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Offline seasons

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #60 on: 2016/12/01, 04:18:52 »
When performing a normal dist-upgrade, you are prompted with something like "Do you want to continue?", which is sufficient for preventing something you don't want to happen.  You just enter "n" and press the <ENTER> key.

I know. When you talked about removing all of the xserver video packages on your desktop, I thought you accidentally or unknowingly said 'Y' to the prompt ( '--no-remove' would have prevented that).

But I guess you tried to cherry pick and got burned? I can't tell what exactly you did or why you have no GUI on your desktop.

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #61 on: 2016/12/01, 06:49:53 »
Yes, I cherry picked and got burned.  I don't think there is a prompt regarding automatic removals when you manually install an upgrade.  I manually upgraded xserver-xorg-core, resulting in the removal of all xserver-xorg-video-xxx packages, hence my current lack of a GUI.  I guess I could always pull from Testing, but I think I've done enough damage and so will sit and wait.

Edit:  apt history log or it didn't happen:
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Start-Date: 2016-11-24  17:47:13
Commandline: apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
Requested-By: xxx
Install: libxfont2:amd64 (1:2.0.1-2, automatic)
Upgrade: xserver-xorg-core:amd64 (2:1.18.4-2, 2:1.19.0-2)
Remove: xserver-xorg-input-all:amd64 (1:7.7+16), xserver-xorg-video-dummy:amd64 (1:0.3.7-1+b5), xserver-xorg-input-synaptics:amd64 (1.9.0-1), xserver-xorg:amd64 (1:7.7+16), xserver-xorg-video-r128:amd64 (6.10.1-2), xserver-xorg-video-qxl:amd64 (0.1.4-3+b1), xserver-xorg-video-vesa:amd64 (1:2.3.4-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:amd64 (1:1.0.13-1), xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu:amd64 (1.2.0-1), xserver-xorg-video-cirrus:amd64 (1:1.5.3-1+b1), xserver-xorg-input-void:amd64 (1:1.4.1-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-trident:amd64 (1:1.3.7-2), xserver-xorg-video-fbdev:amd64 (1:0.4.4-1+b4), xserver-xorg-input-libinput:amd64 (0.22.0-1), xserver-xorg-video-savage:amd64 (1:2.3.8-2), xserver-xorg-input-wacom:amd64 (0.33.0-1), xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse:amd64 (1:13.1.0-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-mach64:amd64 (6.9.5-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-sisusb:amd64 (1:0.9.6-2+b4), xserver-xorg-video-intel:amd64 (2:2.99.917+git20161105-1), xserver-xorg-video-tdfx:amd64 (1:1.4.6-2), xserver-xorg-video-vmware:amd64 (1:13.2.1-1), xserver-xorg-input-evdev:amd64 (1:2.10.4-1), xserver-xorg-video-all:amd64 (1:7.7+16), xserver-xorg-video-ati:amd64 (1:7.8.0-1), xorg:amd64 (1:7.7+16), xpra:amd64 (0.17.6+dfsg-1), xserver-xorg-video-radeon:amd64 (1:7.8.0-1), xserver-xorg-video-neomagic:amd64 (1:1.2.9-1+b1), xserver-xorg-input-mouse:amd64 (1:1.9.2-1), xserver-xorg-video-mga:amd64 (1:1.6.4-2)
End-Date: 2016-11-24  17:47:50
« Last Edit: 2016/12/01, 07:02:12 by KrunchTime »

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #62 on: 2016/12/01, 12:03:30 »
Quote from: KrunchTime
.... hence my current lack of a GUI.


Inasmuch as my three (very different hardware) siduction systems have been updated and running trouble-free for two or three days, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that your GUI problem may not be directly related to an ongoing transition in the X11 realm. You might want to examine the dependency and version relationships between your xserver packages that are fighting each other, with only the sid repo enabled -- or maybe just rip out all X11 packages and reinstall them from sid.


Here on an Intel GPU:


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root@hp-350g:/# apt policy xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg:
  Installed: 1:7.7+18
  Candidate: 1:7.7+18
  Version table:
 *** 1:7.7+18 500
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
xserver-xorg-core:
  Installed: 2:1.19.0-2
  Candidate: 2:1.19.0-2
  Version table:
 *** 2:1.19.0-2 500
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
xserver-xorg-video-intel:
  Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1+b1
  Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1+b1 500
        500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
« Last Edit: 2016/12/01, 12:16:11 by dibl »
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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #63 on: 2016/12/01, 12:39:01 »
Dibl,


I would confirm your verdict and see you sitting on a quite comfortable branch there. :)

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #64 on: 2016/12/01, 23:54:51 »
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apt upgrade --with-new-pkgs
Is the better choice than using

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apt-get install --no-remove pkgname
Packages that want to be removed will be held back until safe to du again.

