply but  isn't it more safer to run an
apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade
instead?
discover is running permanentely, providing  updates  and asking for a confirmation  to proceed.
my questions is: can discover kill my system
cheers

yes it can, that was the problem i had

[darknetmatrix]

Strange, what i don't understand is i just did a apt-distupgrade and discover says there are 22 updates?

[Teriarch]

It's not telling you what to update (these versions are already installed) but rather what to remove, if you proceed.

[titan]

I removed Discover a long time ago it may work with plasma desktop on stable OS but not reliable on sid

[eriefisher]

Those are a list of abandon packages. Especially that old kernel. I would make sure there is nothing on the list you absolutely need(likely not) then purge them. It says to use apt autoremove but you better off to use apt autopurge. This will get rid of any config file as well.

[michaa7]

... isn't it more safer to run an
apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade
...

No.

1) dist-upgrade and full-upgrade are exactly the same, one is just a link to the other (they are still both existing due to historical reasons)
2) --solver 3.0 is the default solver since a few weeks ago, so no need to select it manually

[solo]

Frage:
Ist apt update in diesem falle unbedenklich ?
Gruß solo

[thomv]

Frage:
Ist apt update in diesem falle unbedenklich ?

apt update alleine ist immer unbedenklich und notwendig, um überhaupt zu sehen, welche Aktualisierungen anstehen.

Die Entscheidung ob und was bzw. aktualisiert wird (apt upgrade oder apt full-upgrade) triffst du dann danach.

[solo]

Pause ?
< Fehl:2 https://siduction.office-vienna.at/fixes unstable InRelease
  Verbindung mit siduction.office-vienna.at:443 kann nicht aufgebaut werden (2a02:8384:205::1:51dc). - connect (101: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar)
Fehl:1 https://siduction.office-vienna.at/extra unstable InRelease
  Verbindung mit siduction.office-vienna.at:443 nicht möglich (85.125.193.22) - connect (111: Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt) Verbindung mit siduction.office-vienna.at:443 kann nicht aufgebaut werden (2a02:8384:205::1:51dc). - connect (101: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar)
  Verbindung mit siduction.office-vienna.at:443 kann nicht aufgebaut werden (2a02:8384:205::1:51dc). - connect (101: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar) >
Gruß solo

[seasons]

Pause ?

That looks like a completely different issue than the problem with xkb-data (which was what this thread was originally about): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1122650
You should probably start your own thread. Somehow, this thread turned into a general discussion of apt solvers, Discover, etc.

The bottom line is that folks either need to wait for that bug to be fixed, or, if they can't wait for some reason, they can probably cleanly upgrade everything but xkb-data. But I doubt Siduction devs are going to endorse "selectively" upgrading like that.

[dibl]

... they can probably cleanly upgrade everything but xkb-data.

Not "probably".

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# apt update && apt full-upgrade in run level 3, tty1, as I have done every day this month on four siduction systems, with no issues whatever.  xkb-data is not upgraded, as apt will tell you.

[seasons]

Not "probably".

Yeah, probably. Because things can change quickly in sid, like the libc issue I wrote about a couple days ago.