Or, KISS  just wait it out ...
 
I haven't used  apt-get, apt- anything in like forever  :)
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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #65 on: 2016/12/02, 01:26:03 »
@dibl:  I only upgraded xserver-xorg-core, and that resulted in most/all of the xserver-xorg-video-xxx packages being removed.  After rebooting, I'm getting errors that Light Display Manager will not start and to reference a systemd log (can't remember name).  In any case, since most/all of the xserver-xorg-video-xxx packages were removed, I'm fairly confident that is the issue.


I did uninstall, and attempted to re-install, xserver-xorg-core, but no xserver-xorg-video-xxx packages were being brought in with it.


@piper:  I've not seen the use of just apt to install or update a system.  I'll have to check into the difference between that and apt-get.  I've always used apt-get when using Debian Unstable and aptitude when using Debian Stable.
« Last Edit: 2016/12/02, 08:54:54 by KrunchTime »

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #66 on: 2016/12/02, 02:26:36 »
one should really get familar with apt - the advantage in apt is that nobody has to type apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs anymore - a) typing so much sucks a lot b) the chance is high that one forget about the new packages part because one otherwise would use dist-upgrade. And missing new packages within an upgrade is a not so clever move 8)
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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #67 on: 2016/12/02, 08:53:40 »
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apt upgrade --with-new-pkgs
Is the better choice than using

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apt-get install --no-remove pkgname
Packages that want to be removed will be held back until safe to du again.

Or, KISS  just wait it out ...
 
I haven't used  apt-get, apt- anything in like forever  :)
I'm not seeing the --with-new-pkgs option for apt.  I've played around with apt this morning...interesting.  I like the coloring of text and the status indicators.  However, based on some research I did prior to using it, some say that it doesn't always handle dependency issues well.


one should really get familar with apt - the advantage in apt is that nobody has to type apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs anymore - a) typing so much sucks a lot b) the chance is high that one forget about the new packages part because one otherwise would use dist-upgrade. And missing new packages within an upgrade is a not so clever move 8)
Never knew about the --with-new-pkgs option...face plant...so much to learn.


Well, the reason I came here is to report that I now have GUI again on Unstable on my desktop.  After researching the packages that were removed, I realized that re-installing xserver-xorg would bring in all of the xserver-xorg-video-xxx packages.  However, it didn't bring in all of the xserver-xorg-input-xxx packages that were automatically removed previously, so I manually installed the missing ones.  Tap-to-click working again on my Logitech T650 touchpad.  ;D
« Last Edit: 2016/12/02, 09:00:42 by KrunchTime »

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #68 on: 2016/12/03, 00:27:08 »
sid can and will be hard some times - esp. before or within transitions and/or near freezes - have a look at the state of Qt - in sid is a snapshot to met the date of the transition freeze - the finished Qt will be in when it is released, but without transition - so the chance is high that there can and will be regressions in such situations - so there is a lot to learn and to practice for all of us.

The only difference might be the impact of false or not so clever moves - depending on the knowledge. But it is true that some knowledge and constant practicing might helps a lot. What leads to a new install some years ago is now a "Oh fine - something not  to boring to play with ..."
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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #69 on: 2016/12/04, 06:14:09 »
Big thank you to devil for the initial warning, to towo for the iptables workaround, and to piper and melmarker for enlightening me about apt.

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #70 on: 2016/12/09, 09:43:15 »
Here the xorg-nvidia-legacy packages want to be removed:

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Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
  iptables nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-340xx xserver-xorg-video-sisusb

Can I reinstall the packages after an du like the package iptables (thank's towo) or do they not work or must I wait some other days?
« Last Edit: 2016/12/09, 10:21:03 by harley-peter »

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #71 on: 2016/12/09, 09:59:25 »
This has been resolved more than a week ago.
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apt install iptables libxtables12 libxtables11-xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse is not in the repo anymore, Intel driver is not necessary anymore in debian.

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #72 on: 2016/12/09, 10:23:41 »
Hi devil,
the iptables package is not the problem but nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-340xx and maybe xserver-xorg-video-sisusb

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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #73 on: 2016/12/09, 10:43:32 »
Have a look at the transition site of xserver. Is this answering your question? No, it will not work to let it go and try to reinstall.
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Re: Warnig: No dist-upgrade
« Reply #74 on: 2016/12/09, 10:46:04 »
Looking at
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apt shpw xserver-xorg-video-sisusb would have told you that you most probably don't need that. About the Nvidia stuff I have no clue, I resorted to intel-only graphic chips a couple years ago and gave up following the closed source stuff.